Nick Kew wrote:

> OK, I really, really don't appreciate having to do extensive hackery
> and reading of TFM without the benefit of a working X11 environment.
>
> Now I have a mini-itx box, and find no out-of-the-box X11 builds will
> do a decent job with it. After some poking around and howtos that
> didn't work, I'm trying to follow
> http://sourceforge.net/docman/displa...roup_id=102048
>
> "# Make sure you have a build tree of XFree 4.4 or later, which has
> been built once so all object files etc. are there. The top build
> directory will hereafter be called "", and it is containing
> the subdirectory xc."
>
> Good. So I download and unpack the xfree86 source. The /xc/ directory
> contains an Imakefile and **** all else. So does the config directory.
> They need imake to bootstrap.
>
> And where is imake? It's in /usr/X11R6/bin/ ! Except it isn't,
> because I don't have X11 installed yet.
>
> So, how am I supposed to bootstrap bloody xfree86?
>
make World

But be sure and read as much of the docs in the top level xc directory as you
can handle.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Allen yowled:
> Nick Kew wrote:
>> And where is imake? It's in /usr/X11R6/bin/ ! Except it isn't,
>> because I don't have X11 installed yet.
>>
>> So, how am I supposed to bootstrap bloody xfree86?
>
> make World

To be more specific, copy config/cf/xf86site.def to config/cf/site.def,
hack it to taste, and *then* make World followed by a sudo make install.

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In article <34ikunF4abu6aU1@individual.net>,
Allen writes:

>> So, how am I supposed to bootstrap bloody xfree86?
>>
> make World

That presupposes the existence of a Makefile. There isn't one in the
downloads from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/
Neither does www.xfree86.org suggest any other download for the sources.

--
Nick Kew

Nick Kew wrote:
> OK, I really, really don't appreciate having to do extensive hackery
> and reading of TFM without the benefit of a working X11 environment.
>
> Now I have a mini-itx box, and find no out-of-the-box X11 builds will
> do a decent job with it.
That ain't true. My Debian sid does fine; so would sarge. I suspect any
up to date X11 package would do as well; you need the via driver and
there you are.

Robert

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:01:55 +0000, Nick Kew wrote:
>In article <34ikunF4abu6aU1@individual.net>,
> Allen writes:
>
>>> So, how am I supposed to bootstrap bloody xfree86?
>>>
>> make World

>That presupposes the existence of a Makefile. There isn't one in the
>downloads from ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/
>Neither does www.xfree86.org suggest any other download for the sources.

The makefile is in the first source tarball XFree86-4.4.0-src-1.tgz.

In article ,
Robert Harris writes:
> Nick Kew wrote:
>> OK, I really, really don't appreciate having to do extensive hackery
>> and reading of TFM without the benefit of a working X11 environment.
>>
>> Now I have a mini-itx box, and find no out-of-the-box X11 builds will
>> do a decent job with it.
> That ain't true. My Debian sid does fine; so would sarge. I suspect any
> up to date X11 package would do as well; you need the via driver and
> there you are.

I tried, in addition to the (slightly dated) slackware CD that's installed
on the laptop, Gentoo-2004-3, FreeBSD 5.3 and NetBSD 2.0[1]
(all latest versions). The via driver claimed to give good results
(1280x1024 or 1600x1200 at 85Hz reported in the log) but in both cases
it was a terrible display, and the monitor reported it as 59Hz vertical
refresh. The vesa driver gave a much better display at 60Hz,
demonstrating that the via was far worse than just that 1Hz difference.

Anyway, finally got a decent display with a Gentoo ebuild from
http://epia.kalf.org/portage/x11-base/xfree-unichrome/ .
So now I have an environment I can work in without having to keep
the laptop precariously poised alongside it to be able to RTFM/etc[3].

[1] I'm OS-agnostic about this; they're interchangable[2] for my purposes.
[2] ... within limits:-)
[3] and wonder how the **** I managed in the 1980s[4]!
[4] Well, I guess I was younger then, and not spoilt on nice GUIs.

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Nick Kew