ssubbarayan wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am not aware of the exact difference between an event and a signal.I
> was under impression what was available as events in other RTOS is
> available as Signals with Vxworks.Can you please elaborate me the
> difference between the two or point me to some links where I can get
> the difference between the two?
>

A signal is according to the unix terminology a notification sent to
a process that will interrupt that process. In order to catch a signal
a process must have a signal handler.

An event is an inter task signalling mechanism that is used by some
RTOS. You can send, receive pend for or check an event. Some RTOS
have the concept of event flag groups where individual bits can be
signalled.

In article <1129550818.052877.298800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
"Lanarcam" writes:
|>
|> > I am not aware of the exact difference between an event and a signal.I
|> > was under impression what was available as events in other RTOS is
|> > available as Signals with Vxworks.Can you please elaborate me the
|> > difference between the two or point me to some links where I can get
|> > the difference between the two?
|>
|> A signal is according to the unix terminology a notification sent to
|> a process that will interrupt that process. In order to catch a signal
|> a process must have a signal handler.

I wish :-(

The Unix signal concept is a hodge-podge. It includes all of:

Notifications from other processes or the kernel
Exceptions involving interrupts of the current thread
Control operations sent to the process (SIGCONT, SIGSTOP)
Elimination of the process without further ado (SIGKILL)
And, heaven help us, signal zero

|> An event is an inter task signalling mechanism that is used by some
|> RTOS. You can send, receive pend for or check an event. Some RTOS
|> have the concept of event flag groups where individual bits can be
|> signalled.

There are many other meanings of the term event, I am afraid.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote:
> In article <1129550818.052877.298800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups. com>,
> "Lanarcam" writes:
> |>
> |> > I am not aware of the exact difference between an event and a signal.I
> |> > was under impression what was available as events in other RTOS is
> |> > available as Signals with Vxworks.Can you please elaborate me the
> |> > difference between the two or point me to some links where I can get
> |> > the difference between the two?
> |>
> |> A signal is according to the unix terminology a notification sent to
> |> a process that will interrupt that process. In order to catch a signal
> |> a process must have a signal handler.
>
> I wish :-(
>
> The Unix signal concept is a hodge-podge. It includes all of:
>
> Notifications from other processes or the kernel
> Exceptions involving interrupts of the current thread
> Control operations sent to the process (SIGCONT, SIGSTOP)
> Elimination of the process without further ado (SIGKILL)
> And, heaven help us, signal zero
>
> |> An event is an inter task signalling mechanism that is used by some
> |> RTOS. You can send, receive pend for or check an event. Some RTOS
> |> have the concept of event flag groups where individual bits can be
> |> signalled.
>
> There are many other meanings of the term event, I am afraid.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nick Maclaren.
Based on the very limited experience I've obtained from implementations
especially in using VxWorks events, to me, in VxWorks, a
signal("soft-interrupt") looks like a system-defined facility while a
VxWorks event (,ported from pSos and only supported in the versions of
5.5 and higher?) looks like a user-defined signaling facility.

For example, to realise a VxWorks event, one needs to assoicated with
some triggering resources such as a semaphore, or a message queue, or a
task or an interrupt. The receiver may pend on these resources.

A VxWorks event may be used for asynchronous inter-task communication.
It may also be used in intra-task. An ISR can send an event but can not
receive a one.

Some real expert may be able to elaborate in-depth what's behind.

I think a signal is just one of the several ways an event can manifest,
and can be understood by VxWorks. May be you can say, for VxWorks the
events are intangible but their manifestations (signal,
interrupt..whatever) are tangible.

Hello folks,

Frank schrieb:
> For example, to realise a VxWorks event, one needs to assoicated with
> some triggering resources such as a semaphore, or a message queue, or a
> task or an interrupt. The receiver may pend on these resources.


The important difference is the common chracteristic, which is:
signals and events are sent to a specific task. So an event is handled
by the receiving task, so it is addressed to a specified task.

This is not the case for message queues semaphores et. al. .

So in pSOS+ an event is one of 32 bits in a long word in the TCB of the
task and events can only be received by the owning task.
So one or more events can be received at a time.

Similar story like a signal handler, where a signal is an int, but
received one after another.



