Hi.

I use an ATI Radeon 9200 PCI on an alpha PWS500au with Debian testing
(sarge), which offers XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1. The kernel I use is 2.4.25.

I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
(Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
iteration is down to 1FPS.

Could someone please help me, since I believe that the Radeon should be
much faster. I made the XFree86.0.log and XF86Config-4 available at
http://home.bawue.de/~zirz/XFree86.0.log and
http://home.bawue.de/~zirz/XF86Config-4

Any help is appreciated.

TIA

Torsten

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:20:57 +0200,
Torsten Zirzlaff , in

>+ I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
>+ disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
>+ as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
>+ (Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
>+ iteration is down to 1FPS.

What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
"Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
got something else goofed up.

But fixing that hasn't been a high priority.

James
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I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
> Torsten Zirzlaff , in
>
>>+ I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
>>+ disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
>>+ as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
>>+ (Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
>>+ iteration is down to 1FPS.
>
> What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
> "Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
> I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
> got something else goofed up.

I've got exactly the same piece of misery on the desktop with
the ATI Radeon 9800. I've tried to use the ATI drivers, but
something is messed up.

Duke

I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
> Torsten Zirzlaff , in
>
>>+ I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
>>+ disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
>>+ as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
>>+ (Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
>>+ iteration is down to 1FPS.
>
> What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
> "Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
> I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
> got something else goofed up.

I've got exactly the same piece of misery on the desktop with
the ATI Radeon 9800. I've tried to use the ATI drivers, but
something is messed up.

Duke

Hi.

usenet@nttvr2x3.pbgfr.arg (I R A Darth Aggie) writes:

> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:20:57 +0200,
> Torsten Zirzlaff , in
>
[deletia]
>
> What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
> "Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
> I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
> got something else goofed up.

I could not get an ATI driver since there are no ATI drivers for me
(wrong architecture) ATI provides only drivers for i386, I have an
alpha (axp) architecture.

I thought that DRM and DRI were enabled.

tinuviel zirzlaff 36 (~):glxinfo | grep OpenGL
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 1x TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
OpenGL extensions:

or the complete output:
name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
client glx vendor string: SGI
client glx version string: 1.2
client glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
GLX_NV_vertex_array_range, GLX_MESA_agp_offset
GLX extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 1x TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 4.0.4
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3,
GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color,
GL_EXT_blend_logic_op, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract,
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint, GL_EXT_convolution, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array,
GL_EXT_histogram, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_polygon_offset,
GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap,
GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic,
GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_vertex_array,
GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_MESA_pack_invert, GL_MESA_ycbcr_texture,
GL_MESA_window_pos, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_rectangle,
GL_SGI_color_matrix, GL_SGI_color_table
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x23 24 tc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x24 24 tc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x25 24 tc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x26 24 tc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x27 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x28 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x29 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2a 24 tc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2b 24 dc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2c 24 dc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x2d 24 dc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2e 24 dc 0 24 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x2f 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x30 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 None
0x31 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow
0x32 24 dc 0 24 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 0 0 Slow

From that output I assume that it is hardware enhanced. And 234 FPS
is faster oposed to software rendering (35FPS).

> But fixing that hasn't been a high priority.
>
> James

Thanks for your help.

Ciao

Torsten

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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| The shortest unit of time in the universe is the New York Second, defined |
| as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green and the cab |
| behind you honking. -- Terry Pratchett 'Lords and Ladies' |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Den Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:17:26 -0400 skrev Duke Robillard:

> I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>> Torsten Zirzlaff , in
>>
>>>+ I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
>>>+ disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
>>>+ as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
>>>+ (Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
>>>+ iteration is down to 1FPS.
>>
>> What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
>> "Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
>> I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
>> got something else goofed up.
>
> I've got exactly the same piece of misery on the desktop with
> the ATI Radeon 9800. I've tried to use the ATI drivers, but
> something is messed up.
>
> Duke

Well just thought i should mention that i have the same identical problem
as the rest of you. Any got a clue or a hint on what to do?

