Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system - VMS

This is a discussion on Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system - VMS ; On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:55:00 -0700, wrote: > "Tom Linden" wrote on 08/29/2007 01:28:41 PM: > >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:06:04 -0700, wrote: >> >> > I'm a computer-assisted reporting specialist at a newspaper in Nevada >> ...

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  1. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:55:00 -0700, wrote:

    > "Tom Linden" wrote on 08/29/2007 01:28:41 PM:
    >
    >> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:06:04 -0700, wrote:
    >>
    >> > I'm a computer-assisted reporting specialist at a newspaper in Nevada
    >> > -- my beat is essentially data mining in the public realm. I'm in the
    >> > middle of negotiations for inspection records kept by the local health
    >> > district in a VAX minicomputer that probably runs VMS. They are
    >> > basically telling me that their system has no way of exporting data
    >> > that's been entered over the years, which I find highly unlikely.
    >> > Their IT department probably (a) doesn't know how or (b) just doesn't
    >> > feel like it and hopes that this response will make me go away.
    >> >
    >> > All I want is a dump of these records into a file -- ideally as ASCII
    >> > text, fixed-width or character-delimited. I've talked to some
    >> > colleagues who have had limited VAX/VMS experience and have been told
    >> > this is entirely possible: "They should definitely be able to get the
    >> > data out, they might want to send it on a tape format, but unless
    >> > they've got some really bizarre system, they should be able to copy it
    >> > to some physical device or they can probably transfer it over a
    >> > network to some other system to copy the data on to."
    >> >
    >> > Even if they have to dump it to reel-to-reel tapes or cartridges, I
    >> > have a consultant in Missouri with equipment to transfer it to a
    >> > different medium.
    >> >
    >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Specific information like:
    >> > - Further things to find out about their VAX computer
    >> > - Commands to transfer this data out of the system in a usable format
    >> >
    >> > If I'm just out of luck and will have to spend hours building my own
    >> > database from paper documents, I'd like to know that too.
    >> >

    >> They are giving you the run-around, there is likely many different ways

    > to
    >> extract the data, the method chosen depends on how it is stored.

    >
    > Tom is of course correct on all points.
    >
    > If the data is in a flat file, exporting it is easiest.
    > If the data is encoded or in a database, some programming
    > may be needed to reformat it.
    >
    > They may be saying there is no utility program supplied with their system
    > to do this, but that is a far cry from making the task impossible.
    >
    > It comes down to resources, one of which is expertise.
    >
    > Getting it "off" the system is another eminently meetable challenge.
    >
    > The div'l'z in th' details.


    Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying threads
    by
    indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?

    >
    >>
    >> > Thank you,
    >> >
    >> > Alex Richards
    >> > CAR Specialist
    >> > Las Vegas Sun
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> PL/I for OpenVMS
    >> www.kednos.com




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  2. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    In article ,
    "Tom Linden" writes:
    > On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:55:00 -0700, wrote:
    >
    >> The div'l'z in th' details.

    >
    > Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying threads
    > by
    > indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?


    My guess would be because his message has no "References:" header
    and appears as a new thread. :-) How or why he did this is anyone's
    guess.

    bill

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  3. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    On 2007-08-29 20:13, "Tom Linden" wrote:

    > Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying threads
    > by
    > indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?


    I don't know Opera -- but there is *no* "References:" header at all in
    that posting which made its way through Info-VAX.

    Michael

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  4. Info-VAX (was Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system)

    On 08/29/07 15:22, Michael Unger wrote:
    > On 2007-08-29 20:13, "Tom Linden" wrote:
    >
    >> Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying threads
    >> by
    >> indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?

    >
    > I don't know Opera -- but there is *no* "References:" header at all in
    > that posting which made its way through Info-VAX.


    Actually, there is. The Info-VAX maintainer fixed it a couple of
    weeks ago.

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    Jefferson LA USA

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    Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

  5. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    In article , "Tom Linden" writes:
    >
    > Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying threads
    > by
    > indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?


    An Opera bug? anunews didn't have any problem finding Norm's reply
    as the next in thread.


  6. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:10:07 -0700, Bob Koehler
    wrote:

    > In article , "Tom Linden"
    > writes:
    >>
    >> Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying
    >> threads
    >> by
    >> indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?

    >
    > An Opera bug? anunews didn't have any problem finding Norm's reply
    > as the next in thread.
    >

    Don't think so.


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  7. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    Tom Linden wrote:
    > On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:10:07 -0700, Bob Koehler
    > wrote:
    >
    >> In article , "Tom Linden"
    >> writes:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying
    >>> threads
    >>> by
    >>> indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?

    >>
    >>
    >> An Opera bug? anunews didn't have any problem finding Norm's reply
    >> as the next in thread.
    >>

    > Don't think so.
    >
    >

    Everything looked properly threaded to me (Mozilla on VMS).



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  8. Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system

    In article ,
    John Santos writes:
    > Tom Linden wrote:
    >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 06:10:07 -0700, Bob Koehler
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article , "Tom Linden"
    >>> writes:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Norm, I use Opera which has a pretty good newsreader, displaying
    >>>> threads
    >>>> by
    >>>> indentation, but your reply appears as a new thread. Why is that?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> An Opera bug? anunews didn't have any problem finding Norm's reply
    >>> as the next in thread.
    >>>

    >> Don't think so.
    >>
    >>

    > Everything looked properly threaded to me (Mozilla on VMS).


    I have put up a graphical representation of the thread as it exists
    now on my web page (generated by my newsreader).
    http://www.cs.uofs.edu/~bill/Thread.jpg

    If you look you will see that Norm's messages are "threaded" by the
    subject, but not included within the thread it self each one starting
    a new thread within this subject. For whatever reason, the References:
    header has been removed thus making the message part of the subject
    line but not threaded based on it's references to other messages but
    merely by the date/time it was posted. I will leave it to others to
    determine how to fix this as I do not even know what he is using to
    read/post news. I suspect he is doing it thru Info-VAX and I have no
    idea how that might affect what headers are preserved and which are
    lost.

    bill
    (Who has been administering real News Sites since we did this using UUCP.)


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