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Hi,

I'm having a ALPS GlidePoint touchpad on my HP Compaq Presario A920EE
notebook. I've installed FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE (amd64) and Gentoo Linux (amd64) on
it. In Xorg running in Gentoo Linux, I'm able to use scrolling
functionality of touchpad in Xorg in Gentoo, but not in Xorg in
FreeBSD. Tapping works fine.

Follwoing is my xorg.conf:

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Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "X.org Configured"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Touchpad0" "CorePointer"
# InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/local/share/X11/rgb"
ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/local/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/bitstream-vera/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "GLcore"
Load "dbe"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "glx"
Load "record"
Load "xtrap"
Load "freetype"
Load "type1"
Load "synaptics"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option "AllowEmptyInput"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Touchpad0"
Driver "synaptics"

Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
Option "Protocol" "alps"
Option "SHMConfig" "on"
Option "LeftEdge" "130"
Option "RightEdge" "840"
Option "TopEdge" "130"
Option "BottomEdge" "640"
Option "FingerLow" "7"
Option "FingerHigh" "8"
Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
Option "MinTapTime" "110"
Option "ClickTime" "0"
Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75"
Option "VertScrollDelta" "20"
Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20"
Option "MinSpeed" "0.40"
Option "MaxSpeed" "0.65"
Option "AccelFactor" "0.030"
Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "200"
Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "200"
Option "UpDownScrolling" "1"
Option "CircularScrolling" "1"
Option "CircScrollDelta" "0.1"
Option "CircScrollTrigger" "3"
Option "VertEdgeScroll" "on"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Monitor Vendor"
ModelName "Monitor Model"
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False",
### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "ShadowFB" # []
#Option "DefaultRefresh" # []
#Option "ModeSetClearScreen" # []
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "intel"
VendorName "Intel Corporation"
BoardName "Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 1
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 4
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 8
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 15
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 16
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport 0 0
Depth 24
Virtual 2880 900
EndSubSection
EndSection
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Any ideas what should I do to get scrolling + tapping working fine in
Xorg in FreeBSD ?

TIA
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:39:55 +0530, Ashish Shukla आशीष श

> Any ideas what should I do to get scrolling + tapping working fine in
> Xorg in FreeBSD ?

I'm about 5 months too late to help this poster but I'll stick an answer
here anyway just in case a search engine leads someone here. The
scribblings below are from my system notes. If you don't have a
Synaptics, you'll need to make appropriate substitutions.

Here are my notes:

-----------------------------------------------------------

I finally got the touchpad to work in X11. It turns out you have to
disable moused, which means the mouse won't work in a console
terminal. That's OK because I do most of my work in xterms
anyway.

Doing just steps 1 and 2 gave me a working pointer both at the console
and in X. However, in X the mouse buttonclick events would "stick" in
the down position for about a half second before releasing. This caused
all kinds of odd problems, for example clicking on a scrollbar would
result in about 10 page-downs.

The steps:

1 - Add a hint to /boot/loader.conf
2 - Edit /sys/dev/atkbdc.psm.c and recompile the kernel
3 - disable the moused driver in /etc/rc.conf
4 - add a hint to /boot/device.hints
5 - Generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if it doesn't already exist)
6 - Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
7 - Install the X11 synaptic drivers.
8 - Reboot

------------------------------------------------------------
1 - Add a hint to /boot/loader.conf
------------------------------------------------------------

1) Add the following to /boot/loader.conf:
hw.psm.synaptics_support="1"

NOTE THAT that's "synaptics_support", not "synaptics.support"!

Your system may not boot if you mess up loader.conf, so back it up
before making any changes and make sure you have a repair disc handy!
See "man loader.conf" if you have any questions about this file.

------------------------------------------------------------
2 - Edit /sys/dev/atkbdc.psm.c and recompile the kernel
------------------------------------------------------------

Edit /sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c. (Don't forget to back it up first!)

This first change is optional. All it does is turn off tap-to-click
by default. You can get the same effect from the command line using
"sysctl psm.tap_timeout=0". Conversely, you can re-enable tap-to-click
after this change using "sysctl psm.tap_timeout=125000" (or whatever
else you want to set it to).

