I tested the "abort" issue on the same system previously mentioned with the
latest downloaded trial version 4.5 of Backup Exec Pro - SAME RESULT. Any
problem with any disk - even the last disk after an hour of backup, and Backup
Exec PRO 4.5 abandons the backup set and returns to the main screen. Why
can't it simply ask for a different disk and continue that portion of the
set? Veritas - please improve this basic attribute, or list other hardware
other than HP 8200 drives where it somehow isn't a problem. Otherwise, it
makes CDRW type backups an exercise in insanity.

-Matt Weaver


"Matt Weaver" wrote:
>
>I am attempting backups using CDRW Media that typically span multiple CDRW.
> I use the best media I can get (I've tried multiple makes too). If there
>is any media error, even hours in on the last disk at 99% finished, BExec
>abandons the entire set and I have the pleasure of erasing the disks and
>gambling another attempt. This can go on for days with no backup. Any
help
>would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a newer version than the one I paid
>for handles this more gracefully (say, allowing me to replace just the "bad"
>disk and continue the process), and I might actually get some backups accomplished?
> It is vain for me to continue this insanity. Thanks.
>
>Using:
>
>Backup Exec Version 4.2 (Retail)
>Build D99 240B34A
>
>HP CD-Writer+ 8200
>Xcd Dll Version 2.1.0177
>1.0f firmware
>* relatively few hours on the drive, purchased new. Clean enviro
>* all other apps shut down, no virus background apps.
>* windows 98 200 Mhz mmx pentium

I contacted Veritas support - indeed Backup Exec 4.2 and the latest Backup
Exec PRO 4.5 abandon the entire backup set if anything goes wrong (read,
write, seek) with any of the disks, even the last one in the set. They say
they hope to have it for the next version, but not 4.2, or 4.3, or 4.4, or
4.5.

Bottom line, the bigger the backup, the less likely you'll ever get it done
and the more likely you'll waste lots of time. So you're not likely to be
able to even do larger backups onto a major "desktop" media such as CDRW
/ CDR with Backup Exec PRO. Maybe we should all have tape drives and CDRW
drives combined.

I should note these efforts were all done with name-brand media 4X or higher,
at 4x speed or lower, on a nearly brand-new HP 8200 with the latest firmware
for the drive. Perhaps no media works, or perhaps someone venture to share
what of all the brands if any actually does. Perhaps I got a lemon drive,
or lemon disks, but I don't think HPs QC is likely to be that bad.

Is there any other brand of backup software that handles this more gracefully?
I'd like to accomplish my backups, and not have to divide them into 20-something
individual sub-650MB sets, or go out and buy a tape drive for full sets that
I'll rarely use.

"Matt Weaver" wrote:
>
>I am attempting backups using CDRW Media that typically span multiple CDRW.
> I use the best media I can get (I've tried multiple makes too). If there
>is any media error, even hours in on the last disk at 99% finished, BExec
>abandons the entire set and I have the pleasure of erasing the disks and
>gambling another attempt. This can go on for days with no backup. Any
help
>would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a newer version than the one I paid
>for handles this more gracefully (say, allowing me to replace just the "bad"
>disk and continue the process), and I might actually get some backups accomplished?
> It is vain for me to continue this insanity. Thanks.
>
>Using:
>
>Backup Exec Version 4.2 (Retail)
>Build D99 240B34A
>
>HP CD-Writer+ 8200
>Xcd Dll Version 2.1.0177
>1.0f firmware
>* relatively few hours on the drive, purchased new. Clean enviro
>* all other apps shut down, no virus background apps.
>* windows 98 200 Mhz mmx pentium

All versions of Freakin Seagate/Veritas have done this forever. When I had
a 2x RW drive three years ago, it was even funner.
I'm really pissed that they still haven't fixed the problem. I used to spend
and entire afternoon doing backups just to get a decent set one every quarter.
Now I just do my critical backups by hand with Nero. There is NO software
out there that backs up to CD-RW in a logical manner. If anyone ever finds
one, please let me know.


