Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young - VMS

This is a discussion on Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young - VMS ; IanMiller wrote: > Visit > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!! > > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html > OpenVMS customers have been paranoid about HP's intend with their OS, and with good reason. With that ...

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  1. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    IanMiller wrote:
    > Visit
    > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!
    >
    > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html
    >

    OpenVMS customers have been paranoid about HP's intend with their OS,
    and with good reason.

    With that in mind, I wonder if anyone noticed that Mr. Hurd said that HP
    would support OpenVMS , not support and continue to develop OpenVMS or
    something similar.

    I don't know if this is significant, maybe we should ask for a
    clarification?


  2. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Hi,

    I was around for 25 of those (for the most part) glorious years. What a
    crazy ride!

    I look forward to the next 25 (hopefully slightly less eventful) years with
    still the best server OS on the planet.

    Well done to all past and present who produced a product of such quality
    that it has survived, and continued to flourish, through such difficult
    times.

    The core OS engineers and the compiler guys are owed a debt of gratitude
    from all (me anyway) of us - Well done! (If only the layered product,
    middleware *and middle management* wankers could see what's starring them in
    the face, then the bottom line would be so much healthier! "Middleware for
    Dummies"? Dummies all right! Not one bloody chapter in there is still being
    actively supported to customers :-( Anyway, I tried not to whinge; go off
    and have a well deserved beer. I imagine that they'd be a gathering of many
    old faces at various DEC sites at the moment - The drinks are on you :-)

    Cheers Richard Maher

    "IanMiller" wrote in message
    news:1193307403.906042.299730@o38g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
    > Visit
    > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!
    >
    > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html
    >




  3. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    In article , Dirk Munk writes:
    > OpenVMS customers have been paranoid about HP's intend with their OS,
    > and with good reason.
    >
    > With that in mind, I wonder if anyone noticed that Mr. Hurd said that HP
    > would support OpenVMS , not support and continue to develop OpenVMS or
    > something similar.
    >
    > I don't know if this is significant, maybe we should ask for a
    > clarification?


    Maybe you're splitting hairs on a bald man.


  4. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 25, 9:31 am, "Syltrem" wrote:
    > > HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS and
    > > whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down with the
    > > ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel and HP-UX.
    > > HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep telling us that the
    > > ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising water. At one point,
    > > HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot be recovered and will
    > > sink momentarily.

    >
    > I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow.
    >
    > Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on thewww.hp.compage to that 30 years celebration ?
    > That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility.
    > After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.?
    >
    > Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Syltrem


    I sent a note to Martin Fink and Scott Stallard on this and got a
    reply from Stallard. There is a link from the Enterprise home page
    for servers, with an interesting title "The amazing OS you've never
    heard of".

    http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/...v/servers.html

    He also mentioned that he asked the corp HP team for a link at the top
    page.

    Dave...


  5. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.

    Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    another gripe session.

    I did like the splitting hairs on the bald guy comment.

    My thanks and appreciation to Sue and all the others that I probably
    don't know who put together the 30th anniversary stuff.

    Happy Anniversary VMS !!!

    Dave...


  6. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    DaveG wrote:
    > Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.
    >
    > Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    > get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    > another gripe session...


    I totaly agree !!

    Someone complainted on that HP aren't helping those who
    make their living on VMS.

    Well, *I* have no problem with *HP*.
    The largest threat against me making my living on
    VMS seems to come from cov itself...

    I just couldn't care less if this and that doesn't run
    on a VAX (or a uV-II in particular).

    > My thanks and appreciation to Sue and all the others that I probably
    > don't know who put together the 30th anniversary stuff.


    It's a mistery to me how Sue can stand all the neg feedback
    on just about every post she does ! Amazing...

    Best Regards,
    Jan-Erik.