--
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E: Martin.RaabeB-a-S-y-s-t-e-mde

Martin Raabe wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> Frank schrieb:
> > For example, to realise a VxWorks event, one needs to assoicated with
> > some triggering resources such as a semaphore, or a message queue, or a
> > task or an interrupt. The receiver may pend on these resources.
>
First, I should correct myself that events are based on a synchronous
model, NOT an asynchronous one. Are signals based on an asynchornous
model?

>
> The important difference is the common chracteristic, which is:
> signals and events are sent to a specific task. So an event is handled
> by the receiving task, so it is addressed to a specified task.
>
> This is not the case for message queues semaphores et. al. .
>
> So in pSOS+ an event is one of 32 bits in a long word in the TCB of the
> task and events can only be received by the owning task.
> So one or more events can be received at a time.
>
So the event field (VXEVENT type) is task-specific. For inter-task
communication, the event field is included as an argument when an event
is sent to the receiving task. I guess the receiving task should update
the event field of its TCB. Is this guess true?

> Similar story like a signal handler, where a signal is an int, but
> received one after another.
>
Events are accumulated, i.e., the same event received several times is
regarded as one. I don't know if this is just the pSos/VxWorks specific
feature. It looks like signls are not accumulated as you explained. At
least, one can queue the signals and dispatches them to the destination
tasks at a later time. I am afraid if one can do the same with events.

Martin Raabe wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> Frank schrieb:
> > For example, to realise a VxWorks event, one needs to assoicated with
> > some triggering resources such as a semaphore, or a message queue, or a
> > task or an interrupt. The receiver may pend on these resources.
>
>
> The important difference is the common chracteristic, which is:
> signals and events are sent to a specific task. So an event is handled
> by the receiving task, so it is addressed to a specified task.
>
> This is not the case for message queues semaphores et. al. .
>
> So in pSOS+ an event is one of 32 bits in a long word in the TCB of the
> task and events can only be received by the owning task.
> So one or more events can be received at a time.
>
> Similar story like a signal handler, where a signal is an int, but
> received one after another.
>
>
>
> --
> BaSystem Martin Raabe
> E: Martin.RaabeB-a-S-y-s-t-e-mde

Martin and others,
>From this discussion,what I have understood so far is events are
generally like flags and a task who is sending is just setting a flag.A
task who wishes to recieve it is going to pend checking for this flag
and if the condition check is satisfied,its going to take necessary
action.You can pend on more then one event using AND/OR combination.

Where as signals are software interrupts.If this is true,is it the case
that the recieving task is not pending for this signal?Incase the
reciever is not pending,how will the reciever get notification that a
signal has been raised for him?I beleive there should be some flags
present for checking the status of signals just like hardware
interrupts.

Now another question comes to mind is
Are events synchronous and signals asynchronous?
Incase we conclude signals are asynchronous,how does the reciever task
know when it should jump to the signal handler?

Incase of hardware interrupts we have special registers to check status
of interrupt.Is similar concept applicable to a signal?For eg to track
whether a signal is in service,raised already etc?

It would be helpful if you could clarify this.

Regards,
s.subbarayan

ssubbarayan wrote:
> Martin and others,
> >From this discussion,what I have understood so far is events are
> generally like flags and a task who is sending is just setting a flag.A
> task who wishes to recieve it is going to pend checking for this flag
> and if the condition check is satisfied,its going to take necessary
> action.You can pend on more then one event using AND/OR combination.
>
> Where as signals are software interrupts.If this is true,is it the case
> that the recieving task is not pending for this signal?Incase the
> reciever is not pending,how will the reciever get notification that a
> signal has been raised for him?I beleive there should be some flags
> present for checking the status of signals just like hardware
> interrupts.

A process as they are called in unix is interrupted by the OS and
a signal handler if it exists receives the thread of control when
a signal is raised. The process itself does not pend for or
check a signal. It is best to think of signals as soft interrupts.

> Now another question comes to mind is
> Are events synchronous and signals asynchronous?

By nature, yes, as they say.

> Incase we conclude signals are asynchronous,how does the reciever task
> know when it should jump to the signal handler?

It does not jump to the signal handler, the OS interrupts the process
and the signal handler is executed or the process is killed if there
is no signal handler.

