In article
<4cf0d3d4-abca-4619-a656-f24d57fab1a6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
IanMiller wrote:

> SMGRTL patches are now MUP

Thanks for the update Ian.

--
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In article
<439d166b-5e38-4f8a-b7d4-f8535d1f9eb8@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
DaveG wrote:

> >
> > FWIW, I sent Ann Mc... a comment regarding the MUP Vs Install 1
> > thingie.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Got a reply. Was told the SMGRTL patch will become a MUP. Will also
> be included as such in the next release of OpenVMS.
>
> They listened.

Thanks Dave.

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On Aug 27, 9:42*am, "P. Sture" wrote:
> In article
> <439d166b-5e38-4f8a-b7d4-f8535d1f9...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>
> *DaveG wrote:
>
> > > FWIW, I sent Ann Mc... a comment regarding the MUP Vs Install 1
> > > thingie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Got a reply. *Was told the SMGRTL patch will become a MUP. *Will also
> > be included as such in the next release of OpenVMS.
>
> > They listened.
>
> Thanks Dave.
>
> --
> Paul Sture

Your welcome. And if you have 1:50 minutes to spare the following
might be instructive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmmHPE8EvA

Think Enterprise = OpenVMS and see how things shape up.

On Aug 27, 7:34*am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
Koehler) wrote:
> * *The released patches for Alpha and I64 have been re-released as
> * *MUPs.

And not only that, but if the summary text is correct, the
prerequisite of a recent UPDATE ECO kit has been lifted, at least on
Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.3 (haven't looked at the others yet). Only the
current PCSI patch is needed, so if this is correct the MUP can be
installed without even requiring a reboot on those systems which
weren't quite current on the UPDATE...

Nice. Got a few remote systems thats its hard to get onsites for.

Now where's the VAX ECOs? And perhaps a few kits for unsupported
versions as long as we're hoping...

Rich

FrankS wrote:
> On Aug 23, 7:15 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> My Rx was a little more than cheap reading glasses... not at $400!
>
> Yeah, the prescription glasses cost me $600, and I never use them.
> They had a "progressive" lens and my eyes just never got used to
> them. The cheapo reading glasses do a great job. I'm going to try
> traditional bifocals for driving and flying because the gps and
> instruments are starting to enter the fuzzy viewing range.

My FAA medical is stamped with "HOLDER SHALL POSSESS GLASSES WHICH
CORRECT NEAR", thus I keep a pair in my flight bag along with the
medical certificate. Seems they've been printing the sectional charts
with fuzzy ink of late... ;^)

On Sep 3, 1:31*pm, Marty Kuhrt wrote:
> My FAA medical is stamped with "HOLDER SHALL POSSESS GLASSES WHICH
> CORRECT NEAR", thus I keep a pair in my flight bag along with the
> medical certificate. *Seems they've been printing the sectional charts
> with fuzzy ink of late... *;^)

The AME warned me last time that he would have to put corrective
lenses on my medical at my next visit. I like the wording on what
you've got: "POSSESS" and not "WEAR".

The problem with leaving them in the flight bag is that putting them
on while wearing headsets is a real pain. That's why I'm going to
explore the bifocal sunglasses.

FYI: www.commander.org

On Sep 3, 2:55*pm, FrankS wrote:
> On Sep 3, 1:31*pm, Marty Kuhrt wrote:
>
> > My FAA medical is stamped with "HOLDER SHALL POSSESS GLASSES WHICH
> > CORRECT NEAR", thus I keep a pair in my flight bag along with the
> > medical certificate. *Seems they've been printing the sectional charts
> > with fuzzy ink of late... *;^)
>
> The AME warned me last time that he would have to put corrective
> lenses on my medical at my next visit. *I like the wording on what
> you've got: "POSSESS" and not "WEAR".
>
> The problem with leaving them in the flight bag is that putting them
> on while wearing headsets is a real pain. *That's why I'm going to
> explore the bifocal sunglasses.
>
> FYI: *www.commander.org

No offense and I am a wearer of glasses, but what does the subject of
glasses have to do with the SMGRTL issue?

Maybe I'm blind (with or without glasses) and simply can't see
it. ;-)

On Sep 3, 3:59*pm, DaveG wrote:
> No offense and I am a wearer of glasses, but what does the subject of
> glasses have to do with the SMGRTL issue?
>
> Maybe I'm blind (with or without glasses) and simply can't see
> it. *;-)- Hide quoted text -

You're right. This must be the first time a thread on c.o.v. has
strayed so far off topic (not). My apologies for the inconvenience.

