On 2008-07-03, Théophane hit the keyboard and wrote:


> Well, the latest nvidia driver gives me an approximate 0.7 seconds
> latency when I switch between tabs in Firefox. I've noticed that on my
> 8400MGS (forcing powermizer doesn't make things better). Scrolling in
> Firefox is also messy. It is slow as hell and I get 100% CPU usage. I
> can also confirm that poor behaviour on my brother's desktop (Nvidia
> 7600) and on my flatmate's laptop (Nvidia 7600GS).
> Now on the contrary, Vesa might not be the best driver, but it is way
> more fast.

In this case please *COMPLAIN* to nvidia to write better drivers for
their cards. Don't blame GNU/Linux for issues the hardware-peddlers
if they provide "better" drivers for the *other* OS. From your
Subject I gather that you are blaming Linux for the problem you're
having.

Have you also tried the "nv" driver?

Mind you, I'm using a AGP nvidia card too, GForce 5500.


[ 34.321822] agpgart: Detected AGP bridge 0
[ 34.321885] agpgart: Setting up Nforce3 AGP.
[ 34.333368] agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xe0000000
[ 80.656684] agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[ 80.656695] agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 8x mode
[ 80.656711] agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 8x mode

[ 53.824240] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.


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* Théophane peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Well, the latest nvidia driver gives me an approximate 0.7 seconds
> latency when I switch between tabs in Firefox. I've noticed that on my
> 8400MGS (forcing powermizer doesn't make things better). Scrolling in
> Firefox is also messy. It is slow as hell and I get 100% CPU usage. I
> can also confirm that poor behaviour on my brother's desktop (Nvidia
> 7600) and on my flatmate's laptop (Nvidia 7600GS).
> Now on the contrary, Vesa might not be the best driver, but it is way
> more fast.

Bull****.

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-- Monty Python's Flying Circus

Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:



OK. The thing that stands out for me is that you are using the vesa
driver. You also have a load of 3d and 2d mudules loading. This
implies that you have previously tried to install the NVidia beta
drivers.

If you want my opinion....

Delete that xorg.conf file or reconfigure it.

Reboot.

Install the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver at
System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers

You'll then get a much more stable Xorg that uses the driver
specifically compiled for Ubuntu.

Forget about any web tips on forums to get you an extra 0.99% of linear
shading*. They only tend to get you into trouble.

* I made that bit up - could you tell?

--
"I was with this girl the other night and from the way she was
responding to my skillful caresses, you would have sworn that she was
conscious from the top of her head to the tag on her toes." ~ Emo
Philips

Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

>
> Well, the latest nvidia driver gives me an approximate 0.7 seconds
> latency when I switch between tabs in Firefox. I've noticed that on my
> 8400MGS (forcing powermizer doesn't make things better). Scrolling in
> Firefox is also messy. It is slow as hell and I get 100% CPU usage. I
> can also confirm that poor behaviour on my brother's desktop (Nvidia
> 7600) and on my flatmate's laptop (Nvidia 7600GS).
> Now on the contrary, Vesa might not be the best driver, but it is way
> more fast.

Ditch the "latest" then and run with the one tested and implemeted to
work specifically with Ubuntu instead of piddling around with beta
"trialware".

--
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I
realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked
Him to forgive me." ~ Emo Philips

Linonut a écrit :
> * Théophane peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Well, the latest nvidia driver gives me an approximate 0.7 seconds
>> latency when I switch between tabs in Firefox. I've noticed that on my
>> 8400MGS (forcing powermizer doesn't make things better). Scrolling in
>> Firefox is also messy. It is slow as hell and I get 100% CPU usage. I
>> can also confirm that poor behaviour on my brother's desktop (Nvidia
>> 7600) and on my flatmate's laptop (Nvidia 7600GS).
>> Now on the contrary, Vesa might not be the best driver, but it is way
>> more fast.
>
> Bull****.
>

I guess you just have no 8400MGS.
This has been argued online a thousand times, weather you want it or
not. Just google it and you'll see.

