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  1. choppy x performance

    Hello -

    I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core 1. I
    use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the
    screen is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does
    anyone know what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP
    card and some generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?

    Thanks,
    Stuart Matthews

  2. Re: choppy x performance

    On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:13:41 -0400, Stuart Matthews wrote:
    > I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core 1. I
    > use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    > else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    > Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    > have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the
    > screen is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does
    > anyone know what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP
    > card and some generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?


    It might depend on which application(s) you are running. I have noticed on
    SuSE 9.1 that sometimes the X system seems "choppy". Typically, that only
    happens when there is either a severe CPU load (around 10+?) or if there
    is some GUI application of questionable design/implementation running.
    Some applications just seem to be very busy, possibly trying to do all
    kinds of dynamic stuff (resizing? "live" regions activating things?).

    FWIW, I have found that xsane runs "choppy", but quiteinsane (same
    functionality?) does not. Unfortunately, the version of quiteinsane that I
    have does not compile/run correctly on SuSE 9.1, it refuses to display the
    scanned image (preview yes, scanned no). Still working on it, sort of.

    --
    Juhan Leemet
    Logicognosis, Inc.



  3. Re: choppy x performance

    Oops! Stuart Matthews was seen spray-painting on a wall:
    > I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core
    > 1. I use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for
    > everything else. I have always known there was something I liked
    > better about the Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my
    > finger on it. Well, I have found out what it is - choppyness.
    > Moving windows around the screen is very choppy, making it very
    > unpleasant to look at. Does anyone know what could be done to
    > resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP card and some generic PCI
    > video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?


    It's actually rather tough to diagnose this, offhand, as the potential
    culprits are pretty widely distributed.

    - Some window managers are a bit "choppy;"

    - The problem could be insufficient RAM;

    - The problem could lie in one or another of the applications.

    Straight answers are a bit tough to find :-(.
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  4. Re: choppy x performance

    On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:13:41 -0400, Stuart Matthews wrote:

    > Hello -
    >
    > I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core 1. I
    > use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    > else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    > Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    > have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the screen
    > is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does anyone know
    > what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP card and some
    > generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?
    >

    Mempry available? Window manager used? Server used? Other processes, i.e.
    top output?


  5. Re: choppy x performance

    Alf Tanner wrote:
    > On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:13:41 -0400, Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Hello -
    >>
    >>I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core 1. I
    >>use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    >>else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    >>Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    >>have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the screen
    >>is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does anyone know
    >>what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP card and some
    >>generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?
    >>

    >
    > Mempry available? Window manager used? Server used? Other processes, i.e.
    > top output?
    >


    using KDE. top output:

    11:40:22 up 3 min, 3 users, load average: 0.61, 0.47, 0.18
    73 processes: 72 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
    CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle
    total 1.5% 0.0% 1.1% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 97.2%
    Mem: 514580k av, 225864k used, 288716k free, 0k shrd, 19360k
    buff
    73504k active, 129720k inactive
    Swap: 1044216k av, 0k used, 1044216k free 116332k
    cached

    PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
    3147 stu 15 0 12148 11M 10608 S 1.1 2.3 0:00 0 kdeinit
    2914 root 15 0 135M 22M 3136 S 0.9 4.4 0:26 0 X
    3172 stu 17 0 1184 1184 976 R 0.3 0.2 0:00 0 top
    1 root 16 0 428 428 372 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 0 init
    2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd
    3 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kapmd
    4 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    ksoftirqd/0
    6 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 bdflush
    5 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kswapd
    7 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kupdated
    8 root 23 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    mdrecoveryd
    12 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
    78 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 khubd
    2169 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
    2218 root 16 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    knodemgrd_0


  6. Re: choppy x performance

    Stuart Matthews wrote:
    > Alf Tanner wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:13:41 -0400, Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Hello -
    >>>
    >>> I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core 1. I
    >>> use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    >>> else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    >>> Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    >>> have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the
    >>> screen
    >>> is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does anyone know
    >>> what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP card and
    >>> some
    >>> generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Mempry available? Window manager used? Server used? Other processes, i.e.
    >> top output?
    >>