:-)

In article <6a3ef5a1-e12e-4aa6-9235-05e957f99a11@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, FrankS writes:
>
> The AME warned me last time that he would have to put corrective
> lenses on my medical at my next visit. I like the wording on what
> you've got: "POSSESS" and not "WEAR".
>
> The problem with leaving them in the flight bag is that putting them
> on while wearing headsets is a real pain. That's why I'm going to
> explore the bifocal sunglasses.

I like my bifocal sunglasses. Back when my prescription was simple
the FAA kept correcting my medical from "glasses" to "lenses" and
yes, I enjoyed flying with my contacts in. But later on the FAA
stopped correcting my medical. And my optometrist says those
contact lense bifocals don't really work.

In article , Marty Kuhrt writes:
>FrankS wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 7:15 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> My Rx was a little more than cheap reading glasses... not at $400!
>>
>> Yeah, the prescription glasses cost me $600, and I never use them.
>> They had a "progressive" lens and my eyes just never got used to
>> them. The cheapo reading glasses do a great job. I'm going to try
>> traditional bifocals for driving and flying because the gps and
>> instruments are starting to enter the fuzzy viewing range.
>
>My FAA medical is stamped with "HOLDER SHALL POSSESS GLASSES WHICH
>CORRECT NEAR", thus I keep a pair in my flight bag along with the
>medical certificate. Seems they've been printing the sectional charts
>with fuzzy ink of late... ;^)

Lucky you. You can fly even though you can't see. After spending what
seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
It was fun while it lasted.

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On Sep 3, 6:51*pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> Lucky you. *You can fly even though you can't see. *After spending what
> seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
> fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
> It was fun while it lasted.

Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
getting that stuff figured out as well.

In article <8a7174d5-2cdf-4fcf-83b7-1f669147c3ca@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, FrankS writes:
>On Sep 3, 6:51=A0pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> Lucky you. =A0You can fly even though you can't see. =A0After spending wh=
>at
>> seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
>> fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
>> It was fun while it lasted.
>
>Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
>actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
>paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
>AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
>getting that stuff figured out as well.

Probably because they're not ID diabetics.

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On Sep 3, 8:08*pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> Probably because they're not ID diabetics. *

Hmmm... One of them brings along his meds and injects himself before
or after meals (I lose track). He has to check the sugar level before
each flight as well, to make sure it's within the limits. Those of us
that fly with him have gotten used to seeing him go through the pin
prick ritual to check sugar, followed by the little syringe and
injection into his belly.

ID? He takes insulin. He's legal to fly. That's all I know of his
illness.

> > Lucky you. *You can fly even though you can't see. *After spending what
> > seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
> > fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
> > It was fun while it lasted.
>
> Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
> actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
> paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
> AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
> getting that stuff figured out as well.

Way off-topic but...

I'm in Canada so none of this applies to people outside Canada but...

Two weeks ago I went for my aviation medical. I could still read the
smallest print in the book and the eye chart test gave me 20/15-2 so things
were looking good. But then the doctor said "What treatment are you on for
your diabetes?" After he saw the look on my face he said "Oh, by the way,
you have diabetes."

He said that since diabetic people could pass out while flying and since
Transport Canada does not like that happening he was going to hold my
medical until I had more detailed blood work done. He also added that if I
had a commercial license then it would be gone even without the detailed
blood work but as a private pilot I may get to keep my license "After much
letter writing."

Luckily the detailed blood work came back with the number just on the
borderline. The doctor said that there was no risk of me passing out and
gave me back the medical with the warning that there may still be questions
from Transport Canada. The family doctor says that if I drop 10 kg then I
should be fine.

I am very happy that I got to fly yesterday but one little test cost me my
license for a week and could have taken it away completely.

Peter Weaver
www.weaverconsulting.ca www.openvmsvirtualization.com
www.vaxvirtualization.com www.alphavirtualization.com
Winner of the 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Award for
System Management/Performance

In article <7df498d1-4897-4cf3-aed2-82385fcaa371@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, FrankS writes:
>On Sep 3, 8:08=A0pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> Probably because they're not ID diabetics. =A0
>
>Hmmm... One of them brings along his meds and injects himself before
>or after meals (I lose track). He has to check the sugar level before
>each flight as well, to make sure it's within the limits. Those of us
>that fly with him have gotten used to seeing him go through the pin
>prick ritual to check sugar, followed by the little syringe and
>injection into his belly.

The injection wouldn't be before he flies. I'd hope it's only before
a meal. I'd, personally and intentionally, keep myself sweet while I
was flying to avoid hypoglycemia.


>ID? He takes insulin. He's legal to fly. That's all I know of his
>illness.

