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  1. Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN

    or if the above has wrapped:

    > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN


    They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!!

    And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business.

    But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One
    further nail in its coffin.

  2. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    JF Mezei wrote:

    There is even a press release for this:

    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/pr...7/070206a.html

    And VMS now gets its new web page at:

    > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise...0-225-121.html



    This must be pretty new because they haven't yet updated
    www.hp.com/go/vms to point to the new VMS homepage. I won't complain if
    they forget to do it, as I prefer the old one. But please don't see this
    as a complaint about the new VMS page.

    And it also signals that HP has truly taken VMS seriously, it even uses
    terminology such as "HP VMS" in some of the web pages and press releases.


    To Mt Kerry Main: See, even *moi* can spin news positively.

  3. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN


    Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services

    >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!!


    But it is not of our beloved operating system

    >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business.


    Yup, but a Video System

    >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One
    >further nail in its coffin.


    What was your intention of your posting?

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  4. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <472ae177$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter
    'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes:

    > In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    > >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN

    >
    > Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services
    >
    > >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!!

    >
    > But it is not of our beloved operating system
    >
    > >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business.

    >
    > Yup, but a Video System
    >
    > >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One
    > >further nail in its coffin.

    >
    > What was your intention of your posting?


    Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners. Trademarks
    are valid only within a certain range. Apple was a computer company and
    a record company---no problem, until the former started selling music
    (which led to an out-of-court settlement). Similarly, ABBA had to
    promise they wouldn't enter the fish business, since there is a Swedish
    company which sells fish products called Abba (without the backwards B).
    So, if I want to set up a cruise company called Very Magical Sailing, I
    could probably call it VMS without being accused of trademark
    infringement, but Very Magical Software would probably be too close to
    the operating system VMS.

    In other words, TLAs and other trademarks can exist in multiple
    instances. There is only a conflict if they refer to similar products.
    With respect to VMS, this would be a problem only if someone came up
    with an operating system dubbed VMS (referring, perhaps, to Victor's
    Management Services) and HP couldn't object on the grounds that it had
    not defended its trademark. But as long as it sells VMS (it doesn't
    have to market it), it has defended its trademark.

    Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as
    long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing
    businesses, say, rather than disk files).


  5. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:

    > Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    > for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners....


    In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high
    letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service",
    or "Road Machinery Service" in English.

    Hm, must take a picture next time I'm there...

    Jan-Erik.

  6. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN
    >
    >or if the above has wrapped:
    >
    >> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN

    >
    >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!!
    >
    >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business.
    >
    >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One
    >further nail in its coffin.


    Shows how much thought HP is giving VMS the OS. Now when you ring up HP if you
    talk about OpenVMS you will be directed to someone who knows about OpenView and
    if you talk about VMS you will be directed to someone who knows about this new
    video merchant service.



    David Webb
    Security team leader
    CCSS
    Middlesex University





  7. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
    >In article <472ae177$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter
    >'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes:
    >
    >> In article <163f$472ace1d$cef8887a$8820@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >> >http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/fe...reg_R1002_USEN

    >>
    >> Which is a link to the HP Video Merchant Services
    >>
    >> >They even list WallMart as the first VMS customer !!!!

    >>
    >> But it is not of our beloved operating system
    >>
    >> >And no, this isn't a voluntary milking business.

    >>
    >> Yup, but a Video System
    >>
    >> >But it now precludes the use of "VMS" for an operating system by HP. One
    >> >further nail in its coffin.

    >>
    >> What was your intention of your posting?