#ifndef PSM_TAP_TIMEOUT
#define PSM_TAP_TIMEOUT 125000
#endif

Now the critical change: farther down, move the synaptics entry to the
top of the list as shown here:

} vendortype[] = {
/*
* WARNING: the order of probe is very important. Don't mess it
* unless you know what you are doing.
*/
{ MOUSE_MODEL_SYNAPTICS, /* Synaptics Touchpad */
0xc0, MOUSE_SYNAPTICS_PACKETSIZE, enable_synaptics, },
{ MOUSE_MODEL_NET, /* Genius NetMouse */
0x08, MOUSE_PS2INTELLI_PACKETSIZE, enable_gmouse, },
{ MOUSE_MODEL_NETSCROLL, /* Genius NetScroll */
0xc8, 6, enable_groller, },
{ MOUSE_MODEL_MOUSEMANPLUS, /* Logitech MouseMan+ */
0x08, MOUSE_PS2_PACKETSIZE, enable_mmanplus, },
{ MOUSE_MODEL_EXPLORER, /* Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer */
(etc.)

Then recompile and reboot. Dmesg should show something like:
psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0

The touchpad should now be working, and if you set PSM_TAP_TIMEOUT to 0
then that pesky tap-to-click should now be disabled. You can enable
3-button emulation by adding 'moused_flags="-3"' to /etc/rc.conf.

Running sysctl -a now shows the following. The first two lines were
there before, but the hw.psm.synaptics lines only showed up after I
got the touchpad to be recognized:

hw.psm.tap_timeout: 0
hw.psm.tap_threshold: 25
hw.psm.synaptics.directional_scrolls: 1
hw.psm.synaptics.low_speed_threshold: 20
hw.psm.synaptics.min_movement: 2
hw.psm.synaptics.squelch_level: 3

------------------------------------------------------------
3 - disable the moused driver in /etc/rc.conf
------------------------------------------------------------

Edit /etc/rc.conf. Add or edit to DISABLE the moused driver:

moused_enable="NO"

NOTE: This will disable the toucpad at the console but is necessary to
make it work in X. I can have one or the other but I've not found a way
to have it both ways.

------------------------------------------------------------
4 - add a hint to /boot/device.hints
------------------------------------------------------------

Add the following line to /boot/device.hints:

hint.psm.0.flags="0x1000"

NOTE: I'm not sure this is necessary. It's there from earlier
experiments and once the touchpad was working I was loath to change
anything.

------------------------------------------------------------
5 - Generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if it doesn't already exist)
------------------------------------------------------------

DO NOT DO THIS STEP IF YOU ALREADY HAVE /etc/X11/xorg.conf!!!

There is no longer a default xorg.conf. Apparently xorg installs and
runs without it, probably defaulting to vesa video drivers,etc. This is
how you generate your first xorg.conf as a starting point.

To generate an xorg.conf, log on as root and:

cd /root
xorg -configure

To test it:

xorg -config xorg.conf.new

This just does a basic X screen and lets you check to see if the mouse
is working. The only way out is to hit control-alt-backspace.

If this works, then:

cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf


------------------------------------------------------------
6 - Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
------------------------------------------------------------

A) Comment out the Mouse0 line and add the Synaptics line:

#InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "SynapticsTouchpad" "CorePointer"

B) Under "Section Module", add:

Load "synaptics"

C) Comment out the entire block for the Mouse0 Inputdevice:

#Section "InputDevice"
# Identifier "Mouse0"
# Driver "mouse"
# Option "Protocol" "auto"
# Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse"
# Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
# Option "SHMConfig" "on"
# Option "MaxTapTime" "0"
#EndSection

D) Create a new block for the touchpad. The string after "Identifier"
must *exactly* match the string used after InputDevice in step A:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "SynapticsTouchpad"
Driver "synaptics"
Option "CorePointer"
# Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
Option "Protocol" "psm"
# Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0"
Option "SHMConfig" "1"
EndSection

NOTE: SendCoreEvents is only needed if you have more than one pointing
device. See "man xorg.conf" for details on handling multiple pointer
devices.

