Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young - VMS

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  1. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca]
    > Sent: October 26, 2007 6:00 PM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > Main, Kerry wrote:
    >
    > > You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company

    > with literally
    > > hundreds of products.

    >
    > Obviously not. And obviously companies like Microsoft, Sun, Apple etc
    > also have no clue since they have no problem using their main mage to
    > brag about certain achievements or new products.
    >


    Ok - quick question -

    Would you rather have HP advertise on the main HP web site where mostly Momand Pop
    Cust's go for printer drivers, latest desktops, laptops etc or would you prefer
    OpenVMS be advertised on the Server / Enterprise section where more seriousCust's
    interested in server infrastructure solutions are more likely to go to?

    And since you brought it up as an example of your pedestal company, Microsoft does
    not have Windows 2003 Server advertised on its Microsoft.com web site, so they
    obviously want Customers to move to something else - right?

    :-)

    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.





  2. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 26, 3:25 pm, "Ken Robinson" wrote:
    > On 10/26/07, Main, Kerry wrote:
    >
    > > What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?

    >
    > > Geeze .. Can't you say at least one nice note without bringing in all the black
    > > helicopter theories?

    >
    > > You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company with literally
    > > hundreds of products.

    >
    > It's out on the main hp.com page right now. You will see it if the
    > "Large Enterprise Business" tab is active.
    >
    > Ken



    Cool! Very cool. Hah!!! My letter to Mark Hurd did some good after
    all! ;-)

    Thanks, Ken, for the notice.

    Hurray!!! |8-D)

    AEF


  3. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 26, 6:22 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote:
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca]
    > > Sent: October 26, 2007 6:00 PM
    > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    >
    > > Main, Kerry wrote:

    >
    > > > You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company

    > > with literally
    > > > hundreds of products.

    >
    > > Obviously not. And obviously companies like Microsoft, Sun, Apple etc
    > > also have no clue since they have no problem using their main mage to
    > > brag about certain achievements or new products.

    >
    > Ok - quick question -
    >
    > Would you rather have HP advertise on the main HP web site where mostly Mom and Pop
    > Cust's go for printer drivers, latest desktops, laptops etc or would you prefer
    > OpenVMS be advertised on the Server / Enterprise section where more serious Cust's
    > interested in server infrastructure solutions are more likely to go to?
    >
    > And since you brought it up as an example of your pedestal company, Microsoft does
    > not have Windows 2003 Server advertised on its Microsoft.com web site, so they
    > obviously want Customers to move to something else - right?
    >
    > :-)
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Kerry Main
    > Senior Consultant
    > HP Services Canada
    > Voice: 613-592-4660
    > Fax: 613-591-4477
    > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    > (remove the DOT's and AT)
    >
    > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.



    Kerry, it's on the main page now. Did you not see Ken's post? (You're
    still right about JF, though.)

    I'd recommend also putting this on the Gov't, Health, and Education
    tab.

    Thanks hp!


    AEF


  4. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Hi Dave,

    > Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.
    >
    > Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    > get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    > another gripe session.


    And I observe that you chose a response to my post as the most appropriate
    venue for your speach, yet without quoting anything from it. Maybe it's just
    the threading in my newsreader, but in case anyone else is confused here is
    my post again: -

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Hi,

    I was around for 25 of those (for the most part) glorious years. What a
    crazy ride!

    I look forward to the next 25 (hopefully slightly less eventful) years with
    still the best server OS on the planet.

    Well done to all past and present who produced a product of such quality
    that it has survived, and continued to flourish, through such difficult
    times.

    The core OS engineers and the compiler guys are owed a debt of gratitude
    from all (me anyway) of us - Well done! (If only the layered product,
    middleware *and middle management* wankers could see what's starring them in
    the face, then the bottom line would be so much healthier! "Middleware for
    Dummies"? Dummies all right! Not one bloody chapter in there is still being
    actively supported to customers :-( Anyway, I tried not to whinge; go off
    and have a well deserved beer. I imagine that they'd be a gathering of many
    old faces at various DEC sites at the moment - The drinks are on you :-)

    Cheers Richard Maher
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    Nah, 2nd time around I still found it uplifting.

    OTOH, if you are refering to the people who have gloated at the prospect of
    being able to pronounce VMS dead on numerous occasions over the last 15
    years, (yet keep turning up to say "This time for sure" ) then please
    continue.

