On 7 Jan, 21:41, "flaming...@hotmail.com"
wrote:
> hi folks.
>
> We're looking at using Tivoli TSM on out ALPHA ES-45 boxes.
> Is anyone using it currently? If so, how do you like it ? Any got'chas
> to be aware of?
>
> currently, we're doing a weekly VMS backup to create the savesets,
> then FTP'g to our corporate TSM host for eventual off-site storage.
>
> We want to use the TSM on VMS to sent the savesets off-site from the
> ALPHA and to elimiate the FTP process. *The FTP process currently take
> an additional 5-6 hours beyond the creating the saveset. *Yes, these
> savesets are quite large.
>
> Thanks ! *Ann

One of our clients in my day-to-day work uses TSM for everything and
they're happy with it. At the moment, everything else that we're
interested in on our client's behalf emails out its log files but the
VMS system backup doesn't which doesn't fill me with confidence.

As ever with a situation like this, you need to be sure that you can
get the system back and that may mean from raw iron - no O/S, no
catalogue of what you've backed up or when. VMS Backup is safe
because you can restore it from a booted VMS CD/DVD. Nothing else
gives you that flexibility, whether it be disk to disk or disk to
tape.

Let the buyer beware.

etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 7 Jan, 21:41, "flaming...@hotmail.com"
> wrote:
>> hi folks.
>>
>> We're looking at using Tivoli TSM on out ALPHA ES-45 boxes.

You are talking about the ABS client for TSM, right ?
Or are there other VMS tools for Tivoli TMS ?

I have installed it an a couple of boxes, and I was
surpriced about the level of VMS compatibility.

And I also like how ABS/TMS takes incremental backups
but automaticly merge them with the "disk image" on the
TSM server so there is always a full image backup
available. The full nightly update of the TSM disk
image takes just few minutes on disks with 20-30 G
of data.

And also, the ability of the TSM server to keep deleted
files (that is, deleted from the VMS system) for a specifed
number of days, I think 180 days was the setup in this
TSM environment, was a nice feature. It's justa simple
ABS command to pull back an deleted file up to 180
days later. With full VMS file syntax incl file-versions
of course.

The main problem is that you have to have the ABS client
installed on a working system before you can access your
backups. On the other hand, if you have more then one
VMS system, another VMS system (with ABS) can be used
to make a image restore of the system disk from the
crashed system, and then moved over to the target system.
Just remember to set it up in advance for your systems
to access each others backups.

Jan-Erik.

>> Is anyone using it currently? If so, how do you like it ? Any got'chas
>> to be aware of?
>>
>> currently, we're doing a weekly VMS backup to create the savesets,
>> then FTP'g to our corporate TSM host for eventual off-site storage.
>>
>> We want to use the TSM on VMS to sent the savesets off-site from the
>> ALPHA and to elimiate the FTP process. The FTP process currently take
>> an additional 5-6 hours beyond the creating the saveset. Yes, these
>> savesets are quite large.
>>
>> Thanks ! Ann
>
> One of our clients in my day-to-day work uses TSM for everything and
> they're happy with it. At the moment, everything else that we're
> interested in on our client's behalf emails out its log files but the
> VMS system backup doesn't which doesn't fill me with confidence.
>
> As ever with a situation like this, you need to be sure that you can
> get the system back and that may mean from raw iron - no O/S, no
> catalogue of what you've backed up or when. VMS Backup is safe
> because you can restore it from a booted VMS CD/DVD. Nothing else
> gives you that flexibility, whether it be disk to disk or disk to
> tape.
>
> Let the buyer beware.

Been using the Tivoli client ABC from Storserver for many years to
backup my VMS systems. It works very well. The only catch is you
need to have the software loaded on a system to be able to restore
your system disk. You also need to be aware of your file retentiion
on the Tivoli server. With VMS's file versions you can take up a lot
of extra space on Tivoli.

http://www.storsol.com/main.cfm?menu...bcoverview.cfm

etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk has brought this to us :
> On 7 Jan, 21:41, "flaming...@hotmail.com"
> wrote:
>> hi folks.
>>
>> We're looking at using Tivoli TSM on out ALPHA ES-45 boxes.
>> Is anyone using it currently? If so, how do you like it ? Any got'chas
>> to be aware of?
>>
>> currently, we're doing a weekly VMS backup to create the savesets,
>> then FTP'g to our corporate TSM host for eventual off-site storage.
>>
>> We want to use the TSM on VMS to sent the savesets off-site from the
>> ALPHA and to elimiate the FTP process. *The FTP process currently take
>> an additional 5-6 hours beyond the creating the saveset. *Yes, these
>> savesets are quite large.
>>
>> Thanks ! *Ann
>
> One of our clients in my day-to-day work uses TSM for everything and
> they're happy with it. At the moment, everything else that we're
> interested in on our client's behalf emails out its log files but the
> VMS system backup doesn't which doesn't fill me with confidence.
>
> As ever with a situation like this, you need to be sure that you can
> get the system back and that may mean from raw iron - no O/S, no
> catalogue of what you've backed up or when. VMS Backup is safe
> because you can restore it from a booted VMS CD/DVD. Nothing else
> gives you that flexibility, whether it be disk to disk or disk to
> tape.
>
> Let the buyer beware.

Isolated systems might indeed be a problem in that case, but if you
happen to have more than one system and/or a SAN, then it is easy to
have a spare system disk with the ABS client already installed, and
boot that one in case your main system disk has been zapped; or just
reconnect your system disk LUN to another machine and do the restore
from there.

Until now, we have stuck to the SLS/DCSC/ACSLS/Powderhorn combination
to do or backups, because of this advantage of using the native VMS
backup format. But this was an old habit, the flexibility offered by
SANs makes that requirement obsolete now. So, with SLS not getting
ported to IA64, I think our best bet will be to use the Symantec
Netbackup client and send the backups to the Unix media servers...

--
Marc Van Dyck