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  1. SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".

    What happens if I type that command ?

  2. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    JF Mezei wrote:
    > HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >
    > What happens if I type that command ?



    You want US to do the experiment for you? No thanks!


  3. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@teksavvy.com>,
    JF Mezei writes:
    > HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >
    > What happens if I type that command ?


    Your hardware is automatically reconfigured to a PDP-11/02.

    bill

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  4. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >
    >What happens if I type that command ?


    %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values

    You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  5. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >>
    >> What happens if I type that command ?

    >
    > %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values
    >
    > You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
    >


    $ set sec/sec=cia
    %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
    \CIA\
    $ set sec/sec=(cia)

    I'm not sure I want to go any further, since I don't have security
    clearance... :-)


  6. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >>
    >> What happens if I type that command ?

    >
    > %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values
    >
    > You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
    >


    Whoops - that should read:
    $ set sec/sec=cia
    %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
    \CIA\
    $ set sec/sec=(cia)
    _Object: Exit
    $ create foo.tmp
    Exit
    $ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp

    Now I'm in real trouble... :-)



  7. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton
    wrote:

    > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >> In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei
    >> writes:
    >>> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >>>
    >>> What happens if I type that command ?

    >> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all
    >> required values
    >> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
    >>

    >
    > Whoops - that should read:
    > $ set sec/sec=cia
    > %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
    > \CIA\
    > $ set sec/sec=(cia)
    > _Object: Exit
    > $ create foo.tmp
    > Exit
    > $ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp
    >
    > Now I'm in real trouble... :-)
    >
    >

    Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?



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  8. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    "Tom Linden" writes:

    >On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton =


    > wrote:


    >> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >>> In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei
    >>> writes:
    >>>> HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >>>>
    >>>> What happens if I type that command ?
    >>> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all
    >>> required values
    >>> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
    >>>

    >>
    >> Whoops - that should read:
    >> $ set sec/sec=cia
    >> %DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
    >> \CIA\
    >> $ set sec/sec=(cia)
    >> _Object: Exit
    >> $ create foo.tmp
    >> Exit
    >> $ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp
    >>
    >> Now I'm in real trouble... :-)
    >>
    >>

    >Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?


    FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
    A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.

    If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
    close...

  9. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Michael Moroney wrote:
    > "Tom Linden" writes:
    >
    >
    >>On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:09:23 -0800, bradhamilton =

    >
    >
    >> wrote:

    >
    >
    >>>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei
    >>>> writes:
    >>>>
    >>>>>HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    >>>>>
    >>>>>What happens if I type that command ?
    >>>>
    >>>> %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all
    >>>>required values
    >>>> You know, for SEVMS you need(ed) some more commands/qualifiers...
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>Whoops - that should read:
    >>>$ set sec/sec=cia
    >>>%DCL-W-NOPAREN, value improperly delimited - supply parenthesis
    >>> \CIA\
    >>>$ set sec/sec=(cia)
    >>>_Object: Exit
    >>>$ create foo.tmp
    >>> Exit
    >>>$ set sec/sec=(cia) foo.tmp
    >>>
    >>>Now I'm in real trouble... :-)
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?

    >
    >
    > FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
    > A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
    >
    > If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
    > close...


    Hmmm... looks like it's been dormant since at least as far back as
    VMS 7.2-1. Here's the command on Eisner:

    $ sh sys/noproc
    OpenVMS V7.2-1 on node EISNER 27-NOV-2007 12:58:31.97 Uptime 157
    03:22:14
    $ set sec/sec=(this,is,the,best,kept,secret) x.x

  10. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Michael Moroney wrote:
    > FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
    > A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
    >
    > If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
    > close...


    Or that the men in black came in and whisked him into some private
    aircraft to a remote location in the world to be tortured until he
    admits that he used the /SECRECY qualifier to subvert the current
    government. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

  11. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    I tried:

    $ set security/secrecy=(NSA,CIA,MI5,MI6) sheep.txt

    The command executed without complaint.

    However, neither indexf.sys nor the .dir file containing that file entry
    contained the text entered in the /secrecy bit.