    Cheers Richard Maher

    "DaveG" wrote in message
    news:1193411360.720813.301570@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
    > Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.
    >
    > Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    > get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    > another gripe session.
    >
    > I did like the splitting hairs on the bald guy comment.
    >
    > My thanks and appreciation to Sue and all the others that I probably
    > don't know who put together the 30th anniversary stuff.
    >
    > Happy Anniversary VMS !!!
    >
    > Dave...
    >




  5. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 26, 7:14 pm, "Richard Maher"
    wrote:
    > Hi Dave,
    >
    > > Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.

    >
    > > Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    > > get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    > > another gripe session.

    >
    > And I observe that you chose a response to my post as the most appropriate
    > venue for your speach, yet without quoting anything from it. Maybe it's just
    > the threading in my newsreader, but in case anyone else is confused here is
    > my post again: -
    >
    >
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > I was around for 25 of those (for the most part) glorious years. What a
    > crazy ride!
    >
    > I look forward to the next 25 (hopefully slightly less eventful) years with
    > still the best server OS on the planet.
    >
    > Well done to all past and present who produced a product of such quality
    > that it has survived, and continued to flourish, through such difficult
    > times.
    >

    [...]

    Continuing in this positive vein, I'd like to suggest that we write to
    HP execs thanking them for giving VMS more visibility and encouraging
    more of the same. This will at worst do nothing, but at best will help
    the situation. Either way, it's certainly better about complaining,
    griping, whining, etc.

    Look all that's happened from my one postal mail. (!) |;-)) Imagine if
    all of us did the same! :-)

    AEF


  6. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:16:43 -0700, IanMiller wrote:

    > Visit
    > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!
    >
    > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html
    >

    Continue "supporting for the forseeable future" is sadly a rather
    feeble comment


    --
    PL/I for OpenVMS
    www.kednos.com

  7. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    In article , "Main, Kerry" writes:
    >Well, its one thing to constantly say its raining, but when the sun comes out
    >occasionally, there is nothing wrong with recognizing that a bit of sun shine
    >is a good thing. Enjoy it.


    We all enjoy it. But: JF/others only repeat himself/themselves because he/they
    has/ve the impression that you/HPQ deny/ies that it is raining (cause you/HPQ
    *only* talk about the few sunny hours per year instead of the whole weather)

    Nuff said (cause I'm not JF)

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  8. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    To all those who complain about me.

    There will come a time (perhaps sooner rather than later) where I really
    just won't care anymore about VMS and will laugh instead of cry when HP
    execs go in public to mention that VMS is for the installed based only
    and will now refrain from saying anything more than "we will continue to
    support it" (with the word "developed" no longer mentioned.) And when HP
    announces the end of the line for VMS, it won't bother me anymore
    because I will have moved on to a platform that doesn't generate so much
    anger and incertainty because the vendor is unwilling to do the simplest
    things to market the product and try to give it the life it deserves.


    I was about to write a nice "press release" example to show what HP
    could have done to really celebrate the 30th anniversary, but you know
    what, I don't care anymore.

    TO Mr Main: you essentially called me a twit for thinking it was
    possible for a multi-billion dollar corporation to put one its own own
    products on its front web page: minutes later, someone pointed out that
    it had in fact been put on the HP web page in a semi-visible way
    (doesn't work with secured browsers). I don't expect an apology from
    you, but I hope you have learned that even for large corporations, where
    there is a will, there is a way.

    For all the others: I am not the one who wrote the infamous Stallard
    memo. I am not the one who essentially repeated that infamous policy
    almost verbatim this past summer to Computerworld. I am not the one who
    told Cerner et all to not bother with VMS anymore. Being angry at me
    won't do anything to help VMS' cause.



    If the HP-employed VMS loyalists refuse to see the writing on the wall
    then so be it, they will simply let their employer continue with their
    policy of de-emphasising VMS out of existance.

    HP's strategy is to not kill VMS. Doing so will ensure a good proportion
    of VMS customers leave HP and not come back for a very long time. By
    keeping VMS on life support, they can then pull other strings to nudge
    customers onto other HP products. Once HP has latched on to these
    customers via other HP products, then it will be able to kill VMS and
    there won't be much of a funeral because everyone will have left VMS by
    then.