"Matt Weaver" wrote:
>
>I am attempting backups using CDRW Media that typically span multiple CDRW.
> I use the best media I can get (I've tried multiple makes too). If there
>is any media error, even hours in on the last disk at 99% finished, BExec
>abandons the entire set and I have the pleasure of erasing the disks and
>gambling another attempt. This can go on for days with no backup. Any
help
>would be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a newer version than the one I paid
>for handles this more gracefully (say, allowing me to replace just the "bad"
>disk and continue the process), and I might actually get some backups accomplished?
> It is vain for me to continue this insanity. Thanks.
>
>Using:
>
>Backup Exec Version 4.2 (Retail)
>Build D99 240B34A
>
>HP CD-Writer+ 8200
>Xcd Dll Version 2.1.0177
>1.0f firmware
>* relatively few hours on the drive, purchased new. Clean enviro
>* all other apps shut down, no virus background apps.
>* windows 98 200 Mhz mmx pentium

Well, I'm glad it's not just me. But it doesn't do a thing for the
frustration factor. This seems to have started shortly after switching to
Windows ME on a new 1 GHz Pentium III. I can't recall ever having this
problem on our Pentium Pro's with Win95/98/98SE.
___

"Matt Weaver" wrote in message
news:3a773ba0$1@hronntp01....
>
> I contacted Veritas support - indeed Backup Exec 4.2 and the latest Backup
> Exec PRO 4.5 abandon the entire backup set if anything goes wrong (read,
> write, seek) with any of the disks, even the last one in the set. They
say
> they hope to have it for the next version, but not 4.2, or 4.3, or 4.4, or
> 4.5.
>
> Bottom line, the bigger the backup, the less likely you'll ever get it
done
> and the more likely you'll waste lots of time. So you're not likely to be
> able to even do larger backups onto a major "desktop" media such as CDRW
> / CDR with Backup Exec PRO. Maybe we should all have tape drives and CDRW
> drives combined.
>
> I should note these efforts were all done with name-brand media 4X or
higher,
> at 4x speed or lower, on a nearly brand-new HP 8200 with the latest
firmware
> for the drive. Perhaps no media works, or perhaps someone venture to
share
> what of all the brands if any actually does. Perhaps I got a lemon drive,
> or lemon disks, but I don't think HPs QC is likely to be that bad.
>
> Is there any other brand of backup software that handles this more
gracefully?
> I'd like to accomplish my backups, and not have to divide them into
20-something
> individual sub-650MB sets, or go out and buy a tape drive for full sets
that
> I'll rarely use.

> There is NO software
> out there that backs up to CD-RW in a logical manner.
> If anyone ever finds one, please let me know.
>

Drive Image 4.0 or Ghost 2001

John
jrfree at bigfoot dot com

I'm still trying to get an image on CDRW with Drive Image 4.0 - it keeps
aborting at the end of the first CD with error# 1805, which (according to
PQ's KB) is the error that usually occurs when trying to use an older CDRW
Drive. As mine is a supposedly supported NEW (Plextor 12/10/32A) Drive, I
don't know what it's problem is????




"John F" wrote in message
news:MPG.1514062e87a24da99896a7@news.support.verit as.com...
> > There is NO software
> > out there that backs up to CD-RW in a logical manner.
> > If anyone ever finds one, please let me know.
> >
>
> Drive Image 4.0 or Ghost 2001
>
> John
> jrfree at bigfoot dot com

> I'm still trying to get an image on CDRW with Drive Image 4.0 - it keeps
> aborting at the end of the first CD with error# 1805, which (according to
> PQ's KB) is the error that usually occurs when trying to use an older CDRW
> Drive. As mine is a supposedly supported NEW (Plextor 12/10/32A) Drive, I
> don't know what it's problem is????

Have you tried using cdr instead of cdrw? There have been lots of issues
dealing with writing to cdrw's that work fine writing to cdr. The cost of
cdr is so cheap, it's worth it (in my opinion) to have a permanent backup.

