billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote on 12/13/2007 02:10:27 PM:

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> > moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote on 12/13/2007
> > 12:23:36 PM:
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> >> norm.raphael@metso.com writes:
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> >> >moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote on

12/13/2007
> >> >08:52:23 AM:
> >>
> >> >> In article , VAXman-

@SendSpamHere.ORG
> >> >writes:
> >> >> > In article <47607D71.2040505@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert"
> >> >> writes:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Rich Jordan wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Dec 12, 1:55 pm, "B H" wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>

>
>>>>>>http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/...D=/20071212/NE...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thats just too bad. Given a choice between New Hampshire and
> >> >> >>> taxachussetts, a state that gives Ill-annoy a run for the

"most
> >> >> >>> incompetent and corrupt" title, I know where I'd prefer to

live
> > and
> >> >> >>> work... That and I got to visit that facility a couple of

> > times...
> >> >it
> >> >> >>> feels like more of a loss because of those trips.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I thought everyone knew that New Jersey is the "most incompetent


> > and
> >> >> >>corrupt"!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wasn't going to bring it up.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rhode Island.
> >> >>
> >> >> With a population and area smaller than New Hampshire, they have

> > almost
> >> >> twice as many state employees as NH, many of them patronage

> > positions.
> >> >> Maybe the people don't mind. The former mayor of Providence just

got
> >> >> back from a few years in federal prison for corruption to a hero's
> >> >> welcome.
> >>
> >> >It is a condition of the forming of the United States of America

that
> > the
> >> >older states, with their legacy of colonial governments, are the

most
> >> >likely to be (seen as) corrupt. They have institutionalized

patronage
> >> >systems and no incentive to change cultures, in fact the opposite.
> >>
> >> I think it has more to do with where powerful political machines

existed
> >> in the late 1800s, which probably depended on where the big cities of


> > the
> >> time were.
> >>
> >> I don't sense NH, one of the original 13 colonies, as corrupt nor

states
> >> like NC SC GA or DE as any worse than average. Also among the 13.
> >>

> >
> > Yes, the ones with seaports, commerce, cities are indeed the ones.
> >
> >> >[Massachusetts has an elected Governor's Council which was created

in
> >> >colonial times as a check on the Crown-appointed Governor and which

has
> >
> >> >left only the power to confirm judicial appointments, and which has
> >> >successfully withstood numerous calls and campaigns for its

> > elimination.
> >> >Seven pols no one can name - odds are no one can name even his/her

own
> > -
> >> >who are a needless drain on the treasury, but it's a political

> > sinecure.]
> >>
> >> Yes, that Governor's Council is a joke.
> >>
> >> >Also, Mass. and Penn. and Va. (and Ky, for some reason) are
> >> >Commonwealths, an even older form of government where the cities and


> >> >towns are creatures of the state with no power of their own to tax.
> >>
> >> "Commonwealth" for those four states is just a name, it has nothing

to
> >> do with the type of government or anything. It's not like the

> > Commonwealth
> >> of Puerto Rico, which is a unique creature, and not a state.

> >
> > I am not a poli-sci major, but a Commonwealth state is in fact a
> > different "type of government." Notice that those in Ky who want to

avail
> >
> > themselves of a gambling casino must cross the river to Ohio. There

are
> > not
> > yet any in Mass. either, whereas in N.J. the world is different. This

is
> > not a coincidence.

>
> Sorry to throw a monkey wrench into your premise, but PA has got em. One
> owned by Connecticut Indians and one owned by, well, let's not go into
> that.
>


Again, I was only making the point that it is harder to get casino
gambling
passed in a Commonwealth, not impossible. (Mass. has the added problem
that
the Catholic Church Bingo and the State Lottery sort of have the franchise

on legal gambling.) Mass. now has a recognized tribe and a governor who
is
not beholden, but wants to spend any revenue he can, so casinos are on the

table. I only said that Commonwealths were different, but not that
different.

> bill
>
>
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