------------------------------------------------------------
7 - Install the X11 synaptic drivers.
------------------------------------------------------------

cd /usr/ports/x11-drivers/synaptics
make install
cd /usr/ports/x11/gsynaptic
make install

------------------------------------------------------------
8 - Reboot
------------------------------------------------------------

It should all work now. If there are problems, you might want to disable
gdm and set up a .xinit in the user's directory to make troubleshooting
easier. If no .xinit exists, just create one and put one line in it:

/usr/local/bin/gnome-session

To start gnome, just run startx now. If the mouse hangs, get out with
control-alt-backspace.

To see what kind of events the mouse is generating, run xev in a
terminal and click on the test box. Look especially for the button event
"sticking". That is, if you press and instantly release the button, xev
should instantly list both events. If there's about a half-second pause
before it lists the button-up event then chances are you left moused
enabled in /etc/rc.conf.

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over the hill writes:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:39:55 +0530, Ashish Shukla आशीष श

>> Any ideas what should I do to get scrolling + tapping working fine in
>> Xorg in FreeBSD ?

> I'm about 5 months too late to help this poster but I'll stick an answer
> here anyway just in case a search engine leads someone here. The
> scribblings below are from my system notes. If you don't have a
> Synaptics, you'll need to make appropriate substitutions.

Thanks for posting this. I'll be back on my FreeBSD box in 4-5 hours,
and then I'll try this and report success . BtW, I'm running
8.0-CURRENT these days.

Ashish
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In , over the hill wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:39:55 +0530, Ashish Shukla आशीष श
>
>> Any ideas what should I do to get scrolling + tapping working fine in
>> Xorg in FreeBSD ?
>
>I'm about 5 months too late to help this poster but I'll stick an answer
>here anyway just in case a search engine leads someone here. The
>scribblings below are from my system notes. If you don't have a
>Synaptics, you'll need to make appropriate substitutions.

[...]

>D) Create a new block for the touchpad. The string after "Identifier"
> must *exactly* match the string used after InputDevice in step A:
>
>Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "SynapticsTouchpad"
> Driver "synaptics"
> Option "CorePointer"
># Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
> Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
> Option "Protocol" "psm"

Above line should read:
Option "Protocol" "alps"

for ALPS GlidePoint touchpads.

The tapping works partially fine. i.e. I can't get right-button-click from a tap
on bottom-right corner. And nor, I've any scrolling with Touchpad.

Any ideas how to get these ?

Thanks in advance.

Ashish
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On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:03:06 +0530, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla wrote:

> In , over the hill
> wrote:
>>On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:39:55 +0530, Ashish Shukla आशीष श
>>
>>> Any ideas what should I do to get scrolling + tapping working fine in
>>> Xorg in FreeBSD ?
>>
>>I'm about 5 months too late to help this poster but I'll stick an answer
>>here anyway just in case a search engine leads someone here. The
>>scribblings below are from my system notes. If you don't have a
>>Synaptics, you'll need to make appropriate substitutions.
>
> [...]
>
>>D) Create a new block for the touchpad. The string after "Identifier"
>> must *exactly* match the string used after InputDevice in step A:
>>
>>Section "InputDevice"
>> Identifier "SynapticsTouchpad"
>> Driver "synaptics"
>> Option "CorePointer"
>># Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
>> Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
>> Option "Protocol" "psm"
>
> Above line should read:
> Option "Protocol" "alps"
>
> for ALPS GlidePoint touchpads.

And I assume the Driver line is "alps", too?

> The tapping works partially fine. i.e. I can't get right-button-click
> from a tap on bottom-right corner. And nor, I've any scrolling with
> Touchpad.