    >
    >Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    >for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners. Trademarks
    >are valid only within a certain range. Apple was a computer company and
    >a record company---no problem, until the former started selling music
    >(which led to an out-of-court settlement). Similarly, ABBA had to
    >promise they wouldn't enter the fish business, since there is a Swedish
    >company which sells fish products called Abba (without the backwards B).
    >So, if I want to set up a cruise company called Very Magical Sailing, I
    >could probably call it VMS without being accused of trademark
    >infringement, but Very Magical Software would probably be too close to
    >the operating system VMS.
    >
    >In other words, TLAs and other trademarks can exist in multiple
    >instances. There is only a conflict if they refer to similar products.
    >With respect to VMS, this would be a problem only if someone came up
    >with an operating system dubbed VMS (referring, perhaps, to Victor's
    >Management Services) and HP couldn't object on the grounds that it had
    >not defended its trademark. But as long as it sells VMS (it doesn't
    >have to market it), it has defended its trademark.
    >
    >Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as
    >long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing
    >businesses, say, rather than disk files).
    >

    However for the same company to have two very different products called VMS
    would generally be considered a bad idea. Inheriting two products with similar
    names eg Open View and openVMS is bad enough but creating a new product with a
    conflicting name means that noone in the company has given any thought to the
    old product.


    David Webb
    Security team leader
    CCSS
    Middlesex University

    PS. Maybe this is the promised media campaign for VMS. Just a pity it will be
    for the wrong VMS


  8. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:57:22 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm
    wrote:

    > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
    >
    >> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    >> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners....

    >
    > In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high
    > letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service",
    > or "Road Machinery Service" in English.


    Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst
    >
    > Hm, must take a picture next time I'm there...
    >
    > Jan-Erik.




    --
    PL/I for OpenVMS
    www.kednos.com

  9. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    Tom Linden wrote:
    > On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:57:22 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
    >>
    >>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    >>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners....

    >>
    >> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high
    >> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service",
    >> or "Road Machinery Service" in English.

    >
    > Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst
    >>


    http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/

    In this case "tjänst" is not the right word.
    The swedish word "service" in this case stands
    for "repair" and similar jobs.

    Jan-Erik.

  10. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
    > Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    > for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners. Trademarks
    > are valid only within a certain range.



    In this case, it is moot. Just as the case for the use of "ALL-IN-1" for
    its printers, HP can use "VMS" for whatever it wants since it owns the
    company that owned that trademark.

    And since HP doesn't know about VMS as an operating system, its people
    probably didn't see any potential for conflict with some little known
    product HP inherited from Compaq.

  11. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip
    Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
    > Trademarks are valid only within a certain range.


    There's even a car rental / transport service called "Unix"

  12. OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:17:08 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm
    wrote:

    > Tom Linden wrote:
    >> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:57:22 -0700, Jan-Erik Söderholm
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    >>>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners....
    >>>
    >>> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high
    >>> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service",
    >>> or "Road Machinery Service" in English.

    >> Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst
    >>>

    >
    > http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/
    >
    > In this case "tjänst" is not the right word.
    > The swedish word "service" in this case stands
    > for "repair" and similar jobs.


    Ah, I misunderstood, I was thinking along the lines of, e.g.
    Strassendienst, of course claiming service as a swedish word is
    a bit of a stretch. I wonder what the Icelanders use?

    >
    > Jan-Erik.




    --
    PL/I for OpenVMS
    www.kednos.com

  13. Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    Tom Linden wrote:

    > ..., of course claiming service as a swedish word is
    > a bit of a stretch.


    No, it isn't.
    If so, "window" isn't an english word either, since it
    comes from the norwegian "vindue" with the vikings...

    *Today* "service" is a 100% swedish word.

    Jan-Erik.

    > I wonder what the Icelanders use?


    They have to a much higher degree then the rest of the
    nordic countries kept the original common nordic language.
    So my *guess* is that they do not use a word originating
    somewhere else.

    Jan-Erik.


    >
    >>
    >> Jan-Erik.

    >
    >
    >


  14. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
    writes:

    > >Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as
    > >long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing
    > >businesses, say, rather than disk files).
    > >

    > However for the same company to have two very different products called VMS
    > would generally be considered a bad idea. Inheriting two products with similar
    > names eg Open View and openVMS is bad enough but creating a new product with a
    > conflicting name means that noone in the company has given any thought to the
    > old product.


