Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else Overwrite)

"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>
>Hello,
>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a LTO drive
>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around 24GB on
>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to handle
>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However afer
>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time. Am
>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want it
not
>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the week.
>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files and
>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.

I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly on Sat.
The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily starts
around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same media
set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The Append
period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
separate.
Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions on
this news group.


"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>
>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
Overwrite)
>
>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>
>>Hello,
>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a LTO drive
>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around 24GB
on
>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to handle
>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However afer
>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time.
Am
>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want it
>not
>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the week.
>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files and
>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>

What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change the ones
that do the append to either of the two.

Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"

"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>
>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly on
Sat.
>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily starts
>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same media
>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The Append
>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
>separate.
>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions on
>this news group.
>
>
>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>
>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
>Overwrite)
>>
>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a LTO
drive
>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around 24GB
>on
>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to handle
>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However afer
>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time.
>Am
>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want it
>>not
>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the week.
>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files and
>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>>
>

Both jobs are set to Append to media, Overwrite if no appendable media is
available.

Jon
"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>
>What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
>Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change the
ones
>that do the append to either of the two.
>
>Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"
>
>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>
>>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly on
>Sat.
>>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily starts
>>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
>>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same media
>>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The Append
>>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
>>separate.
>>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions
on
>>this news group.
>>
>>
>>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>>
>>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
>>Overwrite)
>>>
>>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a LTO
>drive
>>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around 24GB
>>on
>>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to handle
>>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However
afer
>>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
>>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time.
>>Am
>>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want
it
>>>not
>>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the week.
>>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files
and
>>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>>>
>>
>

Does the Append job specify the same media set as the first/full job?

Jon Maynard wrote:

> Both jobs are set to Append to media, Overwrite if no appendable media is
> available.
>
> Jon
> "Ken Putnam" wrote:
> >
> >What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
> >Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change the
> ones
> >that do the append to either of the two.
> >
> >Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"
> >
> >"Jon Maynard" wrote:
> >>
> >>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly on
> >Sat.
> >>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily starts
> >>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
> >>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same media
> >>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The Append
> >>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
> >>separate.
> >>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions
> on
> >>this news group.
> >>
> >>
> >>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
> >>Overwrite)
> >>>
> >>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Hello,
> >>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a LTO
> >drive
> >>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around 24GB
> >>on
> >>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to handle
> >>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However
> afer
> >>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
> >>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time.
> >>Am
> >>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want
> it
> >>>not
> >>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the week.
> >>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files
> and
> >>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
> >>>
> >>
> >

I only have two media sets. A Daily media set and a Weekly media set. The
two daily jobs have the Daily media set assigned to these jobs.
Jon

Ken Putnam wrote:
>Does the Append job specify the same media set as the first/full job?
>
>Jon Maynard wrote:
>
>> Both jobs are set to Append to media, Overwrite if no appendable media
is
>> available.
>>
>> Jon
>> "Ken Putnam" wrote:
>> >
>> >What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
>> >Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change the
>> ones
>> >that do the append to either of the two.
>> >
>> >Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"
>> >
>> >"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>> >>
>> >>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly
on
>> >Sat.
>> >>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily starts
>> >>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
>> >>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same
media
>> >>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The
Append
>> >>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
>> >>separate.
>> >>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions
>> on
>> >>this news group.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
>> >>Overwrite)
>> >>>
>> >>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Hello,
>> >>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a
LTO
>> >drive
>> >>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around
24GB
>> >>on
>> >>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to
handle
>> >>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However
>> afer
>> >>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media expiration
>> >>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append time.
>> >>Am
>> >>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want
>> it
>> >>>not
>> >>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the
week.
>> >>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files
>> and
>> >>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>

Only thing that I can see is that as far as BENT is concerned, scratch media
is not appendable, but the selection you have should handle that.

You may have to break down and open an incident with Veritas. I'm out of
ideas at this point.