Moog a écrit :
> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>
>
>
> OK. The thing that stands out for me is that you are using the vesa
> driver. You also have a load of 3d and 2d mudules loading. This
> implies that you have previously tried to install the NVidia beta
> drivers.
>
> If you want my opinion....
>
> Delete that xorg.conf file or reconfigure it.
>
> Reboot.
>
> Install the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver at
> System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
>
> You'll then get a much more stable Xorg that uses the driver
> specifically compiled for Ubuntu.
>
> Forget about any web tips on forums to get you an extra 0.99% of linear
> shading*. They only tend to get you into trouble.
>
> * I made that bit up - could you tell?
>

I tried the Nvidia beta driver just to see if I could get better
performances than the driver Ubuntu ships with (the one in the repos).
And it obviously didn't get any better. The official Ubuntu packages
have the same crappy performances.
I repeat this only stands for the 8400MGS 256MB card. We are a couple of
hundred people to face this issue, so I guess I'm not the idiot of the
village.

* Théophane wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
> Linonut a écrit :
>> * Théophane peremptorily fired off this memo:

>>> Well, the latest nvidia driver gives me an approximate 0.7 seconds
>>> latency when I switch between tabs in Firefox. I've noticed that on my
>>> 8400MGS (forcing powermizer doesn't make things better). Scrolling in
>>> Firefox is also messy. It is slow as hell and I get 100% CPU usage. I
>>> can also confirm that poor behaviour on my brother's desktop (Nvidia
>>> 7600) and on my flatmate's laptop (Nvidia 7600GS).
>>> Now on the contrary, Vesa might not be the best driver, but it is way
>>> more fast.

>> Bull****.

> I guess you just have no 8400MGS.
> This has been argued online a thousand times, weather you want it or
> not. Just google it and you'll see.

I have an 8400GS. I am running Ubuntu Hardy and dual booting WinXP SP3.
I have all the little graphic niceties of compiz turned under Gnome and
without a doubt, the Ubuntu side of the machine is noticeably faster. I
took the recommended nvidia drivers, no beta in use.

--
David

Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> Moog a écrit :
>> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>
>>
>>
>> OK. The thing that stands out for me is that you are using the vesa
>> driver. You also have a load of 3d and 2d mudules loading. This
>> implies that you have previously tried to install the NVidia beta
>> drivers.
>>
>> If you want my opinion....
>>
>> Delete that xorg.conf file or reconfigure it.
>>
>> Reboot.
>>
>> Install the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver at
>> System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
>>
>> You'll then get a much more stable Xorg that uses the driver
>> specifically compiled for Ubuntu.
>>
>> Forget about any web tips on forums to get you an extra 0.99% of linear
>> shading*. They only tend to get you into trouble.
>>
>> * I made that bit up - could you tell?
>>
>
> I tried the Nvidia beta driver just to see if I could get better
> performances than the driver Ubuntu ships with (the one in the repos).
> And it obviously didn't get any better. The official Ubuntu packages
> have the same crappy performances.
> I repeat this only stands for the 8400MGS 256MB card. We are a couple of
> hundred people to face this issue, so I guess I'm not the idiot of the
> village.

Yes. I've read those. To a man, they are being told to reconfigure
their xorg and install via the hardware drivers section. The majority
are saying to works.

You won't know until you try it.

I repeat.

backup your xorg.conf file. Delete, let Xorg coonfigure again. Enable
the nvidia driver in the hardware drivers entry. Then change your
secreen resolution.

The outcome will be that you xorg.conf file isn't a mess and you're
using the driver intended for the distribution.

--
"I was with this girl the other night and from the way she was
responding to my skillful caresses, you would have sworn that she was
conscious from the top of her head to the tag on her toes." ~ Emo
Philips