> Incase of hardware interrupts we have special registers to check status
> of interrupt.Is similar concept applicable to a signal?For eg to track
> whether a signal is in service,raised already etc?
>
> It would be helpful if you could clarify this.

You are comparing two different systems unix and rtos which have
characteristics of their own, this is interesting but somewhat
artificial. In reality you are dealing with one or the other
for a project not with both.

Hello Lanarcam and others,

Lanarcam schrieb:
> ssubbarayan wrote:
>>Incase of hardware interrupts we have special registers to check status
>>of interrupt.Is similar concept applicable to a signal?For eg to track
>>whether a signal is in service,raised already etc?

> You are comparing two different systems unix and rtos which have
> characteristics of their own, this is interesting but somewhat
> artificial. In reality you are dealing with one or the other
> for a project not with both.

The signalhandler for signals is what the Interrupt Service Routine is
for HW-Interrupts.

The signal received is what the Interrupt status register is. So the
fact that the signal handler has been called is like Interrupt pending
implicitly. Leaving the signal handler implicitly removes the IRQ
pending "flag". The signal handler mechanism works under the assumption,
that for each signal the signalhandler gets called again. in pSOSystem
you can configure, if a signal received signalhandler or not (like nested IRQs).



--
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E: Martin.RaabeB-a-S-y-s-t-e-mde

ssubbarayan wrote:
> >From this discussion,what I have understood so far is events are
> generally like flags and a task who is sending is just setting a flag.A
> task who wishes to recieve it is going to pend checking for this flag
> and if the condition check is satisfied,its going to take necessary
> action.You can pend on more then one event using AND/OR combination.

The simplest and easiest difference is, handling events is explicitly
task's responsibilty (like waiting for event as a part of code flow
)while handling signals is not part of code flow. As already mentioned,
signals are software interrupts which are basically exceptional
conditions while
events are not. You should not use signals as interprocess
communication primitive. When you write signal handlers, they get
registered with the other software interrupt handlers by operating
system. But in case of events, operating system maintains separate data
structure like circular doubly linked list for events.

> Where as signals are software interrupts.If this is true,is it the case
> that the recieving task is not pending for this signal?Incase the
> reciever is not pending,how will the reciever get notification that a
> signal has been raised for him?I beleive there should be some flags
> present for checking the status of signals just like hardware
> interrupts.

As Discussed , reiterating the point, signals are software
interrupts.And they always run with higher priority than the task! The
interrupt handlers identify that the signal is generated for which
process and it will set a particulr bit in the PCB(process control
block) for that process.This basically happens when the process is
scheduled out to serve the ISR. While coming from the ISR, schedule
function will be invoked and it will first look for any ready for run
process with higher priority than the current one which was
interrupted. If the current process is the highest priority process
then it looks for any pending signal in the register. If it locates
that perticular bit is set, it looks whether the signal handler is
loaded by that task or not. If not then default signal handler will be
invoked and action will be taken.


> Now another question comes to mind is
> Are events synchronous and signals asynchronous?


Both are asynchronous but events can be made as sunchronous. Though
signals can be , I won't suggest as it is poor programming practice
which will reduce the performance!

> Incase we conclude signals are asynchronous,how does the reciever task
> know when it should jump to the signal handler?

I answered this above!


> Incase of hardware interrupts we have special registers to check status
> of interrupt.Is similar concept applicable to a signal?For eg to track
> whether a signal is in service,raised already etc?

I answered this above!

> It would be helpful if you could clarify this.
>
> Regards,
> s.subbarayan

Sagar wrote:
> ssubbarayan wrote:
> > > Now another question comes to mind is
> > Are events synchronous and signals asynchronous?
>
>
> Both are asynchronous but events can be made as sunchronous. Though
> signals can be , I won't suggest as it is poor programming practice
> which will reduce the performance!
>
This is from VxWorks API reference about its events:
"Events are a means of communication between tasks and interrupt
routines, based on a synchronous model. ..."

I understand this by thinking that the receiving tasks are pending on
the events. Also, events are not accumulated. If the current event is
not handled in time, the same event coming next will overwrite the
current one. However, unlike signals, an events may not have a default
handler (no receiving task assigned, i.e., one can define an event
without assigning a task to handle it).

