Steven M. Schweda wrote:
> From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net"
>
>>I picked up a VAXstation/server 2000 with a RD54. After loading 7.3/
>>DECwindows/UCX 4.2 I am down to less then 80000 blocks free. I never
>>used VMStailor to free up space on a system disk, so is there a guide
>>on how to use VMStailor? I dont really know what is safe to remove or
>>keep.
>
>
> How'd you get so much free space? Mine has two RD54 disks with VMS
> V5.5-2, and I'm pretty sure that it has less free space. (Must be the
> compilers and the big page file(s)?) I never tailored off anything, but
> then I hate throwing anything away. Maybe you need to install Motif.
>
>
>>Also if anybody wants to take this bad boy off my hands, make me a
>>offer.
>
>
> A working RD54 should be good for a few hundred dollars on eBay. I'm
> always looking for a (free/cheap) 12MB memory board for mine. With only
> 6MB, it's hard to avoid over-using the slow disks.
>
> From: "Richard B. Gilbert"
>
>>[...] It was, if not the slowest
>>VAX ever made, quite close to it! [...]
>
>
> I'd expect it to beat any 7XX, where XX < 80, unless you make it use
> the disk for much. "http://antinode.org/dec/vs2000_spec.html":
>
> MICROVAX 2000 SPECIFICATIONS
>
> PARAMETER VALUE rev date:7/6/89
> ================================================== ============================
> Relative CPU performance (VAX780 = 1.0) > .9
> [...]
>
>
> The thing's not even twenty years old yet. How slow can it be?
>
>
>>Unless you have the expansion box you can't connect a tape drive to it
>>so it's a little difficult to back it up.
>
>
> Make a cable? The disk cabling is a bit complicated
> ("http://antinode.org/dec/disk_cable.html"), but, as I recall, the
> (near-SCSI) tape cable is simple enough. (How many 1.2MB floppies would
> it take to do a 159MB disk? Some people are so quick to find problems.)
>
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>
> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org
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All right! Only the VAX 11/750, 11/730, 11/725 and, perhaps, the
MicroVAX I were slower. It's pretty sorry company to be in! I had a
number of VAXen at Princeton including: two VAXstation 2000, VAX 11/750,
MicroVAX II, VAX 8200, VAXSstation 3100, VAXStation II, etc. I can't
really say I miss them. They were great in their day but their day is
long gone! The intervening twenty-three years have spoiled me rotten;
I've grown used to getting my prompt back before I can go to the
refrigirator for a fresh Coke!

A working antique is worth a lot more than just an antique used as a
door stop.

In terms of the original question:

-compress libraries first.
-remove programming support (I think this is now the "optional" stuff.

To deal with decwindows, it is DECW$TAILOR you need to use.

In article <47804118.3050705@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes:
>{...snip..}
>
>All right! Only the VAX 11/750, 11/730, 11/725 and, perhaps, the
>MicroVAX I were slower. It's pretty sorry company to be in! I had a
>number of VAXen at Princeton including: two VAXstation 2000, VAX 11/750,
>MicroVAX II, VAX 8200, VAXSstation 3100, VAXStation II, etc. I can't
>really say I miss them. They were great in their day but their day is
>long gone! The intervening twenty-three years have spoiled me rotten;
>I've grown used to getting my prompt back before I can go to the
>refrigirator for a fresh Coke!

Lay off that Coke stuff. It's bad!

Just how much *are* RD54s going for on ebay?

As for response, while computers in the past 20 years were speeding up
according to Moore's Law, the software they run was bloating at a rate
proportional to 1/(Moore's Law). In the case of Micro$oft, that would
be more like 1/[(Moore's Law)**n]

There are certain tasks that I can perform _much_ faster on an old VAX
than I can on the newest GUI slicked out apps on the latest processors.
If the apps are on a Micro$oft box, don't forget to factor in mandatory
reboots when configuring and supplying input to said apps. {1}




{1} No less than 9 reboots over NYD to change some TCP/IP and security
settings on a Weendoze box. I don't see why Weendoze forces a reboot
for a TCP/IP setting but at least let me batch all of the changes and
reboot only once.

Greetings Professor Faulken...
Weendoze! The only winning move is not to plug-and-pray.




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