    One of the strings HP is now playing with is getting ISVs to reduce
    support of VMS and move to HP-UX. So HP isn't blamed if Cerner gets
    customers to move to HP-UX.

    HP is doing just enough so it cannot be accused of actively killing VMS.
    (Although Stallard and now Livermore have made statements that are
    very damaging to VMS).

    It would be very simple for HP to signify that its true intentions are
    not those mentioned above. But HP refuses to do so. It is HP that has
    chosen to not promote VMS and only mention VMS to the installed base.

  9. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    JF Mezei wrote:
    > IanMiller wrote:
    >> Visit
    >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    >> and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!

    >
    >
    > In normal companies, it would not be considered a special event to have
    > the CEO mention one of his products.
    >
    > And since HP is intent on circumscribing its discussions to only the
    > remaining installed base, there is no rejoicing in having some clueless
    > CEO implicitely confirm they have no intentions of growing VMS, or
    > re-instating the engineering numbers needed to keep VMS moving forwards.
    >
    >
    > Since Ann Livermore is still in her position, despite having confirmed
    > in a major newspaper that Stallard's absolute blunder of May 7th 2002
    > was in fact corporate policy even in 2007, then one cannot but conclude
    > that Hurd agrees with this policy. (catering to installed base in the
    > hopes that they remain with HP when they drop VMS).


    Is this the Livermore quote you are referring to?

    "In particular for our OpenVMS customers, we are very focused on our
    installed base. We want our installed base to be happy, and if or when
    they ever want to migrate, we want them to migrate to another HP platform."

    Unless SUN is owned by HP, they don't migrate to HP. In my company HP=UX
    is also considered to be a kind of Dinosaur, so the number of HP-UX
    systems is decreasing as well.

    We still have lots of HP x86 boxes. They are quite good, but on the
    other hand you can run Windows or Linux on any x86 box. Not a very good
    argument for customer loyalty.

    >
    > At least HP is now much more open about its policy of downsizing VMS out
    > of existance and moving the few key ISVs such as Cerner to other HP
    > products before VMS sinks.
    >
    > When VMS engineers were stating that there were no plans to move VMS
    > beyond that IA64 contraption, perhaps they were sending a clear message
    > that VMS is now in a dead end and the end is coming soon when IA64 is
    > confirmed as a mature platform in a year or two.
    >
    > My only hope is that the vast majority of those leaving VMS will not be
    > HP customers after VMS.


  10. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Dirk Munk wrote:
    > Bob Koehler wrote:
    >> In article , Dirk Munk
    >> writes:
    >>> OpenVMS customers have been paranoid about HP's intend with their
    >>> OS, and with good reason.
    >>>
    >>> With that in mind, I wonder if anyone noticed that Mr. Hurd said
    >>> that HP would support OpenVMS , not support and continue to develop
    >>> OpenVMS or something similar.
    >>>
    >>> I don't know if this is significant, maybe we should ask for a
    >>> clarification?

    >>
    >> Maybe you're splitting hairs on a bald man.
    >>

    > Don't you remember the days that Digital / Compaq etc. told us that of
    > course they would support VMS customers, but that they also would be
    > very happy to assist VMS customers to migrate their application to
    > WinNT or Unix? Customers understood very well what was meant by that:
    > MOVE AWAY FROM VMS !! And they did.
    >
    > Mr. Hurd must be aware of this history, and so we may expect him to be
    > very precise in what he is saying about VMS. The fact that he doesn't
    > say anything about the future or vitality of VMS and only talks about
    > supporting it may have some significance.
    >
    > Sometimes the true meaning of a speech doesn't lie in what has been
    > said, but in what hasn't been said. History is full of examples.


    On my desk is the Celebrating "VAX OpenVMS at 20 - Nothing Stops It" banner
    stand.

    I guess its been there 10 years. I was pretty sure at the time that VMS
    would not see 30, so I guess I was wrong there. I was right about the fact
    that the decline had started, that it was intentional, and that it was
    unstoppable though. It is just going to take a bit longer due to the inertia
    of systems. It is just hard work, time consuming and expensive to convert
    multi-billion dollar corps off one platform to another.

    VMS is so dismally insignificant in the market place now that I no longer
    work with it and was not at (or even invited to) and 30th anniversary event.
    Sad really ...