Moog a écrit :
> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>> Moog a écrit :
>>> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. The thing that stands out for me is that you are using the vesa
>>> driver. You also have a load of 3d and 2d mudules loading. This
>>> implies that you have previously tried to install the NVidia beta
>>> drivers.
>>>
>>> If you want my opinion....
>>>
>>> Delete that xorg.conf file or reconfigure it.
>>>
>>> Reboot.
>>>
>>> Install the ubuntu packaged nvidia driver at
>>> System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers
>>>
>>> You'll then get a much more stable Xorg that uses the driver
>>> specifically compiled for Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Forget about any web tips on forums to get you an extra 0.99% of linear
>>> shading*. They only tend to get you into trouble.
>>>
>>> * I made that bit up - could you tell?
>>>
>> I tried the Nvidia beta driver just to see if I could get better
>> performances than the driver Ubuntu ships with (the one in the repos).
>> And it obviously didn't get any better. The official Ubuntu packages
>> have the same crappy performances.
>> I repeat this only stands for the 8400MGS 256MB card. We are a couple of
>> hundred people to face this issue, so I guess I'm not the idiot of the
>> village.
>
> Yes. I've read those. To a man, they are being told to reconfigure
> their xorg and install via the hardware drivers section. The majority
> are saying to works.
>
> You won't know until you try it.
>
> I repeat.
>
> backup your xorg.conf file. Delete, let Xorg coonfigure again. Enable
> the nvidia driver in the hardware drivers entry. Then change your
> secreen resolution.
>
> The outcome will be that you xorg.conf file isn't a mess and you're
> using the driver intended for the distribution.
>

Did all that and had insanely lame performances. Now I'm back with vesa
which is way faster.

Anyways, forget it, I guess the only way to get rid of this is buying
another laptop making sure there is no nvidia graphic card on it.

Bellow a couple of threads related to that 8400M GS issue :

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101161
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555844
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587207
http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=8379
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50214

Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

>
> Did all that and had insanely lame performances. Now I'm back with vesa
> which is way faster.

Did you remove all tghe modules and driver settings you had in your
xorg.conf? There seems to be far too much going on in the one you
posted.

> Anyways, forget it, I guess the only way to get rid of this is buying
> another laptop making sure there is no nvidia graphic card on it.

Actually, I get superb performance out of my 9500M GS.

> Bellow a couple of threads related to that 8400M GS issue :
>
> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101161
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555844
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587207
> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=8379
> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50214

These links all seem to be pre-hardy.
I take it you've disabled "powermmizer" as suggested in a number of
those threads?

--
"You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today. They
left a little note on the windscreen, it said 'Parking Fine.' So that
was nice." ~ Tim Vine

Moog a écrit :
> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>
>>
>> Did all that and had insanely lame performances. Now I'm back with vesa
>> which is way faster.
>
> Did you remove all tghe modules and driver settings you had in your
> xorg.conf? There seems to be far too much going on in the one you
> posted.

Yes, I've got a brand new clean xorg file

>
>> Anyways, forget it, I guess the only way to get rid of this is buying
>> another laptop making sure there is no nvidia graphic card on it.
>
> Actually, I get superb performance out of my 9500M GS.
>
>> Bellow a couple of threads related to that 8400M GS issue :
>>
>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101161
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555844
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587207
>> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=8379
>> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50214
>
> These links all seem to be pre-hardy.
> I take it you've disabled "powermmizer" as suggested in a number of
> those threads?

Indeed, and I still have terrible performances.

Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> Moog a écrit :
>> Théophane illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>
>>>
>>> Did all that and had insanely lame performances. Now I'm back with vesa
>>> which is way faster.
>>
>> Did you remove all tghe modules and driver settings you had in your
>> xorg.conf? There seems to be far too much going on in the one you
>> posted.
>
> Yes, I've got a brand new clean xorg file
>
>>
>>> Anyways, forget it, I guess the only way to get rid of this is buying
>>> another laptop making sure there is no nvidia graphic card on it.
>>
>> Actually, I get superb performance out of my 9500M GS.
>>
>>> Bellow a couple of threads related to that 8400M GS issue :
>>>
>>> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101161
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=555844
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587207
>>> http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=8379
>>> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50214
>>
>> These links all seem to be pre-hardy.
>> I take it you've disabled "powermmizer" as suggested in a number of
>> those threads?
>
> Indeed, and I still have terrible performances.

Hmmm. Without being in front of the machine, I'm afraid I can offer
little more by way of help.

--
People always ask me, "Where were you when Kennedy was shot?" Well, I
don't have an alibi." ~ Emo Philips