Hi.
Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
Any comments on the product ?
[url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
Jan-Erik.
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Hi.
Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
Any comments on the product ?
[url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
Jan-Erik.
In article <Uy3Sk.3976$U5.25985@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:[color=blue]
>Hi.
>Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
>Any comments on the product ?
>
>[url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
>
>Jan-Erik.[/color]
Yes, but RaxcoSuport/CONTRL is better! ;)
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In article <Uy3Sk.3976$U5.25985@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:[color=blue]
>Hi.
>Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
>Any comments on the product ?
>
>[url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url][/color]
Worked fine for me on VAX in the early 1990s (and the part where I could take
over their terminals and type commands for them saved me a lot of time in
running around to pepole's offices). Since then has become irrelevant to
me most of my users access VMS resources through things that aren't terminals.
(Eg, web-based front ends, X windows applications, etc.)
-- Alan
Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi.
> Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
> Any comments on the product ?
>
> [url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
>[/color]
We have been using it for years on VAX, Alpha, and now Itanium.
Works as advertised and they have good support.
Shael
I'll second that...
[color=blue]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shael Richmond [mailto:ksrich@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 11:25
> To: [email]Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com[/email]
> Subject: Re: Peek&Spy anyone ?
>
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:[color=green]
> > Hi.
> > Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
> > Any comments on the product ?
> >
> > [url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
> >[/color]
> We have been using it for years on VAX, Alpha, and now Itanium.
> Works as advertised and they have good support.
>
>
> Shael[/color]
VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <Uy3Sk.3976$U5.25985@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:[color=green]
>> Hi.
>> Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
>> Any comments on the product ?
>>
>> [url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
>>
>> Jan-Erik.[/color]
>
> Yes, but RaxcoSuport/CONTRL is better! ;)
>[/color]
Completely mooth argument if I can't download
a demo directly. I've downloaded a 30-day demo
of Peek&Spy yesterday evening and had it up-n-running
in a few minutes. Is there something like that
for RaxcoSupport ? And I've still not heard anything
from anyone about RaxcoSupport (apart from some
info here on c.o.v). That makes it non-existant as
far as I'm concerned...
Jan-Erik.
Shael Richmond wrote:[color=blue]
> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi.
>> Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
>> Any comments on the product ?
>>
>> [url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
>>[/color]
> We have been using it for years on VAX, Alpha, and now Itanium.
> Works as advertised and they have good support.
>
>
> Shael[/color]
Fine.
I downloaded a copy (30-day demo) yesterday evening and
it seems to work well. In our case I want to use it to
"listen" to TNA and LTA connected production equipment
such as barcode readers and PLC's. So it's not normal
terminal based "users". In the test yesterday I used it
to "spy" on a FTA terminal created from an SSH session.
No particual problem apart from the default <ctrl-P> to
exit the spy session that opened the "print" dialog
in Reflection... :-)
OK, I'll await the sales dept of the compny to supply
me with prices...
Jan-Erik.
On Nov 10, 11:35*pm, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderh...@telia.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi.
> Anyone used Peek&Spy from "Networking Dynamics Corporation" ?
> Any comments on the product ?
>
> [url]http://networkingdynamics.com/Peek.htm[/url]
>
> Jan-Erik.[/color]
I would second Vaxman's suggestion of Raxco Control.
If you're looking for a cheap and cheerfull method, you can do this
with SET HOST :-
ALPHA_ROB$ sh log *weigh*
(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
"NTA$WEIGH" = "LTA9033:"
"NTA$WEIGHBAR" = "LTA9034:"
(LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)
ALPHA_ROB$
BETA_ROB$ set host /dte NTA$WEIGHBAR
%REM-S-END, control returned to node BETA
%SYSTEM-W-DEVALLOC, device already allocated to another user
BETA_ROB$ gim share
BETA_ROB$ set host /dte NTA$WEIGHBAR
%REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established
Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode
Quick update...
I've now runed a few tests with Peek&Spy.
The major problem right now is that is doesn't log
data going *in* to VMS if it isn't echo'ed back out.
Some security concern (not logging non-echoed passwords)
that I can understand, but that breaks my use of it...
What I need is something that would give the same logging
as if I had attached a RS232/serial line "sniffer" to
the actual terminal server port. That is, log everything
going in and out no matter the VMS terminal/device settings.
That's about Peek&Spy...
About CONTRL...
I'm currently trying to find a manual for CONTRL, the
[url]www.raxco.com[/url] site is *very* succesfull in hiding everything
having anything with VMS to do. They only wants to sell
Disk defraggers for Windows, as far as I understand from
the actual web site.