Can you elaborate more why events are also asynchronous? Do you think
the synchronous model stating in the VxWorks reference manual is just
an implementation recommendation? Does anyone have the experience
of (or can anyone think of a case of) implementing the events in an
asynchronous way?

Frank wrote:
> Can you elaborate more why events are also asynchronous?

I think, I said they can be used as synchronous way of communication.
It is important how you use it!! Let me elaborate this. Consider a
thread taking an action based on the event. It doesn't bother who fires
this event. What is important is that it is waiting in a loop for the
event.
Now assume that this event is being fired when data is receieved from
I/O device! And the ISR handling this device will fire the event to
indicate that the data is in the buffer. What will you call this?
Asynchronous or synchronous? (though generally this way of design is
not considered as pertinent design!)The task will be in suspended state
till it doesn't receive the event!! Which the device only knows for how
much time it will in suspended state!!
What VxWorks manual enforces that events should be used as
inter process communication like to intimate the another task that it
has done something interesting for it and it is free to take the
action. So the task which was waiting for the event can come from
suspended state to ready queue and take the action.(This also is
basically done by the scheduler. In case of rate monotonic scheduler,
the implementation is different!) This is generally done as a periodic
action! Means one thread will generate the event and other thread will
take some action based on that event. Now if I design my thead to fire
the event in aperiodic manner, do you call it as synchronous? So that's
why I said, it is basically how you use it!

>Do you think the synchronous model stating in the VxWorks reference manual is just an implementation recommendation?

Exaclty!!

>Does anyone have the experience of (or can anyone think of a case of) implementing the events in an asynchronous way?

I think I gave one example above for this!

-----------
Sagar

Frank wrote:
> Can you elaborate more why events are also asynchronous?

I think, I said they can be used as synchronous way of communication.
It is important how you use it!! Let me elaborate this. Consider a
thread taking an action based on the event. It doesn't bother who fires
this event. What is important is that it is waiting in a loop for the
event.
Now assume that this event is being fired when data is receieved from
I/O device! And the ISR handling this device will fire the event to
indicate that the data is in the buffer. What will you call this?
Asynchronous or synchronous? (though generally this way of design is
not considered as pertinent design!)The task will be in suspended state
till it doesn't receive the event!! Which the device only knows for how
much time it will in suspended state!!
What VxWorks manual enforces that events should be used as
inter process communication like to intimate the another task that it
has done something interesting for it and it is free to take the
action. So the task which was waiting for the event can come from
suspended state to ready queue and take the action.(This also is
basically done by the scheduler. In case of rate monotonic scheduler,
the implementation is different!) This is generally done as a periodic
action! Means one thread will generate the event and other thread will
take some action based on that event. Now if I design my thead to fire
the event in aperiodic manner, do you call it as synchronous? So that's
why I said, it is basically how you use it!

>Do you think the synchronous model stating in the VxWorks reference manual is just an implementation recommendation?

Exaclty!!

>Does anyone have the experience of (or can anyone think of a case of) implementing the events in an asynchronous way?

I think I gave one example above for this!

-----------
Sagar

sorry for the same post again!!

Sagar wrote:
> ssubbarayan wrote:
> > >From this discussion,what I have understood so far is events are
> > generally like flags and a task who is sending is just setting a flag.A
> > task who wishes to recieve it is going to pend checking for this flag
> > and if the condition check is satisfied,its going to take necessary
> > action.You can pend on more then one event using AND/OR combination.
>
> The simplest and easiest difference is, handling events is explicitly
> task's responsibilty (like waiting for event as a part of code flow
> )while handling signals is not part of code flow. As already mentioned,
> signals are software interrupts which are basically exceptional
> conditions while
> events are not. You should not use signals as interprocess
> communication primitive. When you write signal handlers, they get
> registered with the other software interrupt handlers by operating
> system. But in case of events, operating system maintains separate data
> structure like circular doubly linked list for events.
>
> > Where as signals are software interrupts.If this is true,is it the case
> > that the recieving task is not pending for this signal?Incase the
> > reciever is not pending,how will the reciever get notification that a
> > signal has been raised for him?I beleive there should be some flags
> > present for checking the status of signals just like hardware
> > interrupts.
>
> As Discussed , reiterating the point, signals are software
> interrupts.And they always run with higher priority than the task! The
> interrupt handlers identify that the signal is generated for which
> process and it will set a particulr bit in the PCB(process control
> block) for that process.This basically happens when the process is
> scheduled out to serve the ISR. While coming from the ISR, schedule
> function will be invoked and it will first look for any ready for run
> process with higher priority than the current one which was
> interrupted. If the current process is the highest priority process
> then it looks for any pending signal in the register. If it locates
> that perticular bit is set, it looks whether the signal handler is
> loaded by that task or not. If not then default signal handler will be
> invoked and action will be taken.
>
>
> > Now another question comes to mind is
> > Are events synchronous and signals asynchronous?
>
>
> Both are asynchronous but events can be made as sunchronous. Though
> signals can be , I won't suggest as it is poor programming practice
> which will reduce the performance!