    I was talking to a former colleague yesterday - his company (a houshold
    name, multi-billion US corp) is now well on the way to the complete
    elimination of the HP logo and all the VMS machines that previously ran the
    business.
    This is one of many, many departures from VMS who will never be coming back.
    They were buttf****ed by HP and HP will never sell another item there. As it
    should be, but sadly, VMS is the victim of HPs ineptitude (or perhaps it is
    directed malice).

    Anyway, guys, like I have said before - there is no future for VMS because
    HP does not want one. It constitutes about 1% of the revenues (a wild
    unsubstantiated guess to make a point) and is thus off Hurd's radar. We all
    need to deal with it and get on with our lives, looking after our families
    and looking forward to retirement on some tropical island.

    Dr. Dweeb

    (A sad refugee to the disaster zone that is MS enterprise systems - what a
    crock - but yours and my future!)




  11. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On 10/27/07, Dr. Dweeb wrote (in part):

    > Anyway, guys, like I have said before - there is no future for VMS because
    > HP does not want one. It constitutes about 1% of the revenues (a wild
    > unsubstantiated guess to make a point) and is thus off Hurd's radar. We all
    > need to deal with it and get on with our lives, looking after our families
    > and looking forward to retirement on some tropical island.


    There's a good article on internetnews.com about the 30th Anniversary
    . It seems
    to contradict your opinion. One quote I find particularly interesting
    is "As part of its anniversary celebrations, HP is rolling out a new
    marketing campaign for the middle-aged OS,".

    Ken

  12. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca]
    > Sent: October 27, 2007 6:13 AM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > To all those who complain about me.
    >
    > There will come a time (perhaps sooner rather than later) where I
    > really
    > just won't care anymore about VMS and will laugh instead of cry when HP
    > execs go in public to mention that VMS is for the installed based only
    > and will now refrain from saying anything more than "we will continue
    > to
    > support it" (with the word "developed" no longer mentioned.) And when
    > HP
    > announces the end of the line for VMS, it won't bother me anymore
    > because I will have moved on to a platform that doesn't generate so
    > much
    > anger and incertainty because the vendor is unwilling to do the
    > simplest
    > things to market the product and try to give it the life it deserves.
    >
    >
    > I was about to write a nice "press release" example to show what HP
    > could have done to really celebrate the 30th anniversary, but you know
    > what, I don't care anymore.
    >
    > TO Mr Main: you essentially called me a twit for thinking it was
    > possible for a multi-billion dollar corporation to put one its own own
    > products on its front web page: minutes later, someone pointed out that
    > it had in fact been put on the HP web page in a semi-visible way
    > (doesn't work with secured browsers). I don't expect an apology from
    > you, but I hope you have learned that even for large corporations,
    > where
    > there is a will, there is a way.
    >


    First - I did not infer you were a twit. On the contrary, While I may not
    agree with all of the doom-n-gloom, you have a huge passion for OpenVMS and
    technically very astute. There is no doubt about that.

    Apology? I was simply pointing out that the main HP.com page is usually
    reserved for Mom and Pop looking for entertainment, printer drivers, laptops
    and desktop type stuff.

    And I was not kidding when I said HP literally has hundreds of products.

    The fact that HP put OpenVMS on the main site is a huge step for HP - when
    was the last time anyone saw HP-UX or NSK on the front page like this?

    In the past, threads here were full of "Why can't HP get Mark Hurd to say
    some positive things about OpenVMS?" and "why can't HP promote OpenVMS
    more on its non-OpenVMS web pages?"

    So, HP made both these happen and yet there are still some on this list who
    refuse to even acknowledge this as a good thing.

    Yes, there is lots more to do, but as they say, lets enjoy the moment.

    > For all the others: I am not the one who wrote the infamous Stallard
    > memo. I am not the one who essentially repeated that infamous policy
    > almost verbatim this past summer to Computerworld. I am not the one who
    > told Cerner et all to not bother with VMS anymore. Being angry at me
    > won't do anything to help VMS' cause.
    >
    > If the HP-employed VMS loyalists refuse to see the writing on the wall
    > then so be it, they will simply let their employer continue with their
    > policy of de-emphasising VMS out of existance.
    >


    Everyone on this list (including me) agrees there could be better marketing, but
    the HP-UX and NSK groups would say the same thing. Its not just OpenVMS.