Insulin Dependent. At the time, ID diabetics were not granted medical
waivers to fly. I'd googled this yesterday after posting and it does
appear that after jumping through some number of hoops, a diabetic can
get a pilots license. It wasn't so some 15+ years ago when I started
flight training. I'm too busy with other activities these days to be
bothered to persue it. At least, there is no restrction against hang
gliding and that beats plane flying anyday!
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In article , "Peter Weaver" writes:
>> > Lucky you. =A0You can fly even though you can't see. =A0After =
>spending what
>> > seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be =
>allowed to
>> > fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of =
>diabetes.
>> > It was fun while it lasted.
>>=20
>> Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
>> actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
>> paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
>> AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
>> getting that stuff figured out as well.
>
>Way off-topic but...
>
>I'm in Canada so none of this applies to people outside Canada but...
>
>Two weeks ago I went for my aviation medical. I could still read the
>smallest print in the book and the eye chart test gave me 20/15-2 so =
>things
>were looking good. But then the doctor said "What treatment are you on =
>for
>your diabetes?" After he saw the look on my face he said "Oh, by the =
>way,
>you have diabetes."
>
>He said that since diabetic people could pass out while flying and since
>Transport Canada does not like that happening he was going to hold my
>medical until I had more detailed blood work done. He also added that if =
>I
>had a commercial license then it would be gone even without the detailed
>blood work but as a private pilot I may get to keep my license "After =
>much
>letter writing."

The risk of "passing out" is from hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), not
from hyperglycemia (high blood sugar). The use of medication to treat
the hyperglycemia can often lead to hypoglycemia.



>Luckily the detailed blood work came back with the number just on the
>borderline. The doctor said that there was no risk of me passing out and
>gave me back the medical with the warning that there may still be =
>questions
>from Transport Canada. The family doctor says that if I drop 10 kg then =
>I
>should be fine.

Sounds like the Type II diabetes -- usually associated with obesity and
older aged persons. Losing a few lbs may stave off the inevitable but
once a diabetic always a diabetic. The only way to PROPERLY test for
hyperglycemia is a PROPERLY administered glucose tolerance test. Fast
for up to 12 hours, have a blood sugar drawn, swallow a specific amount
of a glucose solution and then have a blood sugar drawn again in some
length of time afterwards.



>I am very happy that I got to fly yesterday but one little test cost me =
>my
>license for a week and could have taken it away completely.

Good luck. FWIW, if you should be prescribed medication, specifically,
oral meds (not the sulfonaureas), look into their history. Several of
the newer anti-diabetic oral agents have been reported to have problems
which may outweigh their benefits.

Maybe I'll move to Canada where I can get insulin without a prescription.
The powers that be here in the states require a prescription to obtain a
live saving medication. I went for over a week 2 months ago without my
insulin because the pharmacy hadn't received a prescription renewal for
my insulin and I was going away. I lived on water and tums for 8 days
to keep my blood sugar in check -- and NO BEER too.

In the prople's republic of New Jermany, drug addicts can get syringes
free from the state but I, as a diabetic, need a prescription to obtain
them. Maybe I should take up methamphetamine.
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Peter Weaver wrote:
>>> Lucky you. You can fly even though you can't see. After spending what
>>> seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
>>> fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
>>> It was fun while it lasted.
>> Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
>> actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
>> paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
>> AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
>> getting that stuff figured out as well.
>
> Way off-topic but...
>
> I'm in Canada so none of this applies to people outside Canada but...
>
> Two weeks ago I went for my aviation medical. I could still read the
> smallest print in the book and the eye chart test gave me 20/15-2 so things
> were looking good. But then the doctor said "What treatment are you on for
> your diabetes?" After he saw the look on my face he said "Oh, by the way,
> you have diabetes."
>
> He said that since diabetic people could pass out while flying and since
> Transport Canada does not like that happening he was going to hold my
> medical until I had more detailed blood work done. He also added that if I
> had a commercial license then it would be gone even without the detailed
> blood work but as a private pilot I may get to keep my license "After much
> letter writing."
>
> Luckily the detailed blood work came back with the number just on the
> borderline. The doctor said that there was no risk of me passing out and
> gave me back the medical with the warning that there may still be questions
> from Transport Canada. The family doctor says that if I drop 10 kg then I
> should be fine.
>
> I am very happy that I got to fly yesterday but one little test cost me my
> license for a week and could have taken it away completely.
>

This sounds like "Type 2" diabetes for which you can take medication
other than insulin. The available medications fall into two classes.
The first stimulates insulin production. This can give you hypoglycemia
with a vengeance! The second type increases your sensitivity to what
insulin you can produce; hypoglycemia is still possible but the risk is
MUCH lower.

