In article ,
Sebastian Hanigk wrote:

> "P. Sture" writes:
>
> > Yes, and if you understand it, the German version of "Das Boot" is
> > better than the English one.
>
> Which -- with some notable exceptions (X-Files, anyone?) -- ties quite
> nicely into the notion that consuming original material is usually the
> better choice :-)
>

Indeed :-)

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In article <4811150B.8020200@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes:
>
> OK - what makes it a "Boston" pecan pie? Made by two unrelated women
> who live together? :-)

I don't know. Perhaps it had too much bourbon in it for Bourbon
Street.

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article ,
> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>> In article <6718lhF2m4eapU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>> Somebody tell me again how DOD is one of VMS's biggest customers!
>> I'm, sorry, we were unable to ascertain need to know.
>
> This red herring is getting as tired as Kerry's "5-20 patches" mantra.

It seems obvious to me that DoD has VMS systems.

They must have hundreds of thousands of servers running.

Acquired and configured during a number of decades.

There has to be lot of those systems acquired between the
early 80's and mid 90's.

And a good portion of those system must have been
VMS systems.

And I don't believe that they have replaced all of them.

Systems tend to keep running and running forever.

> How many times do I have to tell you, I am on the inside.

It is not my impression that the entire DoD is a transparent
organization with good overview of everything.

> I know there are still VMS systems in existance. But they
> appear to be the very best examples of legacy systems. They run one
> or two fixed programs. They see no new development and very limited
> maintenance (probably due to a fear that anything done may result in
> breaking the running application.)

I think that description fit a huge portion of all remaining VMS
systems. DoD or non-DoD.

Arne

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article ,
> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>> In article <673tb7F2lqjjfU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>> In article ,
>>> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>>>> In article <6718lhF2m4eapU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>>> Somebody tell me again how DOD is one of VMS's biggest customers!
>>>> I'm, sorry, we were unable to ascertain need to know.
>>> This red herring is getting as tired as Kerry's "5-20 patches" mantra.
>>> How many times do I have to tell you, I am on the inside.
>> Tired of the facts becaudse you can't make them go away? Everyone
>> one the inside knows about need to know. You job as a subject
>> matter expert is limitted to those subjects they want to be able to
>> ask you about.
>
> Bob, this is just getting funnier all the time. "Need to know"
> applies to classified information. VMS is not classified.

The fact that VMS is not a secret OS (even though it can be argued
that DEC/CPQ/HP marketing have tried to make it so) does not imply
that the existence of all system running VMS are not secret.

Arne

Arne Vajhøj wrote:

> The fact that VMS is not a secret OS (even though it can be argued
> that DEC/CPQ/HP marketing have tried to make it so) does not imply
> that the existence of all system running VMS are not secret.

Those secret VMS DOD systems that "don't exist" may still be bringing HP
some revenu, but they don't help attract new ISVs nor do they help
shore up VMS' image because they "don't exist".

Those secret system might still benefit normal VMS systems though. Say
the "non existant" DOD systems still pay maintenant to Tom Linden for
PL1, it means that normal customers benefit from PL1 continuing to be
available on Alpha/VAX VMS.

IF DOD demanded PL1 on those IA64 contraptions, HP would go through
hoops and loops with Intel to give Mr Linden access to the GEM backend.

So lack of PL1 on IA64 is an indication that DOD isn't using PL1 on IA64.

What would benefit VMS greatly is if DOD were to admit that they are
still developing NEW applications on VMS.

If all they got left are mature VMS systems that are just being
maintained with no new VMS development of new apps/systems, then it is
just a matter of time before they are eventually replaced. And systems
that are just on maintanance don't generate much to the VMS ecosystems
in terms of buying new applications and supporting/attracting new ISVs.

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:25:32 -0700, JF Mezei
wrote:

> So lack of PL1 on IA64 is an indication that DOD isn't using PL1 on IA64.

Some of them are just now coverting from VAX to Alpha!

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In article <6795a6F2npagmU2@mid.individual.net>,
Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>In article <480f23a1$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>> In article <677i8hF2k0pq2U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu
>(Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>
>When I am not on active duty I do my military duty in Gettysburg. Perkins
>is the only place open early enough and with service fast enough for me to
>have breakfast before I have to report to work. And I am definitely a
>breakfast person. Of course, a Denny's would be better. :-)

I knew there was somewhere we see eye to eye.

One thing about Field Service in the Central NJ area... especially on
2nd and third shift.

You grow to appreciate NJ Diners and places that serve 24x7.
There was this little waffle-house-like place near Lawrenceville I
remember near Naval Air Propulsion... Boy... I remember it more than
the 11/70 they had.

>Now we can start a new thread on where to eat when yu are in the middle of
> nowhere.
>
>bill
>
>
>--
>Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
>billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
>University of Scranton |
>Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include

Lousy nuked burrito's in the 7-11 by I-195 near Trenton.
Field Service breakfast of champions on my way home at 3AM along with a
Big Gulp or Slurpee and a bag of Doritos. No wonder I couldn't wait to
get off second shift and quit DEC eventially to do it.


Bill
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Alex ****ell wrote:
> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>> Perkins and Denny's can't touch the quality of the food.
>>> They are fine for bacon and eggs.
>> ...but no scrapple!
>
> Sorry - Brit here who used VAXen when at Nottingham Poly (now a Notes
> admin) - but what, pray tell, is scrapple?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple

:-) Csaba

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P. Sture wrote:
> In article <6794vnF2npagmU1@mid.individual.net>,
> billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>> It's "das Boot", not "das boat". So, anyone remember the movie of
>> the
>> same name? :-)
> Yes, and if you understand it, the German version of "Das Boot" is
> better than the English one.

Nah - gimme the miniseries any day... but yes, in German 5:1 with
English subs - the way I remember in when broadcast on BBC2 back when
i saw it first...

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Reading, Berks, UK
al****ell AT eclipse DOT co DOT uk

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> Perkins and Denny's can't touch the quality of the food.
>>They are fine for bacon and eggs.
> ...but no scrapple!

Sorry - Brit here who used VAXen when at Nottingham Poly (now a Notes
admin) - but what, pray tell, is scrapple?

Alex

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Reading, Berks, UK
al****ell AT eclipse DOT co DOT uk

Alex ****ell wrote:
> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>> Perkins and Denny's can't touch the quality of the food.
>>> They are fine for bacon and eggs.
>> ...but no scrapple!
>
> Sorry - Brit here who used VAXen when at Nottingham Poly (now a Notes
> admin) - but what, pray tell, is scrapple?
>
> Alex
>

Scrapple is a sausage-like substance made from corn meal, fat, meat, and
seasonings. I believe it originated with the Pennsylvania Dutch.