    > HP's strategy is to not kill VMS. Doing so will ensure a good
    > proportion
    > of VMS customers leave HP and not come back for a very long time. By
    > keeping VMS on life support, they can then pull other strings to nudge
    > customers onto other HP products. Once HP has latched on to these
    > customers via other HP products, then it will be able to kill VMS and
    > there won't be much of a funeral because everyone will have left VMS by
    > then.
    >
    > One of the strings HP is now playing with is getting ISVs to reduce
    > support of VMS and move to HP-UX. So HP isn't blamed if Cerner gets
    > customers to move to HP-UX.
    >
    > HP is doing just enough so it cannot be accused of actively killing
    > VMS.
    > (Although Stallard and now Livermore have made statements that are
    > very damaging to VMS).
    >


    And Senior VP's of IBM have made very bad public statements about AIX in the past.
    Do you really think IBM is going to drop AIX anytime soon?

    Of course not.

    > It would be very simple for HP to signify that its true intentions are
    > not those mentioned above. But HP refuses to do so. It is HP that has
    > chosen to not promote VMS and only mention VMS to the installed base.


    See notes about marketing - its not a VMS only issue.

    And btw, OpenVMS is winning new Customers.

    And here is good HP web site that I like:
    http://tinyurl.com/2wcfjp
    "The amazing operating system you've never heard of"


    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.




  13. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Ken Robinson [mailto:kenrbnsn@gmail.com]
    > Sent: October 27, 2007 11:36 AM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > On 10/27/07, Dr. Dweeb wrote (in part):
    >
    > > Anyway, guys, like I have said before - there is no future for VMS

    > because
    > > HP does not want one. It constitutes about 1% of the revenues (a wild
    > > unsubstantiated guess to make a point) and is thus off Hurd's radar.

    > We all
    > > need to deal with it and get on with our lives, looking after our

    > families
    > > and looking forward to retirement on some tropical island.

    >
    > There's a good article on internetnews.com about the 30th Anniversary
    > . It seems
    > to contradict your opinion. One quote I find particularly interesting
    > is "As part of its anniversary celebrations, HP is rolling out a new
    > marketing campaign for the middle-aged OS,".
    >
    > Ken


    Hey, I like the term middle-aged OS .. has a nice ring to it.

    :-)

    Nice article.

    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.




  14. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote:

    >
    > And here is good HP web site that I like:http://tinyurl.com/2wcfjp
    > "The amazing operating system you've never heard of"
    >


    One statement in that article echoes something a customer said to me
    recently.

    This is a small manufacturer running OpenVMS on DS10 for all of their
    front and back-room accounting, procurement, planning, production, and
    distribution activities -- in other words, most everything they do
    that's important. They also have a Win2k3 server running Exchange and
    supporting some PC apps. They've replaced or "upgraded" the Windows
    server hardware three times since the DS10 was installed, and during
    the latest "upgrade" the general manager said to me: "Why can't this
    Windows stuff work like VMS? We never have to worry about VMS. It just
    works!"

    A belated Happy Birthday, OpenVMS.


  15. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Doug Phillips [mailto:dphill46@netscape.net]
    > Sent: October 27, 2007 2:01 PM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > And here is good HP web site that I like:http://tinyurl.com/2wcfjp
    > > "The amazing operating system you've never heard of"
    > >

    >
    > One statement in that article echoes something a customer said to me
    > recently.
    >
    > This is a small manufacturer running OpenVMS on DS10 for all of their
    > front and back-room accounting, procurement, planning, production, and
    > distribution activities -- in other words, most everything they do
    > that's important. They also have a Win2k3 server running Exchange and
    > supporting some PC apps. They've replaced or "upgraded" the Windows
    > server hardware three times since the DS10 was installed, and during
    > the latest "upgrade" the general manager said to me: "Why can't this
    > Windows stuff work like VMS? We never have to worry about VMS. It just
    > works!"
    >
    > A belated Happy Birthday, OpenVMS.


    And if they would like to keep their Outlook or web based email clients, but replace
    Their Exchange mail server with a plug compatible virus free server that runs on their
    DS10 with OpenVMS, check out:

    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/mail.html

    :-)

    And if they want a really, really cool demo of this, check out:
    http://www.communigate.com/pronto/de...nterprise.html

    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.