    >
    > using KDE. top output:
    >
    > 11:40:22 up 3 min, 3 users, load average: 0.61, 0.47, 0.18
    > 73 processes: 72 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
    > CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle
    > total 1.5% 0.0% 1.1% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 97.2%
    > Mem: 514580k av, 225864k used, 288716k free, 0k shrd, 19360k
    > buff
    > 73504k active, 129720k inactive
    > Swap: 1044216k av, 0k used, 1044216k free 116332k
    > cached
    >
    > PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
    > 3147 stu 15 0 12148 11M 10608 S 1.1 2.3 0:00 0 kdeinit
    > 2914 root 15 0 135M 22M 3136 S 0.9 4.4 0:26 0 X
    > 3172 stu 17 0 1184 1184 976 R 0.3 0.2 0:00 0 top
    > 1 root 16 0 428 428 372 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 0 init
    > 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd
    > 3 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kapmd
    > 4 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    > ksoftirqd/0
    > 6 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 bdflush
    > 5 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kswapd
    > 7 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kupdated
    > 8 root 23 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    > mdrecoveryd
    > 12 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
    > 78 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 khubd
    > 2169 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kjournald
    > 2218 root 16 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    > knodemgrd_0
    >


    Which graphic card drivers do you use?
    Which X11 server do you use?

  7. Re: choppy x performance

    J.O. Aho wrote:
    > Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >
    >> Alf Tanner wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 00:13:41 -0400, Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Hello -
    >>>>
    >>>> I have two systems at my desk - one Windows XP and one Fedora Core
    >>>> 1. I
    >>>> use the Windows system for games and the Fedora system for everything
    >>>> else. I have always known there was something I liked better about the
    >>>> Windows GUI experience, but I couldn't place my finger on it. Well, I
    >>>> have found out what it is - choppyness. Moving windows around the
    >>>> screen
    >>>> is very choppy, making it very unpleasant to look at. Does anyone know
    >>>> what could be done to resolve this? I have a Geforce 3 AGP card and
    >>>> some
    >>>> generic PCI video card running dual monitors. Any suggestion?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Mempry available? Window manager used? Server used? Other processes,
    >>> i.e.
    >>> top output?
    >>>

    >>
    >> using KDE. top output:
    >>
    >> 11:40:22 up 3 min, 3 users, load average: 0.61, 0.47, 0.18
    >> 73 processes: 72 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
    >> CPU states: cpu user nice system irq softirq iowait idle
    >> total 1.5% 0.0% 1.1% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 97.2%
    >> Mem: 514580k av, 225864k used, 288716k free, 0k shrd,
    >> 19360k buff
    >> 73504k active, 129720k inactive
    >> Swap: 1044216k av, 0k used, 1044216k free
    >> 116332k cached
    >>
    >> PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND
    >> 3147 stu 15 0 12148 11M 10608 S 1.1 2.3 0:00 0 kdeinit
    >> 2914 root 15 0 135M 22M 3136 S 0.9 4.4 0:26 0 X
    >> 3172 stu 17 0 1184 1184 976 R 0.3 0.2 0:00 0 top
    >> 1 root 16 0 428 428 372 S 0.0 0.0 0:04 0 init
    >> 2 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 keventd
    >> 3 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kapmd
    >> 4 root 34 19 0 0 0 SWN 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> ksoftirqd/0
    >> 6 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 bdflush
    >> 5 root 25 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 kswapd
    >> 7 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> kupdated
    >> 8 root 23 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> mdrecoveryd
    >> 12 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> kjournald
    >> 78 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0 khubd
    >> 2169 root 15 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> kjournald
    >> 2218 root 16 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 0
    >> knodemgrd_0
    >>

    >
    > Which graphic card drivers do you use?
    > Which X11 server do you use?


    I am using the standard drivers that come with FC1. And, I am using
    XFree86.

  8. Re: choppy x performance

    Stuart Matthews wrote:
    > J.O. Aho wrote:


    >> Which graphic card drivers do you use?
    >> Which X11 server do you use?

    >
    > I am using the standard drivers that come with FC1. And, I am using
    > XFree86.


    Tried the nVidia driver, www.nvidia.com, those are IMHO better than the hacked
    nv driver that comes with XF86, of course it's not GPL.

    Do you experiencew the same preformance on both monitors?

    If the kdeinit is still running a long time after you have logged into your
    KDE environment, then it seems like something ain't really well with your KDE
    installation, this seems to take a great deal of your CPU power, which could
    lead to your bad preformance.

    If I don't remember it wrong, KDE uses OpenGL and when using the default XF86
    nv driver, you will be using MESA, which is software version of OpenGL, this
    slows down all preformance that requiers usage of OpenGL (it can be true for
    your other card too, as not knowing which gfx card you are using (more what
    chip it uses), it's impossible to say if it has OpenGL support or not.


    //Aho

  9. Re: choppy x performance

    On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:04:41 +0200, J.O. Aho staggered into the Black
    Sun and said:
    > Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >> J.O. Aho wrote:
    >>> Which graphic card drivers do you use? Which X11 server do you use?

