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  1. OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.

    Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.

    Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    such).

    David J Dachtera
    DJE Systems

  2. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    In article <47489CFC.7BEB9F63@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes:
    >
    >
    >Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    >so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    >Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    >that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    >Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    >recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    >such).


    Buy a Mac or use your VMS boxes.

    I've had one catastrophic disk failure on a Mac (and it wasn't an Apple
    drive) but I was able to recover everything on the drive easily with a
    software recovery tool. I'd bet you'll be cussin' up a storm until you
    get that Weendoze box back to gaming state.

    Strange game, Professor Faulken! The only winning move is not to play!

    Remember, the first time Micro$oft makes something which doesn't suck
    will be the day that they start making vacuum cleaners.

    --
    VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM

    "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"

    http://tmesis.com/drat.html

  3. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    On Nov 24, 4:51 pm, David J Dachtera wrote:
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).
    >
    > David J Dachtera
    > DJE Systems


    I bought a product called Get Data Back some years back.

    Unfortunately, I misplaced the key last time I needed it. Fortunately,
    it still allows single file copies even in this mode, and I only
    needed a few files!

    It is slow, but very thorough. However, if you are having hardware
    issues, most such software will pretty much complete the burial
    process for you...

  4. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
    >
    > In article <47489CFC.7BEB9F63@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes:
    > >
    > >
    > >Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > >so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    > >
    > >Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > >that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    > >
    > >Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > >recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > >such).

    >
    > Buy a Mac or use your VMS boxes.
    >
    > I've had one catastrophic disk failure on a Mac (and it wasn't an Apple
    > drive) but I was able to recover everything on the drive easily with a
    > software recovery tool. I'd bet you'll be cussin' up a storm until you
    > get that Weendoze box back to gaming state.


    Never got into "gaming", other than the local casino. Having been to
    Vegas to visit the wife's daughter and the daughter's spouse, we wanted
    to find something local for an occasional "lose $20 or two" evening. We
    both like slots.

    > Strange game, Professor Faulken! The only winning move is not to play!


    True; however, the world is enamoured of it, so ...

    > Remember, the first time Micro$oft makes something which doesn't suck
    > will be the day that they start making vacuum cleaners.


    Hhmmm... The "blue dustbag of death"?

    David J Dachtera
    DJE Systems

  5. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    David J Dachtera wrote:
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).


    Plug it on your VMS machine and use BACKUP/PHYSICAL. If the hardware is
    starting to fail, getting a fill image of the drive will safeguard
    whatever data is left on it and you could move that image to a new disk.

    Shirley there must be utilities on window (like Norton) to recover files
    from a corrupt disk ?

  6. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    David J Dachtera wrote:
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).


    I don't suppose a second PC is available, with a "free" "disk slot". If
    such were available, you might be able to take the bad disk out of the
    PC, insert it in the other PC, and attempt to read files (like *.PST)
    off the "bad" disk. A bad boot sector may not mean that the rest of the
    drive is unreadable (but is probably on its way).

    Alternatively, could you find a spare disk, switch around the disks, and
    load a copy of XP on the "new" disk? Again, you may be able to read
    files off the bad drive, if it's not the boot drive.

    I assume you've checked the bad PC for something you've overlooked, like
    a floppy disk in the floppy drive, or a CD/DVD in the CD/DVD drive? If
    you've set up your BIOS to boot from either of these devices, the
    cryptic DOS messages might (mis)lead you into believing that your HARD
    disk is toast, rather than a non-bootable floppy/CD/DVD.

  7. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    David J Dachtera wrote:
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).


    Another alternative - GParted . It's a
    partition mangler, (a Linux Distro on CD) and claims to be able to read
    data off of an NTFS file system. I've never used it for that purpose,
    but it works well on my Linux laptop for resizing/fixing partitions.

  8. Re: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    >...
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).
    >...


    Get someone with a working PC to download the 196MB file from
    http://www.ubcd4win.com/ and follow the build instructions to build you a
    copy of the "Ultimate Boot CD for Windows." Put the CD in your drive and
    boot it. It will boot Windows with a bunch of freeware utilities including 3
    or 4 disk recovery programs. I forget which one I used when my sister took
    70 some-odd pictures of my daughter's Christening then formatted the memory
    card, but it worked rather fast and very easy just stepping through blocks
    and rebuilding whatever files it could. (For those who really hate Windows
    there is also an "Ultimate Boot CD" at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ that
    also includes disk recovery tools.)

    Peter Weaver
    www.weaverconsulting.ca
    CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial
    Hardware


  9. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    David J Dachtera wrote:
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).


    First thing is to try and get the disk copied. And then you
    can work on the copy.

    Then you can try various recovery tools. Some of the more well
    known tools are http://www.getbackdata.net/ and
    http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk. Consider getting
    someone with experience with such tool to help you. Else
    read a bit about like
    http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1139 !

    If that does not help, then there are the desperate
    solutions left like paying thousands of dollars to a
    data recovery company or the worst trick of them all:
    put the drive 24 hours in the freezer.