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:22:03 GMT,
Magnus Jonneryd , in
wrote:
>+ Den Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:17:26 -0400 skrev Duke Robillard:
>+
>+ > I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>+ >> Torsten Zirzlaff , in
>+ >>
>+ >>>+ I try to replace the previous Voodoo 4500, but I'm quite
>+ >>>+ disappointed. Since it seems that the old Voodoo 4500 is a bit faster
>+ >>>+ as the a newer 9200. DRI is enabled, but glxgears only reports 235.200 FPS
>+ >>>+ (Voodoo 300 FPS) and when I use xscreensaver menger the second
>+ >>>+ iteration is down to 1FPS.
>+ >>
>+ >> What does 'glxinfo | grep OpenGL' tell you? I suspect that it says
>+ >> "Mesa" not "ATI". I've got a R9600 in a laptop, and that's the problem
>+ >> I run into. I've got the ATI drivers installed, but I've obviously
>+ >> got something else goofed up.
>+ >
>+ > I've got exactly the same piece of misery on the desktop with
>+ > the ATI Radeon 9800. I've tried to use the ATI drivers, but
>+ > something is messed up.
>+ >
>+ > Duke
>+
>+ Well just thought i should mention that i have the same identical problem
>+ as the rest of you. Any got a clue or a hint on what to do?

At this point, no, I don't. I have some random stray thoughts, but
they haven't coalesced into something useful.

James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

Den Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:27:37 +0000 skrev I R A Darth Aggie:

> On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 20:22:03 GMT,
>>+ Well just thought i should mention that i have the same identical problem
>>+ as the rest of you. Any got a clue or a hint on what to do?
>
> At this point, no, I don't. I have some random stray thoughts, but
> they haven't coalesced into something useful.
>
> James

I've started a thread on comp.os.linux.hardware->Radeon 9600 and Mandrake
10.0, where i sum up most of my ramblings. I still havn't got any
reply though which i find strange since this seems to be a problem that
quite a few experience. Wonder if they just gave up and bought a nVidia
card instead?

Magnus Jonneryd wrote in message news:...
[deletia]
>
> I've started a thread on comp.os.linux.hardware->Radeon 9600 and Mandrake
> 10.0, where i sum up most of my ramblings. I still havn't got any
> reply though which i find strange since this seems to be a problem that
> quite a few experience. Wonder if they just gave up and bought a nVidia
> card instead?

Nope, since nvidia is not an option for me (x86 centric those guys).

Nevertheless some information I had gathered the recent days.

If you buy a PCI version of a radeon card > 9100 you are surly buy a
crippled card, since is quite common to limit the memory bus to 64-bit
which is a serious perfomance hit and often turn your e.g. 9200 into a
9200SE for which you had paid the full price.

To my knowledge on the Visiontek Xtasy 9100 have a 128-bit bus even
on PCI.

You should also take into account that the e.g. 9100 is much more
performant as the 9200 or 9000.

One weird aspect is that the PCI bus is performs poorly on the
radeon side, but nobody knows why.

As for supported chips under Linux you could only have hardware 3d
acceleration up to the 9200 (rv280) chips. Other chips which are based
on the r300 and better are only supported with 2d hardware
acceleration.

There are projects which try to solve this need, this may take quite
a while.

The drivers from ATI seem only to work of cause if you have a x86
based system and with XFree86 4.3.x. Higher versions seem not to be
supported. Alas the 2d performance of those drivers seem not to be
very good in comparision to the DRI/XFree86/XOrg ones (some had called
them sluggish, but I have no comparision for myself.)

Currently I have the hunch, that if you are running a x86 based
system you are better of with the nvida hardware. If you are not on a
x86 based system the ati -cards are much better. Alas 3d hardware
acceleration is only supportd up to the r200 based cards, which
sometimes come back as mobility versions.

For further information I warmly recommend the documentation on
dri.sourceforge.net

Ciao

Torsten

Den Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:45:37 -0700 skrev Torsten Zirzlaff:
> As for supported chips under Linux you could only have hardware 3d
> acceleration up to the 9200 (rv280) chips. Other chips which are based
> on the r300 and better are only supported with 2d hardware
> acceleration.
>
> There are projects which try to solve this need, this may take quite
> a while.
>
> For further information I warmly recommend the documentation on
> dri.sourceforge.net
>
> Ciao
>
> Torsten

So basically i just have to wait. Well tnx for the info.

Magnus