    >> I am using the standard drivers that come with FC1. And, I am using
    >> XFree86.


    What J.O. Aho meant was "Which X server are you using?" You can find
    this out by opening /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/Xorg.conf and
    looking for the Device section. There'll be a line in there that says
    something like 'Driver "r128" ' or 'Driver "vesa" ' or 'Driver "nv" '.
    Those are the Rage128, VESA, and NV(free) X servers. You do not want to
    be using the VESA X server because it's slow.

    > Tried the nVidia driver, www.nvidia.com


    Won't help unless Stuart has an nVidia card, which may not be the case.
    What's the make and model of your video card, Stuart[0]? You can find
    this out by doing "lspci | grep VGA". Post the output of that command.
    Find your XF86Config or Xorg.conf file and put that on your webspace,
    then follow up to this message with a URL. If you don't *have*
    webspace, mail the file to me (mind the SPAN TRAP) and I'll put it on my
    webspace and follow up with a URL so that other people can look at it.

    > Do you experiencew the same preformance on both monitors?


    J.O.: Yuor speling cheker is mlafunctioning. Also, there may be
    problems with nVidia cards and multiple monitors if you have 2 graphics
    cards in one machine. Sorry I can't be more specific about this; the
    person I was talking to about that problem didn't give me much specific
    information. So: Stuart, do you have more than one graphics card?

    > If the kdeinit is still running a long time after you have logged into
    > your KDE environment, then it seems like something ain't really well
    > with your KDE installation


    Nope. kdeinit is KDE's master process and it'll be running whenever KDE
    is running. I have a number of kdeinit processes running on both my
    non-headless machines right now, and KDE's performance is fine.

    > If I don't remember it wrong, KDE uses OpenGL


    Nope. Some KDE applications use OpenGL, and some of the eye-candy that
    you can turn on from the KDE control center may use OpenGL, but it's
    certainly not required for KDE's base system.

    [0] And do you know what the QUEERS are doing to the SOIL? (Dead
    Milkmen, "Stuart", album "Beelzebubba", 1988, RIP Dave Blood.)

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  10. Re: choppy x performance


    [stu@pita ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep VGA
    00:07.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT]
    (rev 04)
    01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti
    200] (rev a3)

    Top is my PCI card. Bottom is my AGP card.

    Here is my /etc/X11/XF86Config file: http://fourmajor.com/XF86Config

    Thanks for all your help,
    Stuart Matthews

    Dances With Crows wrote:
    > On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:04:41 +0200, J.O. Aho staggered into the Black
    > Sun and said:
    >
    >>Stuart Matthews wrote:
    >>
    >>>J.O. Aho wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Which graphic card drivers do you use? Which X11 server do you use?
    >>>
    >>>I am using the standard drivers that come with FC1. And, I am using
    >>>XFree86.

    >
    >
    > What J.O. Aho meant was "Which X server are you using?" You can find
    > this out by opening /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/Xorg.conf and
    > looking for the Device section. There'll be a line in there that says
    > something like 'Driver "r128" ' or 'Driver "vesa" ' or 'Driver "nv" '.
    > Those are the Rage128, VESA, and NV(free) X servers. You do not want to
    > be using the VESA X server because it's slow.
    >
    >
    >>Tried the nVidia driver, www.nvidia.com

    >
    >
    > Won't help unless Stuart has an nVidia card, which may not be the case.
    > What's the make and model of your video card, Stuart[0]? You can find
    > this out by doing "lspci | grep VGA". Post the output of that command.
    > Find your XF86Config or Xorg.conf file and put that on your webspace,
    > then follow up to this message with a URL. If you don't *have*
    > webspace, mail the file to me (mind the SPAN TRAP) and I'll put it on my
    > webspace and follow up with a URL so that other people can look at it.
    >
    >
    >>Do you experiencew the same preformance on both monitors?

    >
    >
    > J.O.: Yuor speling cheker is mlafunctioning. Also, there may be
    > problems with nVidia cards and multiple monitors if you have 2 graphics
    > cards in one machine. Sorry I can't be more specific about this; the
    > person I was talking to about that problem didn't give me much specific
    > information. So: Stuart, do you have more than one graphics card?
    >
    >
    >>If the kdeinit is still running a long time after you have logged into
    >>your KDE environment, then it seems like something ain't really well
    >>with your KDE installation

    >
    >
    > Nope. kdeinit is KDE's master process and it'll be running whenever KDE
    > is running. I have a number of kdeinit processes running on both my
    > non-headless machines right now, and KDE's performance is fine.
    >
    >
    >>If I don't remember it wrong, KDE uses OpenGL

