Wi-Fi Ranges - Wireless

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  1. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
    > In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
    > LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
    >> ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
    >>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> "BillW50"
    >>>> writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
    >>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
    >>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or not.
    >>>>> I bet they were.
    >>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
    >>>
    >>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one you
    >>> linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just a
    >>> pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
    >>>
    >>> +Update+
    >>>
    >>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
    >>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
    >>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
    >>> late adopters.

    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf

    >
    > Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just 800
    > feet away. LOL


    Google "cantenna".
    --
    TTFN,

    Shaun.

    "another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
    'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.

    "your so predictable misfit"
    'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.



  2. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    In news:476da1f7@news2.actrix.gen.nz,
    ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:47:06 +1300:
    > Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
    >> In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
    >> LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
    >>> ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
    >>>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> "BillW50"
    >>>>> writes:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
    >>>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
    >>>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or
    >>>>>> not. I bet they were.
    >>>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
    >>>>
    >>>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one
    >>>> you linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just
    >>>> a pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
    >>>>
    >>>> +Update+
    >>>>
    >>>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
    >>>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
    >>>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
    >>>> late adopters.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf

    >>
    >> Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just 800
    >> feet away. LOL

    >
    > Google "cantenna".


    Thanks Shaun!

    --
    Bill


  3. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    BillW50 wrote:
    >> Google "cantenna".

    >
    > Thanks Shaun!


    Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.

    15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.

  4. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
    wrote:

    >BillW50 wrote:
    >>> Google "cantenna".

    >>
    >> Thanks Shaun!

    >
    >Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    >unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    >around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
    >
    >15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.



    It would be nice to have a link to these.
    Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
    example is in New Zealand.

  5. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
    > In news:476da1f7@news2.actrix.gen.nz,
    > ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:47:06 +1300:
    >> Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
    >>> In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
    >>> LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
    >>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
    >>>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
    >>>>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com> "BillW50"
    >>>>>> writes:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
    >>>>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
    >>>>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or
    >>>>>>> not. I bet they were.
    >>>>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one
    >>>>> you linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just
    >>>>> a pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> +Update+
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
    >>>>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
    >>>>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
    >>>>> late adopters.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf
    >>>
    >>> Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just
    >>> 800 feet away. LOL

    >>
    >> Google "cantenna".

    >
    > Thanks Shaun!


    You're welcome. Good luck. :-)
    --
    TTFN,

    Shaun.

    "your a moron"
    "Neoren", alt.drugs.hard. 20 Oct 2007

    "another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
    'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.

    "your so predictable misfit"
    'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.



  6. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    kony wrote:
    > On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
    > wrote:
    >
    >> BillW50 wrote:
    >>>> Google "cantenna".
    >>> Thanks Shaun!

    >> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    >> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    >> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
    >>
    >> 15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.

    >
    >
    > It would be nice to have a link to these.
    > Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
    > example is in New Zealand.


    http://www.hyperlinktech.com
    http://www.highgainantennas.com

    come to mind

  7. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:17:23 -0500, kony wrote:

    >On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
    > wrote:
    >
    >>BillW50 wrote:
    >>>> Google "cantenna".
    >>>
    >>> Thanks Shaun!

    >>
    >>Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    >>unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    >>around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
    >>
    >>15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.

    >
    >
    >It would be nice to have a link to these.



    14 dBi Backfire ---------- $38.65
    15 dBi Parabolic Grid - $34.50
    19 dBi Parabolic Grid - $39.00
    24 dBi Parabolic Grid - $52.50

    >Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
    >example is in New Zealand.



    Our Shipping Q&A
    Q: Where will you ship to?

    A: We will ship anywhere we can legally ship to. Currently we can not
    ship to Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Libya, and North Korea.

    & for those wanting to build something:

    Build Your Own Cantenna Kit! - $12.95
    Includes:
    * 1 N Female Chassis Mount Connector
    * 1 Pigtail of your choice below to connect to the N-Female
    Chassis Mount.

    Read their Shipping Q&A esp. concerning the Parabolic Grids.


    I've never used their services (yet).
    Just posting links.

    kc

  8. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:02:57 -0600, DTC
    wrote:

    >kony wrote:
    >> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> BillW50 wrote:
    >>>>> Google "cantenna".
    >>>> Thanks Shaun!
    >>> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    >>> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    >>> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
    >>>
    >>> 15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.

    >>
    >>
    >> It would be nice to have a link to these.
    >> Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
    >> example is in New Zealand.