Does dmesg show that you have an Alps now, or is it still just listing
it as a mouse? Here's what dmesg shows for my synaptics:

psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
psm0: [ITHREAD]
psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0

It may also be helpful to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if X is
seeing it as a touchpad (and as the correct one). Mine shows:

(==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
(**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
(**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
(**) | |-->Device "Card0"
(**) |-->Input Device "SynapticsTouchpad"
(**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
(**) Option "AllowEmptyInput"
(=

and then later:

(II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.6 (1406)
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
(**) Option "SHMConfig" "1"
(--) SynapticsTouchpad synaptics touchpad found
(--) Synaptics Touchpad, model: 0
(--) Firmware: 5.9
(--) Sensor: 35
(--) new absolute packet format
(--) Touchpad has extended capability bits
(--) -> multifinger detection
(--) -> palm detection
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) SynapticsTouchpad: always reports core events
(**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
(**) Keyboard0: always reports core events
(**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
(etc.)


> Any ideas how to get these ?

I don't use them myself but I've played with them in the distant past
and it was just a matter of adding the magic phrases to xorg.conf. On my
system, "man synaptics" has a list of things you can put in xorg.conf. I
don't know if you'll have that manpage for the alps or how thorough it
might be. You can find the synaptics manpage online at:



("sektion"? Don't these FreeBSD guys know how to spell? )

I don't know how this affects your alps, but with my synaptics I'm
having a problem where every kernel recompile resets the touchpad to
minimal sensitivity. The symptom is that the pointer only moves
intermittently, and things improve very slightly if you apply more
pressure. If that happens, I add the following two lines to my synaptics
section in xorg.conf and restart X:

Option "FingerLow" "25"
Option "FingerHigh" "30"

That usually gets the touchpad working well enough to get into
gsynaptics. After that I comment out the lines again because they'll
keep resetting the touchpad sensitivity to the above settings no matter
what you set them to with an X touchpad utility. If there's no alps
equivalent of gysnaptics, I'd just work out some good values and leave
them in.

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over the hill writes:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:03:06 +0530, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla wrote:

[...]

>>> Section "InputDevice"
>>> Identifier "SynapticsTouchpad"
>>> Driver "synaptics"
>>> Option "CorePointer"
>>> # Option "SendCoreEvents" "true"
>>> Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
>>> Option "Protocol" "psm"
>>
>> Above line should read:
>> Option "Protocol" "alps"
>>
>> for ALPS GlidePoint touchpads.

> And I assume the Driver line is "alps", too?

Nop, synaptics is the driver for Alps touchpads also.

>> The tapping works partially fine. i.e. I can't get right-button-click
>> from a tap on bottom-right corner. And nor, I've any scrolling with
>> Touchpad.

> Does dmesg show that you have an Alps now, or is it still just listing
> it as a mouse? Here's what dmesg shows for my synaptics:

> psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0
> psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
> psm0: [ITHREAD]
> psm0: model Synaptics Touchpad, device ID 0

,----
| psm0: flags 0x1000 irq 12 on atkbdc0
| psm0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
| psm0: [ITHREAD]
| psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0
`----

> It may also be helpful to examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if X is
> seeing it as a touchpad (and as the correct one). Mine shows:

> (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
> (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
> (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
> (**) | |-->Device "Card0"
> (**) |-->Input Device "SynapticsTouchpad"
> (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
> (**) Option "AllowEmptyInput"
> (=

,----
| (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured"
| (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
| (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
| (**) | |-->Device "Card0"
| (**) |-->Input Device "AlpsTouchpad"
| (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
| (**) Option "AIGLX" "true"
| (**) Option "AllowEmptyInput"
| (==) Automatically adding devices
`----

> and then later:

> (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.6 (1406)
> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
> (**) Option "SHMConfig" "1"
> (--) SynapticsTouchpad synaptics touchpad found
> (--) Synaptics Touchpad, model: 0
> (--) Firmware: 5.9
> (--) Sensor: 35
> (--) new absolute packet format
> (--) Touchpad has extended capability bits
> (--) -> multifinger detection
> (--) -> palm detection
> (**) Option "CorePointer"
> (**) SynapticsTouchpad: always reports core events
> (**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
> (**) Keyboard0: always reports core events
> (**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
> (etc.)