When your blood glucose drops below sixty you are in trouble; the lower
your sugar goes below that, the deeper in trouble you are. It's called
hypoglycemic shock. It can cause you to lose consciousness or even die.
Even if you don't lose consciousness, you aren't functioning very well,
physically or mentally.

I've been there ONCE, three or four days after I was diagnosed. I had
been given a prescription for oral medication, took the stuff as
directed and found myself feeling shocky. I treated myself to a tall
glass of real (not diet) Coca-Cola and called my doctor. When I told
the receptionist why I was calling she got the doctor on line in about
thirty seconds. The doctor said "Don't take any more of that stuff!" He
asked for the phone number of my pharmacy and phoned in a new prescription.

In article <00A7F17E.79A40B29@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>
> Lucky you. You can fly even though you can't see. After spending what
> seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
> fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
> It was fun while it lasted.

Just to be clear for the general population: some, but not all,
diabetics can get restricted medicals that will allow them to
act as private pilots, but not as airline transport pilots.

Other details left out as only us flyers would be interested.

In article <00A7F1E3.86290837@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:

> Insulin Dependent. At the time, ID diabetics were not granted medical
> waivers to fly. I'd googled this yesterday after posting and it does
> appear that after jumping through some number of hoops, a diabetic can
> get a pilots license. It wasn't so some 15+ years ago when I started
> flight training. I'm too busy with other activities these days to be
> bothered to persue it. At least, there is no restrction against hang
> gliding and that beats plane flying anyday!
> --

You know you can exersize the privileges of Sport Pilot (a new
classification) without a medical as long as you have never actually
failed a medical and are in good enough health so that you hold a
drivers license?

In article <2Jydndxz-Ij6QSLVnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes:
>Peter Weaver wrote:
>>>> Lucky you. You can fly even though you can't see. After spending what
>>>> seemed like a small fortune, I was told that I would never be allowed to
>>>> fly on my own, let alone possess a pilot's license because of diabetes.
>>>> It was fun while it lasted.
>>> Not necessarily the case. I know two pilots with diabetes that
>>> actively fly (certified, not experimental or LSA). There's more
>>> paperwork involved, but it can be done. You need to find the right
>>> AME that has been through it already. AOPA is a great resource for
>>> getting that stuff figured out as well.
>>
>> Way off-topic but...
>>
>> I'm in Canada so none of this applies to people outside Canada but...
>>
>> Two weeks ago I went for my aviation medical. I could still read the
>> smallest print in the book and the eye chart test gave me 20/15-2 so things
>> were looking good. But then the doctor said "What treatment are you on for
>> your diabetes?" After he saw the look on my face he said "Oh, by the way,
>> you have diabetes."
>>
>> He said that since diabetic people could pass out while flying and since
>> Transport Canada does not like that happening he was going to hold my
>> medical until I had more detailed blood work done. He also added that if I
>> had a commercial license then it would be gone even without the detailed
>> blood work but as a private pilot I may get to keep my license "After much
>> letter writing."
>>
>> Luckily the detailed blood work came back with the number just on the
>> borderline. The doctor said that there was no risk of me passing out and
>> gave me back the medical with the warning that there may still be questions
>> from Transport Canada. The family doctor says that if I drop 10 kg then I
>> should be fine.
>>
>> I am very happy that I got to fly yesterday but one little test cost me my
>> license for a week and could have taken it away completely.
>>
>
>This sounds like "Type 2" diabetes for which you can take medication
>other than insulin. The available medications fall into two classes.
>The first stimulates insulin production. This can give you hypoglycemia
>with a vengeance! The second type increases your sensitivity to what
>insulin you can produce; hypoglycemia is still possible but the risk is
>MUCH lower.
>
>When your blood glucose drops below sixty you are in trouble; the lower
>your sugar goes below that, the deeper in trouble you are. It's called
>hypoglycemic shock. It can cause you to lose consciousness or even die.
>Even if you don't lose consciousness, you aren't functioning very well,
>physically or mentally.

I've been as low as 30 and didn't know it. After years of hypoglycemic
episodes, it becomes more and more difficult to know one has low blood
sugar.


>I've been there ONCE, three or four days after I was diagnosed. I had
>been given a prescription for oral medication, took the stuff as
>directed and found myself feeling shocky. I treated myself to a tall
>glass of real (not diet) Coca-Cola and called my doctor. When I told
>the receptionist why I was calling she got the doctor on line in about
>thirty seconds. The doctor said "Don't take any more of that stuff!" He
>asked for the phone number of my pharmacy and phoned in a new prescription.

Ginger ale is better. Coke's caffeine isn't a great idea.
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