John
jrfree at bigfoot dot com

I'm about to give it a go, but it's still a case of "doesn't do as
advertised". Pity really because I've been pretty impressed with
PartitionMagic and thought DriveImage would be to the same standard. How
wrong can you be.......??




"John F" wrote in message
news:MPG.15142d82a8413f959896a9@news.support.verit as.com...
> > I'm still trying to get an image on CDRW with Drive Image 4.0 - it keeps
> > aborting at the end of the first CD with error# 1805, which (according
to
> > PQ's KB) is the error that usually occurs when trying to use an older
CDRW
> > Drive. As mine is a supposedly supported NEW (Plextor 12/10/32A) Drive,
I
> > don't know what it's problem is????
>
> Have you tried using cdr instead of cdrw? There have been lots of issues
> dealing with writing to cdrw's that work fine writing to cdr. The cost of
> cdr is so cheap, it's worth it (in my opinion) to have a permanent backup.
>
> John
> jrfree at bigfoot dot com

> I'm about to give it a go, but it's still a case of "doesn't do as
> advertised". Pity really because I've been pretty impressed with
> PartitionMagic and thought DriveImage would be to the same standard. How
> wrong can you be.......??

Does "about to give it a go" mean you're going to try cdr media? I didn't
quite understand your comment.

I hope this question doesn't sound elementary but you do have your Plextor
drive on secondary IDE channel, separate from your hard drive? You
definately wouldn't want any cd burner on same channel as disk drive.

John
jrfree at bigfoot dot com

"John F" wrote in message
news:MPG.151486a9aba97abb9896ab@news.support.verit as.com...
> > I'm about to give it a go, but it's still a case of "doesn't do as
> > advertised". Pity really because I've been pretty impressed with
> > PartitionMagic and thought DriveImage would be to the same standard. How
> > wrong can you be.......??
>
> Does "about to give it a go" mean you're going to try cdr media? I didn't
> quite understand your comment.

Yes, that is what I meant sorry.

However, that's kind of been pre-empted because CDRW with NO COMPRESSION
seems to now be working fine. (At least, that is to say, I now have an
image - unfortunately, I don't have a large enough free partition to test a
restore).

The only thing is it's a bit slow as it insists on burning at 4x (rather
than the drives max 10x) and with no compression, it takes six disks ugh!

I do hope they get it fixed soon - but even as it is, it's still a vast
improvement over the hassles involved with trying to use BE Desktop
4.5..........

>
> I hope this question doesn't sound elementary but you do have your Plextor
> drive on secondary IDE channel, separate from your hard drive? You
> definately wouldn't want any cd burner on same channel as disk drive.

Well, it is kind of elementary, but as you have no way of knowing my level
of knowledge, I won't take offence ;-)

Unlike some people (no names) who send you private emails telling you to
F**K O*F

Eh. soyboy.........


>
> John
> jrfree at bigfoot dot com

> However, that's kind of been pre-empted because CDRW with NO COMPRESSION
> seems to now be working fine. (At least, that is to say, I now have an
> image - unfortunately, I don't have a large enough free partition to test a
> restore).
>
> The only thing is it's a bit slow as it insists on burning at 4x (rather
> than the drives max 10x) and with no compression, it takes six disks ugh!
>
> I do hope they get it fixed soon - but even as it is, it's still a vast
> improvement over the hassles involved with trying to use BE Desktop
> 4.5..........

One other thing which could affect you: Check for bios or driver updates
for your motherboard/chipset.

I was getting slow throughput writing to a NTFS partition, and accidently
ran across a post from someone mentioning special drivers for my chipset
(VIA) required for DOS for UDMA support for my specific chipset.

Of course Windows 2000 (or 98) may already have the correct ones, but when
booting from a DOS diskette, no one else is going to know what your chipset
it.

Bottom line was that I included the driver in my config.sys on my diskette,
and got a 25% throughput improvement.

Since you have an IDE cd-burner, it's worth investigating.