  7. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young


    "DaveG" wrote in message
    news:1193411360.720813.301570@o3g2000hsb.googlegro ups.com...
    > Just an observation on what I've noticed in this thread.
    >
    > Rather than celebrate 30 years and all the efforts it probably took to
    > get the Mark Hurd video and web site put together, it turned into yet
    > another gripe session.
    >
    > I did like the splitting hairs on the bald guy comment.
    >
    > My thanks and appreciation to Sue and all the others that I probably
    > don't know who put together the 30th anniversary stuff.
    >
    > Happy Anniversary VMS !!!
    >
    > Dave...
    >


    I second that.
    Indeed that is all good work and it`s important that it doesn`t stay just
    between us.

    I`m glad to see the Servers page has a link to it. Thanks for following up
    on this.

    There should also be something to catch the eye, on this page:
    http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/...ftware_os.html

    Long live VMS !

    Syltrem



  8. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > Visit
    > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    > and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!
    >
    > Post your own message at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html
    >


    Happy anniversary VMS. I have been using VMS to put food on my table since
    9-JUL-1984. The late Chris Moore used to kid that I was a newbie since he
    had his first VMS system delivered on 3-JUL-1984, I never had the heart to
    tell him that I spent three years in college learning about computers on a
    VAX

    Congratulations to everyone involved in the greatest operating system in the
    world. Here's to the next 30.

    Peter Weaver
    www.weaverconsulting.ca
    CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial
    Hardware


  9. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Bob Koehler wrote:
    > In article , Dirk Munk writes:
    >> With that in mind, I wonder if anyone noticed that Mr. Hurd said that HP
    >> would support OpenVMS , not support and continue to develop OpenVMS



    > Maybe you're splitting hairs on a bald man.



    The fact that a customer would make such a statement is indicative that
    there isn't much trust in HP truly intending to leverage the full
    potential of VMS.


    The fact that Hurd only talks to the VMS community instead of
    celebrating VMS' 30th anniversary with the media at large is also an
    indication that even on its birthday, VMS isn't good enough to HP to be
    mentioned in the real world.

    And when talking to the VMS community, if the best he can come up with
    is "continue to support", then that says a lot about just how far HP is
    willing to go with VMS.

    And as long as the HP staff loyal to VMS are unwilling to admit that
    there is a problem with VMS within HP and continue to paint a rosy
    picture and deny all our fears, then the VMS community will not rise up
    to convince HP upper management to change their strategy with regards to
    VMS.

    Nobody is asking HP to stop making expensive plastic cartridges with a
    few mm of coloured water in them. But that does not prevent HP from
    allowing VMS to be marketed and giving it back the human resources
    needed to continue proper development of VMS and give it a shot of
    energy to help fix all the problems started by Palmer, Curly and Carly.

  10. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 25, 6:02 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
    > In article <1193307403.906042.299...@o38g2000hse.googlegroups. com>, IanMiller writes:
    >
    > >Visit
    > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/30th/index.html
    > >and see Mark Hurd talk about VMS!!!

    >
    > >Post your own message athttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/fb_30years.html

    >
    > OpvnVMS is misspelled on that page! :roll:
    >
    > --
    > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM
    >
    > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"
    >
    > http://tmesis.com/drat.html


    There's a typo in one of the "past" flash page popups. When I tried
    to send a feedback (using the feedback link on the page) I got the
    expected feedback screen but when I submitted that I got the error:

    Unable to load the mail file from /var/opt/web/whp-web/vhost/offweb/
    Main/whpadmin/control/mail-codes.txt

    Other than that, and the fact that the videos with their audio
    accompaniment started up automatically without being asked (rather
    jarring at work), its a pretty nice site and tribute.


  11. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On Oct 26, 10:25 am, DaveG wrote:
    > On Oct 25, 9:31 am, "Syltrem" wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > > HP doesn't care about all the people who have bet their careers on VMS and
    > > > whose skills are now worthless and unmarketable, we're going down with the
    > > > ship and it won't affect any of their real customers on Wintel and HP-UX.
    > > > HP will give us a bit of music to appease us, and keep telling us that the
    > > > ship is unsinkable and to not worry about the rising water. At one point,
    > > > HP will make an announcement that the ship cannot be recovered and will
    > > > sink momentarily.

    >
    > > I won't be able to attend the webcast tomorrow.