"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>
>I only have two media sets. A Daily media set and a Weekly media set. The
>two daily jobs have the Daily media set assigned to these jobs.
>Jon
>
>Ken Putnam wrote:
>>Does the Append job specify the same media set as the first/full job?
>>
>>Jon Maynard wrote:
>>
>>> Both jobs are set to Append to media, Overwrite if no appendable media
>is
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> "Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
>>> >Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change
the
>>> ones
>>> >that do the append to either of the two.
>>> >
>>> >Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"
>>> >
>>> >"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly
>on
>>> >Sat.
>>> >>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily
starts
>>> >>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
>>> >>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same
>media
>>> >>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The
>Append
>>> >>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
>>> >>separate.
>>> >>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions
>>> on
>>> >>this news group.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
>>> >>Overwrite)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Hello,
>>> >>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a
>LTO
>>> >drive
>>> >>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around
>24GB
>>> >>on
>>> >>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to
>handle
>>> >>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However
>>> afer
>>> >>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media
expiration
>>> >>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append
time.
>>> >>Am
>>> >>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want
>>> it
>>> >>>not
>>> >>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the
>week.
>>> >>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files
>>> and
>>> >>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>
>

I finally figured this one out. Thanks for all your help Ken. I'm sure you
are probably saying "RTFM" to me now. Well I pulled out the manual so I could
fully understand append periods in the software. On my customized media sets,
I had the append period set too short. I set it to Infinite - Allow Append
and Viola' looks like it worked. I believe I am now able to do a weeks worth
of backups on one LTO 100/200GB tape.

"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>
>I only have two media sets. A Daily media set and a Weekly media set. The
>two daily jobs have the Daily media set assigned to these jobs.
>Jon
>
>Ken Putnam wrote:
>>Does the Append job specify the same media set as the first/full job?
>>
>>Jon Maynard wrote:
>>
>>> Both jobs are set to Append to media, Overwrite if no appendable media
>is
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> "Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >What I was talking about is on the Job Description, General Tab.
>>> >Sounds like all you jobs are set to "Overwrite" You need to change
the
>>> ones
>>> >that do the append to either of the two.
>>> >
>>> >Sounds like all your jobs are defined as "Overwrite"
>>> >
>>> >"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>I have two jobs that run each night Mon thru Thurs and then a weekly
>on
>>> >Sat.
>>> >>The first job is called Daily the other Daily Databases. The Daily
starts
>>> >>around 9:30PM and is a incrementatl job around 500MB. The Daily Databases
>>> >>runs at 11:30 and is a full backup around 23.5GB. Both use the same
>media
>>> >>set "Companyname Daily" and have the Overwrite period of 4 days. The
>Append
>>> >>period is set to 6 hours. The weekly has another media set and is totally
>>> >>separate.
>>> >>Thanks in advance Ken. Sounds like you are answering all the questions
>>> on
>>> >>this news group.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>"Ken Putnam" wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Do yo have two jobs (Overwrite and Append) or just one job, (Append/Else
>>> >>Overwrite)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Hello,
>>> >>>>I have a problem with appending to a tape. I recently purchased a
>LTO
>>> >drive
>>> >>>>with 100GB native and 200GB compressed. My backup jobs are around
>24GB
>>> >>on
>>> >>>>the daily Mon-Thurs. I would think that the tape should be able to
>handle
>>> >>>>the entire week if there is any compression going on at all. However
>>> afer
>>> >>>>just one job it wants me to put in a new tape. I setup the media
expiration
>>> >>>>time as 4 days on Overwrite protection and 6 hours on the Append
time.
>>> >>Am
>>> >>>>I not setting this up correctly? What should be setup like if I want
>>> it
>>> >>>not
>>> >>>>to overwrite the tape for a week and append to the tape during the
>week.
>>> >>>>By the way I run two jobs each night. An incremental of normal files
>>> and
>>> >>>>a full on databases equalling around 24GB.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>
>

Always the little things that bite the hardest, aint it?



"Jon Maynard" wrote:
>
>I finally figured this one out. Thanks for all your help Ken. I'm sure you
>are probably saying "RTFM" to me now. Well I pulled out the manual so I
could
>fully understand append periods in the software. On my customized media
sets,
>I had the append period set too short. I set it to Infinite - Allow Append
> and Viola' looks like it worked. I believe I am now able to do a weeks
worth
>of backups on one LTO 100/200GB tape.
>