-----------

Sagar and others,
How can you say that signals are asynchronous?I can see that from a
sending tasks perspective you can raise a signal to any reciever
task.That means you know very well when you are going to send it and
and when the reciever is going to recieve it.Only way I can see it is
as asynchronous is from the recieving tasks perspective that ,it will
jump to signal handler rather then the tasks code.So If you know
already where its going to be sent and since you are not bothered about
the status of the recieving task when you are sending the signal,I
believe you are saying it as asynchronous from a recieving tasks
context.

Incase ,what I said above is true,then the recievers task is not going
to pend for it.So OS needs to keep on checking this particulr bit in
the tasks context every time a context switch happens.Are you sure this
happens?

Further I am seeing a call sigsuspend() which provides the facility of
a task to go in for suspension till a signal is raised to it.This I see
can be used to mimic the synchronous behaviour.

So Its not clear to me whether they are asynchronous or synchronous.
Can some one clarify me this?

Regards,
s.subbarayan

>
> > Incase we conclude signals are asynchronous,how does the reciever task
> > know when it should jump to the signal handler?
>
> I answered this above!
>
>
> > Incase of hardware interrupts we have special registers to check status
> > of interrupt.Is similar concept applicable to a signal?For eg to track
> > whether a signal is in service,raised already etc?
>
> I answered this above!
>
> > It would be helpful if you could clarify this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > s.subbarayan

Sagar wrote:
> Frank wrote:
> > Can you elaborate more why events are also asynchronous?
>
> I think, I said they can be used as synchronous way of communication.
> It is important how you use it!! Let me elaborate this. Consider a
> thread taking an action based on the event. It doesn't bother who fires
> this event. What is important is that it is waiting in a loop for the
> event.
> Now assume that this event is being fired when data is receieved from
> I/O device! And the ISR handling this device will fire the event to
> indicate that the data is in the buffer. What will you call this?
> Asynchronous or synchronous? (though generally this way of design is
> not considered as pertinent design!)The task will be in suspended state
> till it doesn't receive the event!! Which the device only knows for how
> much time it will in suspended state!!
> What VxWorks manual enforces that events should be used as
> inter process communication like to intimate the another task that it
> has done something interesting for it and it is free to take the
> action. So the task which was waiting for the event can come from
> suspended state to ready queue and take the action.(This also is
> basically done by the scheduler. In case of rate monotonic scheduler,
> the implementation is different!) This is generally done as a periodic
> action! Means one thread will generate the event and other thread will
> take some action based on that event. Now if I design my thead to fire
> the event in aperiodic manner, do you call it as synchronous? So that's
> why I said, it is basically how you use it!

I would like to say,the recieving task in this case need not
necessarily be suspended,it can be pended!
I will do something like this:
Sender task
{
.........
Raise event( event e1);
}

Reciever task
{

if (e1)

{
......
}
else
{
.....
}

(OR EVEN CHANGE IT LIKE THIS:
MAKE THE SENDER TASK PROVIDE A SEMAPHORE WHEN HE SENDS A EVENT AND MAKE
RECIEVER TASK PEND FOR HIM,AND WHEN HE RECIEVES IT,HE KNOWS EVENT HAS
HAPPENED AND TAKE NECESSARY ACTION.WHILE WHAT I SAID MAY DEFEAT THE
VERY PURPOSE
OF EVENT,THIS CAN BE PROVING THAT EVENTS ARE SYNCHRONOUS!)