    >
    > > Can someone ask Martin Fink (at the webcast) why there's not a link on thewww.hp.compageto that 30 years celebration ?
    > > That's not expensive to do at all, and would add some visibility.
    > > After all, HP is celebrating, or is it not.?

    >
    > > Please do not answer ! Let Mr. Fink do.

    >
    > > Thanks
    > > Syltrem

    >
    > I sent a note to Martin Fink and Scott Stallard on this and got a
    > reply from Stallard. There is a link from the Enterprise home page
    > for servers, with an interesting title "The amazing OS you've never
    > heard of".
    >
    > http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/...v/servers.html
    >
    > He also mentioned that he asked the corp HP team for a link at the top
    > page.
    >
    > Dave...- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Dave here is an updated url
    HP.Com

    click on Large Enterprise Business or go directly to
    http://www.hp.com/country/us/en/solutions/leb.html


  12. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Sue wrote:

    > click on Large Enterprise Business or go directly to
    > http://www.hp.com/country/us/en/solutions/leb.html


    While this is a definite improvement over normal treatment of VMS, is
    there a reason HP couldn't even put this up on its main page for at
    least one day ?

    If they can put up text about HP sponsoring some solar powered car, then
    Shirley they could have mentioned one of their own products having
    lasted 30 years.

    I am sure there are great administrative excuses that make it impossible
    for the VMS group to get any exposure on http://www.hp.com even on what
    should have been such an important event. But they are just that: excuses.

    If Hurd had called the guy in charge of the main page and told him he
    wanted VMS featured on the main page for 1 day on its 30th anniversary,
    it would have been done without any hassles.

    Nobody is criticising the work done by the VMS folks. But the lack of
    real support from the HP top management is what is worrying people, and
    this occasion has only underlined this at a time when they had such a
    great opportunity to show the world (not just us) that they really want
    VMS to grow.

  13. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    In article <1SnUi.12283$ZA.8010@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes:
    >Well, *I* have no problem with *HP*.
    >The largest threat against me making my living on
    >VMS seems to come from cov itself...


    Not for me. I'm for more than a decade on retreat combat with/for VMS
    and I'm still loosing ground (and COV has *NOTHING* to do with it - it
    started with DEC here which claimed that there will never be a VMS V6!)...

    >I just couldn't care less if this and that doesn't run
    >on a VAX (or a uV-II in particular).


    So do I. My last VAX in its last days. (my Itanic comes next month and
    I also will start with SIMH sometimes). But VAX is not VMS...

    >> My thanks and appreciation to Sue and all the others that I probably
    >> don't know who put together the 30th anniversary stuff.


    I second that!!

    >It's a mistery to me how Sue can stand all the neg feedback
    >on just about every post she does ! Amazing...


    It's also a mistery how she is still allowed to fight (so loud
    and successfully) for VMS (within HPQ) for years now...

    And Sue understands that COV criticize HP (toplevel) and not her personally!

    My hugs to Sue and keep your head up

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  14. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca]
    > Sent: October 26, 2007 2:36 PM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > Sue wrote:
    >
    > > click on Large Enterprise Business or go directly to
    > > http://www.hp.com/country/us/en/solutions/leb.html

    >
    > While this is a definite improvement over normal treatment of VMS, is
    > there a reason HP couldn't even put this up on its main page for at
    > least one day ?
    >
    > If they can put up text about HP sponsoring some solar powered car,
    > then
    > Shirley they could have mentioned one of their own products having
    > lasted 30 years.
    >
    > I am sure there are great administrative excuses that make it
    > impossible
    > for the VMS group to get any exposure on http://www.hp.com even on what
    > should have been such an important event. But they are just that:
    > excuses.
    >


    Jf -

    What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?

    Geeze .. Can't you say at least one nice note without bringing in all the black
    helicopter theories?

    You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company with literally
    hundreds of products.

    [snip...]

    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.





  15. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    On 10/26/07, Main, Kerry wrote:
    > What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?
    >
    > Geeze .. Can't you say at least one nice note without bringing in all the black
    > helicopter theories?
    >
    > You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company with literally
    > hundreds of products.
    >


    It's out on the main hp.com page right now. You will see it if the
    "Large Enterprise Business" tab is active.