  16. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 27, 1:14 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote:
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Doug Phillips [mailto:dphil...@netscape.net]
    > > Sent: October 27, 2007 2:01 PM
    > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    >
    > > On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote:

    >
    > > > And here is good HP web site that I like:http://tinyurl.com/2wcfjp
    > > > "The amazing operating system you've never heard of"

    >
    > > One statement in that article echoes something a customer said to me
    > > recently.

    >
    > > This is a small manufacturer running OpenVMS on DS10 for all of their
    > > front and back-room accounting, procurement, planning, production, and
    > > distribution activities -- in other words, most everything they do
    > > that's important. They also have a Win2k3 server running Exchange and
    > > supporting some PC apps. They've replaced or "upgraded" the Windows
    > > server hardware three times since the DS10 was installed, and during
    > > the latest "upgrade" the general manager said to me: "Why can't this
    > > Windows stuff work like VMS? We never have to worry about VMS. It just
    > > works!"

    >
    > > A belated Happy Birthday, OpenVMS.

    >
    > And if they would like to keep their Outlook or web based email clients, but replace
    > Their Exchange mail server with a plug compatible virus free server that runs on their
    > DS10 with OpenVMS, check out:
    >
    > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/mail.html
    >
    > :-)
    >
    > And if they want a really, really cool demo of this, check out:http://www.communigate.com/pronto/de...nterprise.html
    >


    I've looked at communigate before. Looks like nice stuff and the price
    isn't bad but I've never had the opportunity to install it anywhere.

    If Exchange were the only reason to have the Windows server, they
    probably wouldn't have it. Unfortunately there are too many other
    things that either aren't available for VMS, or if they are they're
    high-priced and not made for a small business. The Open Source stuff
    I've seen that *could* be made to serve some of their needs requires
    more time and effort to support than either they or I are willing to
    invest. Their major customers have some "demands" that can most easily
    be met %100 with Windows and that's just an unfortunate fact. If they
    could run over to CompUSA or browse over to CDW and find a nice
    selection of OTS VMS app's then maybe I could convince them that VMS
    is all they need. What do you think?

    But I didn't want to cast a negative into this discussion by
    explaining why they have a Windows server and why VMS doesn't meet
    100% of their needs. I also didn't want to mention some of the other
    comments made by customers about the effort it takes to install VMS
    patches and updates, nor their concerns about VMS' future, so I won't.


  17. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Ken Robinson wrote:
    > [snip]
    > There's a good article on internetnews.com about the 30th Anniversary
    > . It seems
    > to contradict your opinion. One quote I find particularly interesting
    > is "As part of its anniversary celebrations, HP is rolling out a new
    > marketing campaign for the middle-aged OS,".


    "a new marketing campaign", eh? We'll see about that.

    --
    David J Dachtera
    dba DJE Systems
    http://www.djesys.com/

    Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/

    Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/

    Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/

    Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:
    http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

  18. Where's "Misery" Deininger? (Was: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young)

    Hi Paul,

    In my opinion there is rarely a call, or justification, for the use of such
    intemperate language in civilized society; not that that has anything to do
    with COV (or the world at large :-)

    But I'm just curious as to why Robert Whininger hasn't come out in sympathy
    with you. I'd certainly hate to think that I was being stalked or that it
    was only my Web Pages that he felt compelled to critique publicly!

    Cheers Richard Maher

    "P. Sture" wrote in message
    newsaul.sture.nospam-AFCCCD.18453925102007@mac.sture.ch...
    > In article <13i1a58g2puui17@corp.supernews.com>,
    > "Syltrem" wrote:
    >
    > > I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow.
    > >
    > > Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on

    the
    > > www.hp.com page to that 30 years celebration ?
    > > That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility.
    > > After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.?
    > >
    > > Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do.

    >
    > I _would_ make the time to attend the webcast, but the silly buggers
    > told me this in an email:
    >
    > --- start quote ---
    > First Time Participant Registration Instructions:
    >
    > 1. Go to http://www.regontap.com/encompass/index.html
    >
    > ...
    >
    > 6. Please note the RegonTap registration website will NOT work with Mac
    > or Linux machines.
    >
    > Gerhard Wedenig
    > Chairman HP-Interex EMEA
    > E-Mail: hp-interex-communications@associationhq.com
    >
    > --- end quote ---
    >
    > It's ****ing disgusting.
    >
    > --
    > Paul Sture
    >
    > Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks:
    > http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~stu...bookmarks.html




  19. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    In an industry where market presence is often measured in semi-annum a
    commercial technology such as [Open]VMS still doing its best and still
    having an enthusiastic coterie (look it up, it was chosen deliberately
    :-) after thirty years is certainly worth celebrating.