If someone could show me how to find anything VMS related
by clicking from [url]http://www.raxco.com/[/url] that would be nice.
Late update... !!
While writing this I got a couple of manuals mailed
directly from Raxco... Fine then, now into the manuals.
I will first see if the manual tells me something about
similar restrictions on the logging as Peek&Spy has. If not
I'll try in "live" and we'll see...
Thanks for listening...
Jan-Erik.
On Nov 11, 10:08*pm, Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderh...@telia.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
> Quick update...
>
> I've now runed a few tests with Peek&Spy.
>
> The major problem right now is that is doesn't log
> data going *in* to VMS if it isn't echo'ed back out.
>
> Some security concern (not logging non-echoed passwords)
> that I can understand, but that breaks my use of it...
>
> What I need is something that would give the same logging
> as if I had attached a RS232/serial line "sniffer" to
> the actual terminal server port. That is, log everything
> going in and out no matter the VMS terminal/device settings.
>
> That's about Peek&Spy...
>
> About CONTRL...
>
> I'm currently trying to find a manual for CONTRL, thewww.raxco.comsite is*very* succesfull in hiding everything
> having anything with VMS to do. They only wants to sell
> Disk defraggers for Windows, as far as I understand from
> the actual web site.
>
> If someone could show me how to find anything VMS related
> by clicking fromhttp://www.raxco.com/that would be nice.
>
> Late update... !!
>
> While writing this I got a couple of manuals mailed
> directly from Raxco... Fine then, now into the manuals.
>
> I will first see if the manual tells me something about
> similar restrictions on the logging as Peek&Spy has. If not
> I'll try in "live" and we'll see...
>
> Thanks for listening...
> Jan-Erik.[/color]
I'm pleasantly surprised by the lack of negative comments here. It's
been a *long* time since I had any involvement with systems using
Peek&Spy or similar, but I do remember various adverse effects, from
changing IO behaviour (maybe transparently to users, but not always so
transparently where machine<>machine comms was involved, which is what
you want), all the way down to repeatable system crashers (to the
extent that the support folks were reluctant to investigate crash
dumps which had evidence of terminal monitoring programs in use).
You mention using an actual serial comms analyser. I presume that's
not really practical for you?
In case CONTRL and Peek&Spy don't work out for your machine comms
needs: rather than intercepting the terminal driver IO, how about
something that decodes and logs the relevant Ethernet packets for you?
Is tcpdump available on your VMS systems, can it be made to do
anything like what you need? Both Multinet and HP stacks do have a
version of tcpdump, but I'm not aware of its detailed capabilities.
If tcpdump doesn't suit, how about a separate LAN-connected box with
Wireshark/Ethereal? There doesn't seem to be a VMS version just now,
but there are versions for many other OSes, including ones which you
will likely have around. Note that you must connect the Wireshark/
Ethereal box somewhere it will actually see the relevant packets
(cheap/dumb switches may not forward the traffic you want to the port
you're monitoring on).
Neither of these is as elegant as a traditional interactive terminal
monitoring application, but you're not really doing typical
interactive terminal monitoring.
In article <mnnSk.3993$U5.27083@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:[color=blue]
>Quick update...
>
>I've now runed a few tests with Peek&Spy.
>
>The major problem right now is that is doesn't log
>data going *in* to VMS if it isn't echo'ed back out.
>
>Some security concern (not logging non-echoed passwords)
>that I can understand, but that breaks my use of it...
>
>What I need is something that would give the same logging
>as if I had attached a RS232/serial line "sniffer" to
>the actual terminal server port. That is, log everything
>going in and out no matter the VMS terminal/device settings.
>
>That's about Peek&Spy...
>
>
>About CONTRL...
>
>I'm currently trying to find a manual for CONTRL, the
>[url]www.raxco.com[/url] site is *very* succesfull in hiding everything
>having anything with VMS to do. They only wants to sell
>Disk defraggers for Windows, as far as I understand from
>the actual web site.
>
>If someone could show me how to find anything VMS related
>by clicking from [url]http://www.raxco.com/[/url] that would be nice.
>
>Late update... !!
>
>While writing this I got a couple of manuals mailed
>directly from Raxco... Fine then, now into the manuals.
>
>I will first see if the manual tells me something about
>similar restrictions on the logging as Peek&Spy has. If not
>I'll try in "live" and we'll see...
>
>Thanks for listening...
>Jan-Erik.[/color]
If you have any specific questions re CONTRL, feel free to ask me.
--
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no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC)
Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside
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