Toby Newman wrote:

> I wouldn't touch Hotmail with a barge pole,

[I second the motion.]

> but my wife is a little less discerning with her email accounts and
> uses it for her personal email.

Aye, the same here. Even though I've set up an address at my own domain
for her, my spouse continues to use browser-only hotmail for most
emailing.

> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
> when writing a new email.

A few weeks ago, she asked for some help. It seems a new
browser-sniffing bit was added to the login process. Even though she is
using the very latest SeaMonkey version, it tells her to 'upgrade' to
Internet Explorer 6 or greater.

There is a small barely-noticeable link on that page to 'proceed without
upgrading' or similar. That works. Once past that, her hotmail screens
seem to work as always. She's using Ubuntu 8.04 GNOME and as mentioned,
the latest SeaMonkey version available in Synaptic.

> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?

Does your wife have her own computer? Try SeaMonkey.

> (Microsoft now charge for Pop3 access so that isn't an option.)

Yes, I think even the legacy hotmail accounts can no longer use POP3.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:00:01 +0000, Toby Newman wrote:


>
> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>
ies4linux

"Toby Newman" wrote in message
news:slrngh5bb3.9oh.google@ID-171443.user.uni-berlin.de...

> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
> when writing a new email.
>
> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?

I just tried my HotMail account in FireFox 3 on Ubuntu 8.04 - no problem
with focus when writing a new mail.

Similar with SeaMonkey 1.1.12, after bypassing the "Upgrade to a better
browser" screen...

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:00:01 +0000, Toby Newman wrote:

> I wouldn't touch Hotmail with a barge pole, but my wife is a little less
> discerning with her email accounts and uses it for her personal email.
>
> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane when
> writing a new email.
>
> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>
> (Microsoft now charge for Pop3 access so that isn't an option.)

The only thing I've been able to get to work is to use IE. It's fairly
easy to install with ie4linux.

Toby Newman wrote:

> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
> when writing a new email.
>
> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?


Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
"upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).

FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3 under
Vista.
Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under linux
FF 3 it would not obtain focus.

propman wrote:
> Toby Newman wrote:
>
>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>> when writing a new email.
>>
>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>
>
> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>
> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3 under
> Vista.
> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under linux
> FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>
>

Update..........

Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:

Type in the URL bar: about:config

Type in the Filter bar: vendor

highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string

right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"

When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
able to enter new emails.

Works here.......... :-)

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:08:54 -0800, propman wrote:

> propman wrote:
>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>>> when writing a new email.
>>>
>>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>>
>>
>> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
>> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
>> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>>
>> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3 under
>> Vista.
>> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under linux
>> FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>>
>>
>>
> Update..........
>
> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>
> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>
> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>
> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>
> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>
> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
> able to enter new emails.
>
> Works here.......... :-)

Thank you. That indeed seems to solve the issue.

ray wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:08:54 -0800, propman wrote:
>
>> propman wrote:
>> Update..........
>>
>> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>>
>> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>>
>> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>>
>> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>>
>> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>>
>> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
>> able to enter new emails.
>>
>> Works here.......... :-)
>
> Thank you. That indeed seems to solve the issue.

Good to hear, Ray....thanks for letting me know. :-)

propman schreef:
> propman wrote:
>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>>> when writing a new email.
>>>
>>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>>
>>
>> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
>> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
>> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>>
>> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3
>> under Vista.
>> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under
>> linux FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>>
>>
>
> Update..........
>
> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>
> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>
> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>
> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>
> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>
> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
> able to enter new emails.
>
> Works here.......... :-)
>
Good point from you, sad but not unexpected point for Microsoft Hotmail.

On 2008-11-06, propman wrote:
> propman wrote:
>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>>> when writing a new email.
>>>
>>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>>
>>
>> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
>> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
>> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>>
>> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3 under
>> Vista.
>> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under linux
>> FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>>
>>
>
> Update..........
>
> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>
> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>
> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>
> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>
> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>
> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
> able to enter new emails.
>
> Works here.......... :-)

That's a great fix, thanks!

....but, isn't it a bit disingenious of Microsoft to have blocked
Ubuntu's Firefox?