    First associated with it in 1988 when given a shelf full of manuals, VMS
    5.0, a handful of VAXen, an HSC, some lengths of the thickest coax I'd
    ever seen, and a swag of VAXstations to distribute around the building,
    it in turn gave me the best fifteen years of my working life. Over the
    years that cluster expanded to encompass some 76 nodes (upgrades were
    interesting) including a VAX 9000 (we called the grey elephant - quote
    me out of class and I'll deny it) and some of the first Alphas in the
    Southern Hemisphere. Enough to keep the couple of staff who managed it
    challenged and fully occupied.

    Congratulations VMS!
    Congratulations to the engineering team who created and developed it.
    Congratulations to its evangelists and enthusiastic supporters.

    --
    Birthdays are good for you. The more you have, the longer you live.
    [Unknown]

  20. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 27, 11:06 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote:
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca]
    > > Sent: October 27, 2007 6:13 AM
    > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    >
    > > To all those who complain about me.

    >
    > > There will come a time (perhaps sooner rather than later) where I
    > > really
    > > just won't care anymore about VMS and will laugh instead of cry when HP
    > > execs go in public to mention that VMS is for the installed based only
    > > and will now refrain from saying anything more than "we will continue
    > > to
    > > support it" (with the word "developed" no longer mentioned.) And when
    > > HP
    > > announces the end of the line for VMS, it won't bother me anymore
    > > because I will have moved on to a platform that doesn't generate so
    > > much
    > > anger and incertainty because the vendor is unwilling to do the
    > > simplest
    > > things to market the product and try to give it the life it deserves.

    >
    > > I was about to write a nice "press release" example to show what HP
    > > could have done to really celebrate the 30th anniversary, but you know
    > > what, I don't care anymore.

    >
    > > TO Mr Main: you essentially called me a twit for thinking it was
    > > possible for a multi-billion dollar corporation to put one its own own
    > > products on its front web page: minutes later, someone pointed out that
    > > it had in fact been put on the HP web page in a semi-visible way
    > > (doesn't work with secured browsers). I don't expect an apology from
    > > you, but I hope you have learned that even for large corporations,
    > > where
    > > there is a will, there is a way.

    >
    > First - I did not infer you were a twit. On the contrary, While I may not
    > agree with all of the doom-n-gloom, you have a huge passion for OpenVMS and
    > technically very astute. There is no doubt about that.
    >
    > Apology? I was simply pointing out that the main HP.com page is usually
    > reserved for Mom and Pop looking for entertainment, printer drivers, laptops
    > and desktop type stuff.
    >
    > And I was not kidding when I said HP literally has hundreds of products.
    >
    > The fact that HP put OpenVMS on the main site is a huge step for HP - when
    > was the last time anyone saw HP-UX or NSK on the front page like this?


    It doesn't matter to him or others like him. I can see it now:

    "Yeah, it's on the front page, but that's only if you look at it!"

    -OR-

    "... but that's only if you go to the site!" (!!!)

    > In the past, threads here were full of "Why can't HP get Mark Hurd to say
    > some positive things about OpenVMS?" and "why can't HP promote OpenVMS
    > more on its non-OpenVMS web pages?"


    Again, I can hear the following:

    "Yeah, but that's only if you listen to him!"

    I'm surprised these comments haven't already been made! ;-)

    > So, HP made both these happen and yet there are still some on this list who
    > refuse to even acknowledge this as a good thing.


    Yep! I, for one, think this is great.

    >
    > Yes, there is lots more to do, but as they say, lets enjoy the moment.


    Agreed! Some POSITIVE letters to hp execs wouldn't hurt. Be thankful
    and encourage more of the same.

    [...]

    > Regards
    >
    > Kerry Main
    > Senior Consultant
    > HP Services Canada
    > Voice: 613-592-4660
    > Fax: 613-591-4477
    > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    > (remove the DOT's and AT)
    >
    > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.


    Another great sig worth the repetition it gets.

    AEF


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