}

This is just a pseudo code and does not reflect real API.
If you can see I can check at anypoint of time and take action in the
recieving task.Where as in case of signals you cannot check something
like this until you are able to gain access to the particular bit
stated by you which is present in the tasks context block.I dont know
and not sure whether such a thing is possible.
And also,even though the firing of event is asynchronous in the sense
you dont know when it will fire,the reciever is well aware when to
check for it.Where as in case of signals,you cant check it (according
to your own words!).
This verywell contradicts the fact that events are asynchronous!
Can you substantiate further on your statement?







>
> >Do you think the synchronous model stating in the VxWorks reference manual is just an implementation recommendation?
>
> Exaclty!!
>
> >Does anyone have the experience of (or can anyone think of a case of) implementing the events in an asynchronous way?
>
> I think I gave one example above for this!
>
> -----------
> Sagar

ssubbarayan wrote:
> Sagar and others,
> How can you say that signals are asynchronous?I can see that from a
> sending tasks perspective you can raise a signal to any reciever
> task.

I would like to explain the meaning from dictionary for the terms:

Synchronous: Occurring or existing at the same time or having the same
period or phase

Asynchronous: Not Synchronous

When we define something, it should not be inclined to a particular
thing but to the most general way so that it can be considered as a
standard!
So we should not define the words from task's perspective.

> That means you know very well when you are going to send it and
> and when the reciever is going to recieve it.Only way I can see it is
> as asynchronous is from the recieving tasks perspective that ,it will
> jump to signal handler rather then the tasks code. So If you know
> already where its going to be sent and since you are not bothered about
> the status of the recieving task when you are sending the signal,I
> believe you are saying it as asynchronous from a recieving tasks
> context.

First of all you can't raise signals to other processes as per my
knowledge of Linux / Unix!! Any user process is not allowed to raise
the signals for other process. Refer to raise man page! So I don't know
which case you are talking about.Only kernel can raise the signals to
the user processes!Either you can raise it through your part of code as
exception handling or kernel can raise it when we do some obnoxious
activity in the code.
If you elaborate this with practical example of raising signals for
other processes, I will think about it.

> Incase ,what I said above is true,then the recievers task is not going
> to pend for it.So OS needs to keep on checking this particulr bit in
> the tasks context every time a context switch happens.Are you sure this
> happens?

100 % sure!! Operating system will always first check for the signals
pending in the register before giving control to the application!

> Further I am seeing a call sigsuspend() which provides the facility of
> a task to go in for suspension till a signal is raised to it.This I see
> can be used to mimic the synchronous behaviour.

sigsuspend() description is

The sigsuspend() function shall replace the current signal mask of the
calling thread with the set of signals pointed to by sigmask and then
suspend the thread until delivery of a signal whose action is either to
execute a signal-catching function or to terminate the process. This
shall not cause any other signals that may have been pending on the
process to become pending on the thread.

If the action is to terminate the process then sigsuspend() shall never
return. If the action is to execute a signal-catching function, then
sigsuspend() shall return after the signal-catching function returns,
with the signal mask restored to the set that existed prior to the
sigsuspend() call.

It is not possible to block signals that cannot be ignored. This is
enforced by the system without causing an error to be indicated.
------

I don't know how this makes you to think like synchronous way of
signals!
Rather it proves that the time for receiving the signal is unknown
which is asynchronous!

Cheers,

Sagar

Sagar wrote:
> ssubbarayan wrote:
>
>>Sagar and others,
>>How can you say that signals are asynchronous?I can see that from a
>>sending tasks perspective you can raise a signal to any reciever
>>task.

It *is* from the recieving task's perspective.

> Synchronous: Occurring or existing at the same time or having the same
> period or phase
>
> Asynchronous: Not Synchronous
>
> When we define something, it should not be inclined to a particular
> thing but to the most general way so that it can be considered as a
> standard!
> So we should not define the words from task's perspective.

This is *not* true. Signals are analogous to interrupts. The source
of an interrupt may or may not be synchronized with the CPU receiving
the interrupt, but from the CPU's point-of-view, the interrupt may
happen at any time and therefore is asynchronous.

> First of all you can't raise signals to other processes as per my
> knowledge of Linux / Unix!! Any user process is not allowed to raise
> the signals for other process.