    >
    >
    > Nope. Some KDE applications use OpenGL, and some of the eye-candy that
    > you can turn on from the KDE control center may use OpenGL, but it's
    > certainly not required for KDE's base system.
    >
    > [0] And do you know what the QUEERS are doing to the SOIL? (Dead
    > Milkmen, "Stuart", album "Beelzebubba", 1988, RIP Dave Blood.)
    >


  11. Re: choppy x performance

    Stuart Matthews adjusted his/her tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear
    to write:

    >
    > [stu@pita ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep VGA
    > 00:07.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT]
    > (rev 04)
    > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3
    > Ti 200] (rev a3)
    >
    > Top is my PCI card. Bottom is my AGP card.
    >
    > Here is my /etc/X11/XF86Config file: http://fourmajor.com/XF86Config
    >


    Yep according to your XF86Config you are using the "nv" module for your
    cards which is like running XP without the Nvidia drivers so no wonder
    that your desktop is jerky, to get comparable systems you will need to
    install the drivers from the Nvidia site, this will give full 2D and 3D
    acceleration vastly increasing you systems graphic speed.

    Just d/load and run the script as root from a non X environment, all is
    in the guide/readme on the site and is pretty painless.

    HTH

    --
    Mark
    Iligitimi Non Carborundum!
    Twixt hill and high water, N.Wales, UK
    onfxvgpnvfr-ng-tzk-qbg-pb-hx

  12. Re: choppy x performance

    baskitcaise wrote:
    > Stuart Matthews adjusted his/her tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear
    > to write:
    >
    >
    >>[stu@pita ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep VGA
    >>00:07.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT]
    >>(rev 04)
    >>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3
    >>Ti 200] (rev a3)
    >>
    >>Top is my PCI card. Bottom is my AGP card.
    >>
    >>Here is my /etc/X11/XF86Config file: http://fourmajor.com/XF86Config
    >>

    >
    >
    > Yep according to your XF86Config you are using the "nv" module for your
    > cards which is like running XP without the Nvidia drivers so no wonder
    > that your desktop is jerky, to get comparable systems you will need to
    > install the drivers from the Nvidia site, this will give full 2D and 3D
    > acceleration vastly increasing you systems graphic speed.
    >
    > Just d/load and run the script as root from a non X environment, all is
    > in the guide/readme on the site and is pretty painless.
    >
    > HTH
    >


    I installed the drivers and enabled them for both the Geforce 3 and the
    TNT2 (The website indicated that the drivers should work for both
    cards). The TNT2 stopped working at this point, so I re-enabled the nv
    drivers for the TNT2. I still got the same jerky results. Just to
    test, I loaded up X with only the AGP card active, and still got the
    same results. Any more suggestions?

    Stu

  13. Re: choppy x performance

    Stuart Matthews adjusted his/her tin foil beanie and asbestos underwear
    to write:


    >> Yep according to your XF86Config you are using the "nv" module for
    >> your cards which is like running XP without the Nvidia drivers so no
    >> wonder that your desktop is jerky, to get comparable systems you will
    >> need to install the drivers from the Nvidia site, this will give full
    >> 2D and 3D acceleration vastly increasing you systems graphic speed.
    >>
    >> Just d/load and run the script as root from a non X environment, all
    >> is in the guide/readme on the site and is pretty painless.
    >>
    >> HTH
    >>

    >
    > I installed the drivers and enabled them for both the Geforce 3 and
    > the TNT2 (The website indicated that the drivers should work for both
    > cards). The TNT2 stopped working at this point, so I re-enabled the
    > nv
    > drivers for the TNT2. I still got the same jerky results. Just to
    > test, I loaded up X with only the AGP card active, and still got the
    > same results. Any more suggestions?


    Can you confirm that you are using the nvidias glx extension on the agp
    card by running glxgears and post the fps?

    cannot remember the actual fps No. that should be good for a g/f3 but
    you will know if it is not using H/W accel.

    Also check on the agp value for the tnt/both cards I use an "option" of
    3 in my XF86Config, the wrong one can cause probs on some cards, here
    is my XF86Config entry for my card ( FX5600 ):-

    <<--snip-->>

    Section "Device"
    BoardName "0x0312"
    BusID "2:0:0"
    Driver "nvidia"
    Identifier "Device[0]"
    Option "NoLogo" "1"
    Option "NvAGP" "3"
    Screen 0
    VendorName "NVidia"
    EndSection

    <<--pins-->>

    HTH
    --
    Mark
    Iligitimi Non Carborundum!
    Twixt hill and high water, N.Wales, UK
    onfxvgpnvfr-ng-tzk-qbg-pb-hx

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