    $ set security/secrecy=(white fluffy sheep) sheep.txt

    Also was accepted without complaint although one would assume that this
    is syntactically incorrect from a DCL point of view.

  12. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    In article , "R.A.Omond" writes:

    > Hmmm... looks like it's been dormant since at least as far back as
    > VMS 7.2-1. Here's the command on Eisner:
    >
    > $ sh sys/noproc
    > OpenVMS V7.2-1 on node EISNER 27-NOV-2007 12:58:31.97 Uptime 157
    > 03:22:14
    > $ set sec/sec=(this,is,the,best,kept,secret) x.x


    I do not remember exactly when the DCL commands for SEVMS were rolled
    into VMS proper, but certainly it was before the last version of SEVMS
    which was V6.2.

    No, this will not work if you have ordinary VMS images, but if there
    were actually a demand for MAC they could revive the support.

    In the meantime, it is possible to write command procedures that work
    on both VMS and SEVMS.

  13. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Michael Moroney wrote:
    > "Tom Linden" writes:

    [...]
    >> Does that actually do anything for the file attributes?

    >
    > FWIW, the qualifier value is an ACL of some sort.
    > A few other SET commands also take /SECRECY as a parameter.
    >
    > If we don't hear from you, we'll know you found the answer or at least got
    > close...


    WHUP WHUP WHUP WHUP...

    I'm back (whew!)

    Actually, I saw no ACL (in the traditional sense) after creating the
    file. I was able to copy/delete/rename the file without issue (at least
    until the black helicopters came...).

    I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume
    that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-)


  14. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    In article <474CB7F5.6010007@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes:
    >
    > I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume
    > that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-)
    >


    For a great many years now, the standard VMS kernel has had CIA and
    ICBM. Some things are not even latent.

    8-)


  15. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:

    >In article <474CB7F5.6010007@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes:
    >>
    >> I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume
    >> that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-)
    >>


    > For a great many years now, the standard VMS kernel has had CIA and
    > ICBM. Some things are not even latent.


    VMS has CIA$, NSA$ and KGB$ data structures (and probably others I don't
    know about), and they are not only not latent, they are used for such
    things as breakin detection/evasion, security auditing and process
    attributes (including impersonation, of course). ICBMs are, of course,
    peripheral related.

  16. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:
    >
    > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    > >HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".
    > >
    > >What happens if I type that command ?

    >
    > %DCL-W-VALREQ, missing qualifier or keyword value - supply all required values


    Here's a snippet from the output of VERB SET:

    qualifier SECRECY, label=SECURITY
    value (required,type=$acl)

    ....FWIW...

    David J Dachtera
    DJE Systems

  17. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    On Nov 26, 9:08 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
    > In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32...@teksavvy.com>,
    > JF Mezei writes:
    >
    > > HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".

    >
    > > What happens if I type that command ?

    >
    > Your hardware is automatically reconfigured to a PDP-11/02.
    >
    > bill
    >
    > --
    > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves
    > b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
    > University of Scranton |
    > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include


    LOL yet again!

    AEF

  18. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    On Nov 28, 3:43 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
    wrote:
    > koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
    > >In article <474CB7F5.6010...@comcast.net>, bradhamilton writes:

    >
    > >> I guess Larry knows best here, having "experience" with SEVMS; I assume
    > >> that /SECRECY is latent in non-SEVMS environments. :-)

    >
    > > For a great many years now, the standard VMS kernel has had CIA and
    > > ICBM. Some things are not even latent.

    >
    > VMS has CIA$, NSA$ and KGB$ data structures (and probably others I don't
    > know about), and they are not only not latent, they are used for such
    > things as breakin detection/evasion, security auditing and process
    > attributes (including impersonation, of course). ICBMs are, of course,
    > peripheral related.


    So that CIASTARTINGUP message during the boot process is from this? I
    always thought it was a joke!

    AEF

  19. Re: SET SECURITY /SECRECY

    In article <89655$474ac9d3$cef8887a$32349@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei
    writes:

    > HELP on 8.3 says "Reserved for us by HP".


    Probably a typo; should be "Reserved for use".

    > What happens if I type that command ?


    Try it and let us know!

    By the way, it is in 7.3-2 as well.


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