    >
    >http://www.hyperlinktech.com
    >http://www.highgainantennas.com
    >
    >come to mind


    Maybe I'm just too lazy to look long enough but I did not
    see the BBQ $40 antenna for 2.4GHz.

  9. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:09:51 -0500, Kim Clay
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:17:23 -0500, kony wrote:
    >
    >>On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>BillW50 wrote:
    >>>>> Google "cantenna".
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks Shaun!
    >>>
    >>>Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
    >>>unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
    >>>around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
    >>>
    >>>15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.

    >>
    >>
    >>It would be nice to have a link to these.

    >
    >
    >14 dBi Backfire ---------- $38.65
    >15 dBi Parabolic Grid - $34.50
    >19 dBi Parabolic Grid - $39.00
    >24 dBi Parabolic Grid - $52.50


    Wow, those are extremely good prices.



    >
    >>Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
    >>example is in New Zealand.

    >
    >
    >Our Shipping Q&A
    >Q: Where will you ship to?
    >
    >A: We will ship anywhere we can legally ship to. Currently we can not
    >ship to Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Libya, and North Korea.




    >
    >& for those wanting to build something:
    >
    >Build Your Own Cantenna Kit! - $12.95
    >Includes:
    > * 1 N Female Chassis Mount Connector
    > * 1 Pigtail of your choice below to connect to the N-Female
    >Chassis Mount.


    N connectors I have, leftovers from a past era of 900MHz
    jobs, but life being ironic as it is, most of my modern wifi
    gear uses R-SMA instead. I could just modify it so the
    equipment had N connectors and probably will, but didn't
    have a compelling reason to yet.



    >
    >Read their Shipping Q&A esp. concerning the Parabolic Grids.
    >


    I'm wondering what the BBQ shipping rates are because the
    sans-shipping price is almost too good to be true.

  10. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    kony wrote:
    > Maybe I'm just too lazy to look long enough but I did not
    > see the BBQ $40 antenna for 2.4GHz.


    http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2419g.php


    > A lot of wifi gear does have signal strength reporting
    > functionality. While it's not perfect, it's a good start.


    Unless the chip set actually has a signal level output, its
    usually going to only show you the signal to noise ratio,
    which is good enough if you test it where you know there
    isn't any interference.

    > Just the other day I drive past an old satellite dish
    > someone was throwing away. I came quite close to chucking
    > the thing in my truck


    I keep a notepad in the truck with addresses where I see the
    old abandoned eight foot dishes, anticipating they would be cool
    to play around with. I figure a simple A-frame gin pole on the
    back of my truck could take them down in short time. An 802.11b
    moon bounce would be pretty neat (after tweeking for the latency
    delays).

    > if I had to wait a long
    > time it gets shelved and just clutters up the basement. I
    > HAVE to clean out my basement soon, LOL.


    http://www.gensteel.com

  11. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    DTC wrote:
    >
    >> if I had to wait a long
    >> time it gets shelved and just clutters up the basement. I
    >> HAVE to clean out my basement soon, LOL.


    I used to have that problem, then I sold the house and moved



  12. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:15:09 GMT, DTC
    wrote:

    >kony wrote:
    >> Maybe I'm just too lazy to look long enough but I did not
    >> see the BBQ $40 antenna for 2.4GHz.

    >
    >http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2419g.php
    >
    >
    >> A lot of wifi gear does have signal strength reporting
    >> functionality. While it's not perfect, it's a good start.

    >
    >Unless the chip set actually has a signal level output, its
    >usually going to only show you the signal to noise ratio,
    >which is good enough if you test it where you know there
    >isn't any interference.


    Sometimes the solution can be good enough in the only way
    that matters, whether you can get sufficient strength from
    point A to point B where you need to use it. There may not
    be a need to find what is *best*, nor even have any accuracy
    at all in measuring it, it is a means towards an end. It
    just has to work.



    >
    >> Just the other day I drive past an old satellite dish
    >> someone was throwing away. I came quite close to chucking
    >> the thing in my truck

    >
    >I keep a notepad in the truck with addresses where I see the
    >old abandoned eight foot dishes, anticipating they would be cool
    >to play around with. I figure a simple A-frame gin pole on the
    >back of my truck could take them down in short time. An 802.11b
    >moon bounce would be pretty neat (after tweeking for the latency
    >delays).
    >
    >> if I had to wait a long
    >> time it gets shelved and just clutters up the basement. I
    >> HAVE to clean out my basement soon, LOL.