Also, what happens when you inrease the compression in DI 4.0?
And of course I still think cdr is better choice and worth trying.

John
jrfree at bigfoot dot com

How can you tell what speed BE is writing at?? I have BE 4.21 and I can't
tell.
"Steve Renouf" wrote in message
news:3aac1b75@hronntp01....
>
> "John F" wrote in message
> news:MPG.151486a9aba97abb9896ab@news.support.verit as.com...
> > > I'm about to give it a go, but it's still a case of "doesn't do as
> > > advertised". Pity really because I've been pretty impressed with
> > > PartitionMagic and thought DriveImage would be to the same standard.
How
> > > wrong can you be.......??
> >
> > Does "about to give it a go" mean you're going to try cdr media? I
didn't
> > quite understand your comment.
>
> Yes, that is what I meant sorry.
>
> However, that's kind of been pre-empted because CDRW with NO COMPRESSION
> seems to now be working fine. (At least, that is to say, I now have an
> image - unfortunately, I don't have a large enough free partition to test
a
> restore).
>
> The only thing is it's a bit slow as it insists on burning at 4x (rather
> than the drives max 10x) and with no compression, it takes six disks ugh!
>
> I do hope they get it fixed soon - but even as it is, it's still a vast
> improvement over the hassles involved with trying to use BE Desktop
> 4.5..........
>
> >
> > I hope this question doesn't sound elementary but you do have your
Plextor
> > drive on secondary IDE channel, separate from your hard drive? You
> > definately wouldn't want any cd burner on same channel as disk drive.
>
> Well, it is kind of elementary, but as you have no way of knowing my level
> of knowledge, I won't take offence ;-)
>
> Unlike some people (no names) who send you private emails telling you to
> F**K O*F
>
> Eh. soyboy.........
>
>
> >
> > John
> > jrfree at bigfoot dot com
>
>
>
>

Me neither. Having said that, it does seem to be a fair bit faster than
DI4, so I suspect it's operating at the speed of the CD disk/Drive
combination. The biggest problem with BE is having to restore from within
windows - you then get the problems of file protection......... and can't do
a proper restore.



"Frank" wrote in message news:3ad25312$1@hronntp01....
> How can you tell what speed BE is writing at?? I have BE 4.21 and I can't
> tell.
> "Steve Renouf" wrote in message
> news:3aac1b75@hronntp01....
> >
> > "John F" wrote in message
> > news:MPG.151486a9aba97abb9896ab@news.support.verit as.com...
> > > > I'm about to give it a go, but it's still a case of "doesn't do as
> > > > advertised". Pity really because I've been pretty impressed with
> > > > PartitionMagic and thought DriveImage would be to the same standard.
> How
> > > > wrong can you be.......??
> > >
> > > Does "about to give it a go" mean you're going to try cdr media? I
> didn't
> > > quite understand your comment.
> >
> > Yes, that is what I meant sorry.
> >
> > However, that's kind of been pre-empted because CDRW with NO COMPRESSION
> > seems to now be working fine. (At least, that is to say, I now have an
> > image - unfortunately, I don't have a large enough free partition to
test
> a
> > restore).
> >
> > The only thing is it's a bit slow as it insists on burning at 4x (rather
> > than the drives max 10x) and with no compression, it takes six disks
ugh!
> >
> > I do hope they get it fixed soon - but even as it is, it's still a vast
> > improvement over the hassles involved with trying to use BE Desktop
> > 4.5..........
> >
> > >
> > > I hope this question doesn't sound elementary but you do have your
> Plextor
> > > drive on secondary IDE channel, separate from your hard drive? You
> > > definately wouldn't want any cd burner on same channel as disk drive.
> >
> > Well, it is kind of elementary, but as you have no way of knowing my
level
> > of knowledge, I won't take offence ;-)
> >
> > Unlike some people (no names) who send you private emails telling you to
> > F**K O*F
> >
> > Eh. soyboy.........
> >
> >
> > >
> > > John
> > > jrfree at bigfoot dot com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>