    Arne


  10. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    In article <47489CFC.7BEB9F63@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes:
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).


    I don't know which one, but when we had a similar problem we used one
    of the comercial data recovery vendors. They recovered 100% of the
    data (drive electronics failed but the platters were still good).

    I often see them at shows with PCs or laptops that were left in
    burning buildings from which they carried out 100% data recovery.


  11. Re: W/XP PC HD Crashed


    "David J Dachtera" wrote in message
    news:47489CFC.7BEB9F63@comcast.net...
    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).
    >
    > David J Dachtera
    > DJE Systems


    Good luck. All is by no means lost yet, but more detail will be helpful.

    0) How much is the data worth?

    It seems the data wasn't backed up. Does this indicate the data is largely
    worthless? If so, you won't be interested in a low hassle, high cost
    solution such as a commercial data recovery outfit, correct? Sometimes these
    folks can do remote data recovery so you don't even need to take (or post)
    anything to them. If your data is largely worthless, working on the original
    can simplify the recovery process somewhat but is obviously higher risk.
    Otherwise you will need a block for block copy to work on, which can be done
    using something like the unix/Linux dd utility (now would be a good time to
    learn some Linux, if you didn't already).

    1) What are the symptoms?
    1a)What error messages are reported?
    1b) Is the disk visible from the BIOS, and does the config look sensible? If
    it's not, you may wish to try it from another PC.
    1c) What partitions/filesystems were you expecting on the disk? Next steps
    may depend on that. Eg if no NTFS, a W98 boot disk *might* be an interesting
    next step. Let's assume there is NTFS, so a W98 boot disk isn't really
    helpful.
    1d) Can you get hold of something like a GHOST boot floppy/CD and use GDISK
    to see if the partitions and filesystems are as you would expect?

    What happens next depends on whether the partitions and filesystems are as
    you would expect. If they are, you're most of the way there. Get something
    bootable that will read the filesystem and allow you to save all the
    readable bits somewhere else. If the bits you know you need are all
    readable, the job is mostly done (apart from replacing the old system). A
    Linux "Live CD" may be readily available, if not, now would be a good time
    to get one. Boot it, and if the files you need are readable, store them
    somewhere safe (a USB stick, a SAMBA share, etc - probably not relevant to
    you, but maplin.co.uk are currently selling LAN-ready disk enclosures for
    GBP30, part number a61fy, just add your own IDE drive and off you go)

    If the partitions and filesystems are not as you would expect, life is more
    complicated, especially if you want a DIY solution. I have found Active@
    Partition Recovery (DOS version, US$30) to be helpful. Other
    prettier-looking ones are available, some from vendors with bigger names.
    Some of the big names have failed me where the folks at
    www.partition-recovery.com have succeeded. Your choice. I'm not going into
    more detail here as we don't know if it would be relevant to your
    circumstances.


    Assuming you can find your PST files and whatnot, what were you planning to
    do next? Build a new system, take a backup, import the saved data, take
    another backup, and continue from there would be one option.

    Or maybe you could just connect the broken drive to a VMS box and write a
    TECO macro or two to get the required data out...

    Good luck
    John Wallace




  12. Re: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    On Nov 26, 11:16 am, "John Wallace"
    wrote:
    > "David J Dachtera" wrote in messagenews:47489CFC.7BEB9F63@comcast.net...
    >
    > > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.

    >
    > > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.

    >
    > > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > > such).

    >
    > > David J Dachtera
    > > DJE Systems

    >
    > Good luck. All is by no means lost yet, but more detail will be helpful.
    >
    > 0) How much is the data worth?
    >
    > It seems the data wasn't backed up. Does this indicate the data is largely
    > worthless? If so, you won't be interested in a low hassle, high cost
    > solution such as a commercial data recovery outfit, correct? Sometimes these
    > folks can do remote data recovery so you don't even need to take (or post)
    > anything to them. If your data is largely worthless, working on the original
    > can simplify the recovery process somewhat but is obviously higher risk.
    > Otherwise you will need a block for block copy to work on, which can be done
    > using something like the unix/Linux dd utility (now would be a good time to
    > learn some Linux, if you didn't already).
    >
    > 1) What are the symptoms?
    > 1a)What error messages are reported?
    > 1b) Is the disk visible from the BIOS, and does the config look sensible? If
    > it's not, you may wish to try it from another PC.
    > 1c) What partitions/filesystems were you expecting on the disk? Next steps
    > may depend on that. Eg if no NTFS, a W98 boot disk *might* be an interesting
    > next step. Let's assume there is NTFS, so a W98 boot disk isn't really
    > helpful.
    > 1d) Can you get hold of something like a GHOST boot floppy/CD and use GDISK
    > to see if the partitions and filesystems are as you would expect?
    >
    > What happens next depends on whether the partitions and filesystems are as
    > you would expect. If they are, you're most of the way there. Get something
    > bootable that will read the filesystem and allow you to save all the
    > readable bits somewhere else. If the bits you know you need are all
    > readable, the job is mostly done (apart from replacing the old system). A
    > Linux "Live CD" may be readily available, if not, now would be a good time
    > to get one. Boot it, and if the files you need are readable, store them
    > somewhere safe (a USB stick, a SAMBA share, etc - probably not relevant to
    > you, but maplin.co.uk are currently selling LAN-ready disk enclosures for
    > GBP30, part number a61fy, just add your own IDE drive and off you go)
    >
    > If the partitions and filesystems are not as you would expect, life is more
    > complicated, especially if you want a DIY solution. I have found Active@
    > Partition Recovery (DOS version, US$30) to be helpful. Other
    > prettier-looking ones are available, some from vendors with bigger names.
    > Some of the big names have failed me where the folks atwww.partition-recovery.comhave succeeded. Your choice. I'm not going into
    > more detail here as we don't know if it would be relevant to your
    > circumstances.
    >
    > Assuming you can find your PST files and whatnot, what were you planning to
    > do next? Build a new system, take a backup, import the saved data, take
    > another backup, and continue from there would be one option.
    >
    > Or maybe you could just connect the broken drive to a VMS box and write a
    > TECO macro or two to get the required data out...
    >
    > Good luck
    > John Wallace