    >
    >http://www.gensteel.com


    Already have a shed, dont' want to drag everything back and
    forth as workshop is in the basement. Can't attach anything
    to the house.

  13. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    DTC writes:

    >> A lot of wifi gear does have signal strength reporting
    >> functionality. While it's not perfect, it's a good start.


    >Unless the chip set actually has a signal level output, its
    >usually going to only show you the signal to noise ratio,
    >which is good enough if you test it where you know there
    >isn't any interference.


    Much of the 802.11 gear I've worked with has a field named RSSI
    somewhere in the diagnostic info that can be printed by the software
    that comes with it. RSSI means Received Signal Strength Indicator
    anywhere I've encountered it. So that's a measurement (in possibly
    arbitrary units) of signal strength, not simply signal to noise.

    Dave

  14. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges

    In news:fkuq7s$jsf$1@swain.cs.ubc.ca,
    Dave Martindale typed on Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC):
    > DTC writes:
    >
    >>> A lot of wifi gear does have signal strength reporting
    >>> functionality. While it's not perfect, it's a good start.

    >
    >> Unless the chip set actually has a signal level output, its
    >> usually going to only show you the signal to noise ratio,
    >> which is good enough if you test it where you know there
    >> isn't any interference.

    >
    > Much of the 802.11 gear I've worked with has a field named RSSI
    > somewhere in the diagnostic info that can be printed by the software
    > that comes with it. RSSI means Received Signal Strength Indicator
    > anywhere I've encountered it. So that's a measurement (in possibly
    > arbitrary units) of signal strength, not simply signal to noise.
    >
    > Dave


    I have two drivers for my US Robotics WiFi. The later version has
    readings for both signal strength and signal to noise ratios.

    --
    Bill


  15. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges


    "kony" wrote in message
    news:tl3pm35ahbg3qq5rrrmlk3pmpgtoqfidj1@4ax.com...
    > On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:09 -0600, "Neil"
    > wrote:
    >
    >>No, the chances of there being another hotspot are very slim, as there's
    >>only a few types of business that have T-Mobile (Starbucks, Kinkos, some
    >>hotels and airports -- that's about it). This wasn't a random hotspot. It
    >>was a T-Mobile hotspot, and there are only a discreet set of them.
    >>
    >>As for open ground, though, the place where I was down the street (to the
    >>south) and a little west of where the hotspot was. In between (the
    >>northwest
    >>corner of the intersection where I was at) was open. Thus, between me and
    >>the hotspot, there were no buildings. I'm sure that was it.

    >
    >
    > It is quite possible one of these other businesses had put a
    > repeater on their roof so they could enjoy using their
    > account inside without having to pay for on-site service.
    >
    > The only way you could more reliably know for certain is to
    > take a wifi locator, signal strength meter back down there
    > and canvas the area looking for more spots not on maps.
    >
    > It is certainly possible for signals to go 800 feet outside,
    > line of sight, but more surprising if you're inside the
    > sandwich shop, even moreso to maintain connection with a
    > laptop and do that in a shop where there might be a kitchen
    > with microwaves.


    It was a Subway sandwich shop, so I don't think they had any microwaves
    going. And I was (accidentally) sitting right by the window that was closest
    to where that hot spot would have been. So it was almost like I was
    outside -- the laptop was right next to the window.

    Also, as noted, I only had one bar out of five. Still, I was able to surf
    without any problems.



  16. Re: Wi-Fi Ranges


    "curly Bill" wrote in message
    news:CTdbj.523$Gr4.18@newsfe08.phx...
    > Neil wrote:
    >> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed I was able
    >> to pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot, which I have an
    >> account with. It was only one bar out of five. But I was able to connect
    >> to it and surf the web without any problems.
    >>
    >> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
    >> was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away. Measuring it on the map, I
    >> estimate it to be at least 800 feet from where I was.
    >>
    >> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
    >> bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill
    >> from me, though not a very steep hill.

    >
    >
    > So, Neil
    > I think you were very successful getting responses for a stupid question,
    > and stretching it out by your responses.
    >
    > For a troll you did very well.
    >
    > I take it you don't have any friends to hang out with during winter break
    > from school.


    Are you talking about yourself here? Because, obviously, if you had friends,
    you'd be enjoying time with them, rather than wasting time in a thread that
    you feel is "stupid." I'm just sayin'..



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