    I agree completely; I was just noting that it's not a trademark issue.


  15. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <84IWi.12756$ZA.8093@newsb.telia.net>,
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
    writes:

    > >>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems)
    > >>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners....
    > >>
    > >> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high
    > >> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service",
    > >> or "Road Machinery Service" in English.

    > >
    > > Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst
    > >>

    >
    > http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/
    >
    > In this case "tjänst" is not the right word.
    > The swedish word "service" in this case stands
    > for "repair" and similar jobs.


    Of course, since W and V are quite similar in Swedish, one might confuse
    it with WNT. :-)

    (Until quite recently, V and W were considered the same letter and mixed
    together in the dictionary. Just a couple of years ago, W was declared
    to be its own letter by the authorities.)


  16. Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article ,
    =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
    writes:

    > Tom Linden wrote:
    >
    > > ..., of course claiming service as a swedish word is
    > > a bit of a stretch.

    >
    > No, it isn't.
    > If so, "window" isn't an english word either, since it
    > comes from the norwegian "vindue" with the vikings...


    Literally a wind-eye.


  17. Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
    >
    > In article ,
    > =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?=
    > writes:
    >
    > > Tom Linden wrote:
    > >
    > > > ..., of course claiming service as a swedish word is
    > > > a bit of a stretch.

    > >
    > > No, it isn't.
    > > If so, "window" isn't an english word either, since it
    > > comes from the norwegian "vindue" with the vikings...

    >
    > Literally a wind-eye.


    Reminds me of something from many years ago... (Really only humorous to native
    English speakers, sorry.)

    A local church held a fund raiser which included a variety show, a talent show
    more than anything, really.

    Right at the top of the show, the MCs were announcing the acts that would be
    presented. Just before the first act was introduced, one of the MCs received an
    urgent dispatch from back-stage. He announced that he was supposed to warn
    everyone that "The Viper" was coming and we should be ready for trouble.

    Well, after every two or three acts, someone came out on stage with the MCs to
    repeat the warning, each with progressively greater agitation and urgency, "The
    Viper is coming! The Viper is coming!".

    At the end of the show, when the MCs were wrapping up and bringing some
    performers back for a final call, one of them ran out on stage yelling,
    "The Viper is here! The Viper is here!"

    Collectively, everyone on stage shouted, "The Viper??!!", then chaotically ran
    screaming from the stage through the audience and out of sight. As they did
    this, a grey-haired gentleman with large handle-bar mustache and dressed as a
    custodian noisily clambored his way on stage with buckets, a mop, a squeegee and
    rags hanging from all his pockets. He stopped center stage and calmly announced
    in a heavy accent, "I am de viper. I come to vipe yer vindows."

    --
    David J Dachtera
    dba DJE Systems
    http://www.djesys.com/

    Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

    Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

    Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

    Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

  18. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <6d5b0$472b798b$cef8887a$5047@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >
    > In this case, it is moot. Just as the case for the use of "ALL-IN-1" for
    > its printers, HP can use "VMS" for whatever it wants since it owns the
    > company that owned that trademark.


    Owned - past tense - is very important here. DEC dropped the
    trademark sometime after they changed the name to OpenVMS. And there
    are other software products now using the name VMS. Perhaps one
    of those owners will sue HP over infringment?


  19. Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark !

    In article <6d5b0$472b798b$cef8887a$5047@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes:
    >
    > In this case, it is moot. Just as the case for the use of "ALL-IN-1" for
    > its printers, HP can use "VMS" for whatever it wants since it owns the
    > company that owned that trademark.


    Actually it didn't. HP owns "OpenVMS" but the VMS trademark was
    allowed to expire before VMS bought Compaq. There are now other
    software systems trademarked as "VMS" which would prevent HP
    from using "VMS" as a software trademark, unless they first track
    down and purchase that from the current owner.


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