,----
| (II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.6 (1406)
| (**) Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
| (**) Option "SHMConfig" "true"
| (**) Option "LeftEdge" "130"
| (**) Option "RightEdge" "840"
| (**) Option "TopEdge" "130"
| (**) Option "BottomEdge" "640"
| (**) Option "FingerLow" "7"
| (**) Option "FingerHigh" "8"
| (**) Option "MaxTapTime" "180"
| (**) Option "ClickTime" "0"
| (**) Option "EmulateMidButtonTime" "75"
| (**) Option "VertScrollDelta" "20"
| (**) Option "HorizScrollDelta" "20"
| (**) Option "VertEdgeScroll" "on"
| (**) Option "HorizEdgeScroll" "on"
| (**) Option "EdgeMotionMinSpeed" "200"
| (**) Option "EdgeMotionMaxSpeed" "200"
| (**) Option "UpDownScrolling" "1"
| (**) Option "TouchpadOff" "0"
| (**) Option "CircularScrolling" "1"
| (**) Option "CircScrollTrigger" "3"
| (**) Option "CorePointer"
| (**) AlpsTouchpad: always reports core events
|
| [...]
|
| (II) evaluating device (AlpsTouchpad)
| (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AlpsTouchpad" (type: MOUSE)
| Synaptics DeviceInit called
| SynapticsCtrl called.
| Synaptics DeviceOn called
| (WW) fcntl(10, O_ASYNC): Inappropriate ioctl for device
| (II) LoadModule: "mouse"
| (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
| (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
| compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.2.3
| Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
| ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.0
| (**) PS/2 Mouse: Device: "/dev/psm0"
| (==) PS/2 Mouse: Protocol: "Auto"
| (**) PS/2 Mouse: always reports core events
| (**) Option "Device" "/dev/psm0"
| (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psm0
| Device busy.
| (EE) PS/2 Mouse: cannot open input device
| (EE) PreInit failed for input device "PS/2 Mouse"
| (II) UnloadModule: "mouse"
| SynapticsCtrl called.
`----

>> Any ideas how to get these ?

> I don't use them myself but I've played with them in the distant past
> and it was just a matter of adding the magic phrases to xorg.conf. On my
> system, "man synaptics" has a list of things you can put in xorg.conf. I
> don't know if you'll have that manpage for the alps or how thorough it
> might be. You can find the synaptics manpage online at:

>

> ("sektion"? Don't these FreeBSD guys know how to spell? )

> I don't know how this affects your alps, but with my synaptics I'm
> having a problem where every kernel recompile resets the touchpad to
> minimal sensitivity. The symptom is that the pointer only moves
> intermittently, and things improve very slightly if you apply more
> pressure. If that happens, I add the following two lines to my synaptics
> section in xorg.conf and restart X:

> Option "FingerLow" "25"
> Option "FingerHigh" "30"

> That usually gets the touchpad working well enough to get into
> gsynaptics. After that I comment out the lines again because they'll
> keep resetting the touchpad sensitivity to the above settings no matter
> what you set them to with an X touchpad utility. If there's no alps
> equivalent of gysnaptics, I'd just work out some good values and leave
> them in.

Above settings which I've posted (in excerpt from Xorg.0.log) works
fine with Xorg running on my Gentoo GNU/Linux on the same notebook,
but not in FreeBSD. Another problem is Xorg doesn't detect hotplugging
of USB mouse, which it used to detect, when working with moused.

Anyways, thanks for the help.

Ashish Shukla
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:12:25 +0530, Ashish Shukla आशीष श
ुक्ल wrote:

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> over the hill writes:
>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:03:06 +0530, आशीष शुक्ल Ashish Shukla wrote:
>



> Above settings which I've posted (in excerpt from Xorg.0.log) works fine
> with Xorg running on my Gentoo GNU/Linux on the same notebook, but not
> in FreeBSD. Another problem is Xorg doesn't detect hotplugging of USB
> mouse, which it used to detect, when working with moused.

FreeBSD's always such an adventure. :-(

> Anyways, thanks for the help.

Sorry I couldn't help more. It's always worked for me so I never learned
what to do next.