    Ken

  16. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Ken Robinson wrote:
    > On 10/26/07, Main, Kerry wrote:
    >> What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?
    >>
    >> Geeze .. Can't you say at least one nice note without bringing in all the black
    >> helicopter theories?
    >>
    >> You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company with literally
    >> hundreds of products.
    >>

    >
    > It's out on the main hp.com page right now. You will see it if the
    > "Large Enterprise Business" tab is active.
    >
    > Ken


    Right, so let's wait and see what's wrong *now*... :-)

    Jan-Erik.

  17. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    In article , "Main, Kerry" writes:
    >What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?


    What is your fascination with JF postings?
    Only because he is still putting the finger in the wound
    (while all other got bored repeating itself pointing to the obvious
    and stopped years ago)?

    Don't shoot the messenger...

    (though I often get bored of JF postings, too)

    --
    Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist

  18. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Bob Koehler wrote:
    > In article , Dirk Munk writes:
    >> OpenVMS customers have been paranoid about HP's intend with their OS,
    >> and with good reason.
    >>
    >> With that in mind, I wonder if anyone noticed that Mr. Hurd said that HP
    >> would support OpenVMS , not support and continue to develop OpenVMS or
    >> something similar.
    >>
    >> I don't know if this is significant, maybe we should ask for a
    >> clarification?

    >
    > Maybe you're splitting hairs on a bald man.
    >

    Don't you remember the days that Digital / Compaq etc. told us that of
    course they would support VMS customers, but that they also would be
    very happy to assist VMS customers to migrate their application to WinNT
    or Unix? Customers understood very well what was meant by that: MOVE
    AWAY FROM VMS !! And they did.

    Mr. Hurd must be aware of this history, and so we may expect him to be
    very precise in what he is saying about VMS. The fact that he doesn't
    say anything about the future or vitality of VMS and only talks about
    supporting it may have some significance.

    Sometimes the true meaning of a speech doesn't lie in what has been
    said, but in what hasn't been said. History is full of examples.

  19. RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER [mailtoeter@langstoeger.at]
    > Sent: October 26, 2007 3:36 PM
    > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com
    > Subject: RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young
    >
    > In article
    > > t>, "Main, Kerry" writes:
    > >What is this fascination you have with the main page on HP.com?

    >
    > What is your fascination with JF postings?
    > Only because he is still putting the finger in the wound
    > (while all other got bored repeating itself pointing to the obvious
    > and stopped years ago)?
    >
    > Don't shoot the messenger...
    >
    > (though I often get bored of JF postings, too)
    >
    > --
    > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER
    > Network and OpenVMS system specialist
    > E-mail peter@langstoeger.at
    > A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist


    Well, its one thing to constantly say its raining, but when the sun comes out
    occasionally, there is nothing wrong with recognizing that a bit of sun shine
    is a good thing. Enjoy it.

    Regards


    Kerry Main
    Senior Consultant
    HP Services Canada
    Voice: 613-592-4660
    Fax: 613-591-4477
    kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom
    (remove the DOT's and AT)

    OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.




  20. Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young

    Main, Kerry wrote:

    > You obviously have no idea of the inner workings of a $100B company with literally
    > hundreds of products.


    Obviously not. And obviously companies like Microsoft, Sun, Apple etc
    also have no clue since they have no problem using their main mage to
    brag about certain achievements or new products.

    I am not sure whether the VMS loyalists within HP just have to defend
    their company even though deep down they know that the customers are
    right, or whether they just accept that this is how every large
    corporation functions and see nothing wrong with HP refusing to
    advertise VMS, even refuse to send out press releases, or perhaps they
    are truly naive and see absolutely nothing wrong with the way VMS is
    treated by HP and really wonder why customers see plenty of wrong ways
    in which HP is handling VMS.

    Perhaps McQuaid should hire a sacrificial loud mouth who could wreak
    havok within HP to sensitise people to the potential of VMS and how
    upper management should change their attitudes towards VMS, even though
    that would surely result in that person being fired fairly quickly.

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