    I'll second the products from http://www.partition-recovery.com. A
    couple folks in our office were able to use the partition and data
    recovery software to retrieve all (in one case) and nearly all the
    data on two failed drives.

    Recently we had two systems with SATA drives start going intermittent
    (bootup says no hard drive) because of crappy SATA cables (straight
    from HP, imagine that); they vibrated loose apparently. Reseating the
    data and power cables fixed both systems.

    The last time we had a real crisis (customer boss PC, hadn't done
    backups despite ability and instructions on it) we actually bought a
    brand new drive of the exact same model and swapped the drive circuit
    board. The old drive worked fine for as long as it took to copy the
    data but we didn't risk leaving it that way.

    Finally, an important developer peecee at one of our customers failed,
    also not backed up due to failure of the automatic software (the user
    was under a severe time crunch and let fixing it slide, so the drive
    naturally failed when he was almost done with the project). That
    drive we could not get an identical model of, but it turned out that
    if we froze the drive for about 40 minutes, then stuck it in an open
    USB box with an icepack on top (later switched to a folder paper towel
    damp with alcohol and a fan blowing at it... swamp cooling for a hard
    drive) it would run long enough for the partition recovery software
    (above) to pull all essential data off it. Might be worth a try as a
    last resort.

  13. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    bradhamilton wrote:
    > David J Dachtera wrote:
    >> Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    >> so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >>
    >> Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    >> that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >>
    >> Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    >> recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    >> such).

    >
    > I don't suppose a second PC is available, with a "free" "disk slot". If
    > such were available, you might be able to take the bad disk out of the
    > PC, insert it in the other PC, and attempt to read files (like *.PST)
    > off the "bad" disk. A bad boot sector may not mean that the rest of the
    > drive is unreadable (but is probably on its way).


    This is what I do at home and work when a drive fails. It works best
    when combined with backup or recovery tools (too many to mention). We
    have even done this without removing the the disk from the original
    PC. We just put the two PC back to back with the cases open and
    connected the disk cable from the working PC to the not working disk
    and it allowed us to save all of the data files before reformatting
    and reinstalling Windows.

    Good luck!

    Thomas Wirt
    Director of IS
    Kittle's Home Furnishings
    Indianapolis, IN

  14. Re: OT: W/XP PC HD Crashed

    David J Dachtera wrote in news:47489CFC.7BEB9F63
    @comcast.net:

    > Apologies for the OT post. I know a lot of folks here use WhineBloze;
    > so, I'm hoping some one has some suggestions.
    >
    > Came down here on Wednesday evening to find my WhineBloze PC complaining
    > that the hard drive seems to have disappeared.
    >
    > Skipping the details for now, I'm looking for suggestions on disk data
    > recovery. I'm most interested in recovering my LookOut! file (.PSTs, and
    > such).
    >
    > David J Dachtera
    > DJE Systems


    As Arne mentioned, use Christophe Grenier's software, www.cgsecurity.org
    I exchanged some email with him when I had a major disk corruption. He had
    me try a few things with TestDisk to get the partition back (on the old
    disk, while booted from a new disk with Windows installed.) Apparently, I
    had messed it up too much, so I used his PhotoRec software and recovered
    lots of files, including .jpg, .bmp, .tif, .doc, .xls, .ppt, .pps, and
    ..pub. There were others, but that was a few years ago. As I recall, all
    the Micro$haft documents were recovered as .doc files, but when opening
    them with Wordpad, it was pretty easy to tell how to rename them. Many of
    the recovered Micro$haft documents were larger than the originals, but
    opening them and saving them restored the original size.
    The only expense I had was a new hard drive and since I was about in need
    of some more space, it was worth it. I can't say there was anything it
    didn't recover that I needed.

    Tad Winters

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