This is simply wrong. Signals may come from other processes.
(e.g. the *nix kill command.) Whether or not the sending process
has *permission* to send the signal to another process is another
issue.

>>Further I am seeing a call sigsuspend() which provides the facility of
>>a task to go in for suspension till a signal is raised to it.This I see
>>can be used to mimic the synchronous behaviour.

sigsuspend() allows the "task" to block until a signal is received
if the task has nothing better to do. In this case the task is
synchronizing with the asynchronous signal. Analogous to a CPU
going into a low power sleep state until an external
(asynchronous) interrupt wakes the CPU.



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Sagar wrote:
> ssubbarayan wrote:
> > Sagar and others,
> > How can you say that signals are asynchronous?I can see that from a
> > sending tasks perspective you can raise a signal to any reciever
> > task.
>
> I would like to explain the meaning from dictionary for the terms:
>
> Synchronous: Occurring or existing at the same time or having the same
> period or phase
>
> Asynchronous: Not Synchronous
>
> When we define something, it should not be inclined to a particular
> thing but to the most general way so that it can be considered as a
> standard!
> So we should not define the words from task's perspective.
>
> > That means you know very well when you are going to send it and
> > and when the reciever is going to recieve it.Only way I can see it is
> > as asynchronous is from the recieving tasks perspective that ,it will
> > jump to signal handler rather then the tasks code. So If you know
> > already where its going to be sent and since you are not bothered about
> > the status of the recieving task when you are sending the signal,I
> > believe you are saying it as asynchronous from a recieving tasks
> > context.
>
> First of all you can't raise signals to other processes as per my
> knowledge of Linux / Unix!! Any user process is not allowed to raise
> the signals for other process. Refer to raise man page! So I don't know
> which case you are talking about.Only kernel can raise the signals to
> the user processes!Either you can raise it through your part of code as
> exception handling or kernel can raise it when we do some obnoxious
> activity in the code.
> If you elaborate this with practical example of raising signals for
> other processes, I will think about it.

First of all I am talking about RTOS.I hope you are aware UNIX/LINUX
are not RTOS.Further In the case above I am referring to VXWORKS which
is a perfect RTOS.My very topic heading suggests I am talking about
RTOS.
I am sorry for not giving you information that I am talking about
Vxworks.Infact this post is cross posted to vxworks group also.
In vxworks we have a call by name Kill() which will help you to raise a
signal to other task.



>
> > Incase ,what I said above is true,then the recievers task is not going
> > to pend for it.So OS needs to keep on checking this particulr bit in
> > the tasks context every time a context switch happens.Are you sure this
> > happens?
>
> 100 % sure!! Operating system will always first check for the signals
> pending in the register before giving control to the application!

Ok incase thats true then some one should raise the signal to the
recieving task right?Who do you think is doing the job of setting the
bit?You mean OS does itself?Definitely I beg to differ you.May be I am
not getting proper explaination I should say.Can you let me know where
you got this information?

>
> > Further I am seeing a call sigsuspend() which provides the facility of
> > a task to go in for suspension till a signal is raised to it.This I see
> > can be used to mimic the synchronous behaviour.
>
> sigsuspend() description is
>
> The sigsuspend() function shall replace the current signal mask of the
> calling thread with the set of signals pointed to by sigmask and then
> suspend the thread until delivery of a signal whose action is either to
> execute a signal-catching function or to terminate the process. This
> shall not cause any other signals that may have been pending on the
> process to become pending on the thread.
>
> If the action is to terminate the process then sigsuspend() shall never
> return. If the action is to execute a signal-catching function, then
> sigsuspend() shall return after the signal-catching function returns,
> with the signal mask restored to the set that existed prior to the
> sigsuspend() call.

That may be true with UNIX,But in vxworks thats quite not the case.I am
giving here a transcript from Vxworks programmers manual:

_______________>Unix equivalent call for Vxworks
|
sigsuspend( ) pause( )--> Suspend a task until a signal is delivered.


>
> It is not possible to block signals that cannot be ignored. This is
> enforced by the system without causing an error to be indicated.
> ------
>
> I don't know how this makes you to think like synchronous way of
> signals!
> Rather it proves that the time for receiving the signal is unknown
> which is asynchronous!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sagar