--
-Toby
Add the word afiduluminag to the subject to circumvent my email filters.

propman wrote:
> propman wrote:
>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>>> when writing a new email.
>>>
>>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>>
>>
>> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
>> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
>> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>>
>> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3
>> under Vista.
>> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under
>> linux FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>>
>>
>
> Update..........
>
> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>
> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>
> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>
> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>
> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>
> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
> able to enter new emails.
>
> Works here.......... :-)
>

Great tip; thanks. And, no, this ain't for my wife... it's for me.

Lang

In article ,
propman wrote:
> propman wrote:
> > Toby Newman wrote:
> >
> >> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
> >> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
> >> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
> >> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
> >> when writing a new email.
> >>
> >> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
> >
> >
> > Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
> > attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
> > "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
> >
> > FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3 under
> > Vista.
> > Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under linux
> > FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>
> Update..........
>
> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>
> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>
> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>
> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>
> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"

Excellent, thanks. My no-k Ubuntu was similarly modified. I wonder how
many other "improvements" they've made that'll cause similar breakage.

--
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This message was created using recycled electrons.

Hactar wrote:
>> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>>
>> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>>
>> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>>
>> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>>
>> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>
> Excellent, thanks. My no-k Ubuntu was similarly modified. I wonder how
> many other "improvements" they've made that'll cause similar breakage.
>

Good to hear! :-) FWIW, I already sent (at least I thought I did but as
of yet have yet to see it posted here) a reply mentioning that the
Hotmail upgrade page actually recommends Firefox and has a direct link
to their web site available.

The actual "problem" with Firefox not being recognized by the hotmail
logon process is due to each distro including their own name rather than
the generalized "firefox" label in the "general.useragent.vendor" string.

For example.........(k)Ubuntu has "Ubuntu" but the openSUSE Firefox
release has "SUSE".

I just felt obliged to join this forum to give a hearty "THANK YOU!" for that hotmail fix. I'm completely new to Linux and it's really nice to get one over on the likes of Microsoft by receiving free help from other users who know much much more than I. Nice one. Thanks again!

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:43:21 -0500, Lang wrote:

> propman wrote:
>> propman wrote:
>>> Toby Newman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Microsoft have recently updated the hotmail web gui and it no longer
>>>> works for her. I've tried (in KDE3.5) Konqueror, Firefox 2 and Gran
>>>> Paradiso, and (in KDE4 on Intrepid) Konqueror and Firefox 3. None of
>>>> these allowed her to put the focus into the main message-entry pane
>>>> when writing a new email.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn anyone else use Hotmail and have a tip that could help me?
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like a buglet at their end which should be called to their
>>> attention due to the fact that one of the browsers referenced on their
>>> "upgrade" page is Firefox (direct link to the Firefox site).
>>>
>>> FWIW.....I still get the "upgrade" page even when using Firefox 3
>>> under Vista.
>>> Vista FF 3 focus can be obtained in the message-entry pane; under
>>> linux FF 3 it would not obtain focus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Update..........
>>
>> Did a quick search and found a real simple fix:
>>
>> Type in the URL bar: about:config
>>
>> Type in the Filter bar: vendor
>>
>> highlight the "general.useragent.vendor" string
>>
>> right click --> Modify and then change "Ubuntu" to "Firefox"
>>
>> When logging onto Hotmail, FF should now skip the Upgrade page and be
>> able to enter new emails.
>>
>> Works here.......... :-)
>>
>>
> Great tip; thanks. And, no, this ain't for my wife... it's for me.
>
> Lang

There is one other thing you can do. When you open Hotmail and see the
FireFox download Icon You can click on The FireFox Icon and download that
Linux version of FireFox 3.03 which is in a Tar.BZ file format. This
version is a portable version of FireFox and the great thing about this
version is you can put it anywhere, like a thumb drive. There is a
firefox Icon in the root directory of the unTarred and unBZed file. This
worked just fine for me until I found this post. I may keep this version
since it keeps all my history and bookmarks on this thumb drive and is
very portable. All I need is a computer with a USB port.

This may not be a good Idea for most people but someone may like the idea
of a portable FireFox browser.

Remember: I am Klutzier than most.