Sorry for the typo
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MarcB

MarcB wrote:
> In Gutsy, I used VMWARE server to run one or two programs not available in
> Linux.
> I just installed Kubuntu Hardy, an see that WMWARE is not in the repo
> anymore.
> Does someone know if there is a repo to install WMWARE-server in Hardy, or
> suggest another way to get this installed ?
>
>
Looks like VMware Server is still available from vmware.com. Why not
just download it from there?

jeff

VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!

S.Woitas

S.Woitas wrote:

> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>
> S.Woitas

Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...)
Iread somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox,
but it may be in an older version ?
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MarcB illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> S.Woitas wrote:
>
>> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>>
>> S.Woitas
>
> Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...)
> Iread somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox,
> but it may be in an older version ?

Yes. Of course.
You should also install the guest additions which gives you
a lot more control.

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"The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on ninety thousand
pounds a week who reckoned he should have had a throw in"

Moog wrote:

> MarcB illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>> S.Woitas wrote:
>>
>>> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>>>
>>> S.Woitas
>>
>> Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...)
>> Iread somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox,
>> but it may be in an older version ?
>
> Yes. Of course.
> You should also install the guest additions which gives you
> a lot more control.
>
I allready have a VM file created with VMWARE server.
It would be nice if I could use this in Virtualbox, is this possible ?

What is in fact the main difference between VMware server & Virtualbox,
from a user point of view (HW access, performance)

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MarcB

MarcB wrote:
> S.Woitas wrote:
>
>> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>>
>> S.Woitas
>
> Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...)
> Iread somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox,
> but it may be in an older version ?
I use serial port COM1 (/dev/ttyS0) with VirtualBox. Documentation isn't the most clear, so it took some experimentation. But it works fine.

Moog wrote:

> Yes. Of course.
> You should also install the guest additions which gives you
> a lot more control.


Since you have my attention (again), let me ask you this:

Yesterday I was checking the new upgrade of 6.06 to 8.04 via the
Internet, to assist someone with their "upgrade" via Wubi (with which I
have no experience). We got them going finally.

If you remember from discussion about a year ago, I have a qemu virtual
server on that box, with Windows 98SE as the test OS. Back then I just
installed qemu to look it over, and the Windows 98SE CD happened to be
handy.

I have been unable to get a connection to my network from Windows, even
though everything appears to be set up correctly.

I have a local DNS server, so all of my computers have a hostname as
well as a static IP, and this info is in the BIND9 DNS server's zone file.

I tried using the same IP as the Ubuntu 8.04 OS, which does work fine,
but the virtual Windows had no network activity.

Then I tried giving Windows a slightly-different IP, and even a
different hostname, and still no network. No pings. Nothing.

It appears the network in the virtual Windows cannot travel through the
real Ubuntu host OS to the NIC.

Perhaps this is some configuration in qemu (I haven't a clue since I
have not even looked), but your talk of VMWare and VirtualBox made me
wonder if they can "connect" out of the box. And what do they use for an
IP, a different one than their host OS, or the same?


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John F. Morse illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

>
> Perhaps this is some configuration in qemu (I haven't a clue since I
> have not even looked), but your talk of VMWare and VirtualBox made me
> wonder if they can "connect" out of the box. And what do they use for an
> IP, a different one than their host OS, or the same?

Yes. Virtualbox does work directly out of the box. It uses NAT
addressing although that's not ideal if you want to do home
networking.

The way to set up virtualbox for real networking is to install a tap
interface and bridge it to your main interface
http://samiux.wordpress.com/2007/07/...on-virtualbox/

It looks an awful lot harder to do than it actually is.

--
Moog

"The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on ninety thousand
pounds a week who reckoned he should have had a throw in"

MarcB illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> Moog wrote:
>
>> MarcB illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>> S.Woitas wrote:
>>>
>>>> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>>>>
>>>> S.Woitas
>>>
>>> Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...)
>>> Iread somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox,
>>> but it may be in an older version ?
>>
>> Yes. Of course.
>> You should also install the guest additions which gives you
>> a lot more control.
>>
> I allready have a VM file created with VMWARE server.
> It would be nice if I could use this in Virtualbox, is this possible ?

I've successfully don e that with a Virtual XP. This was a while back
under Dapper.

This page has some tips
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazi...Qemu_+_VdiTool

> What is in fact the main difference between VMware server & Virtualbox,
> from a user point of view (HW access, performance)

Virtualbox, IMHO, is far easier to use, easier to network with, allows
c&p between guest and host (a little flaky but works OK for me),
switches USB devices between guest and host "on the fly", has a shared
folder implementation that works well, manages virtual disks in a
better way.

My opinion of course, but VMware gave me a few problems. Currupted
..vmdk's for instance and struggling to create a proper network between
machines. There are many that swear by VMware though (a few in here),
so you may want to take my comments with a pinch of salt.

I must stress, that if you're happy with VMWare, then why change?
Although, Virtualbox has been very successful for me.

--
Moog

"The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on ninety thousand
pounds a week who reckoned he should have had a throw in"

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:23:54 +0200, MarcB wrote:

> Moog wrote:
>
>> MarcB illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>> S.Woitas wrote:
>>>
>>>> VirtualBox from InnoTek is maybe a good idea for you!?!
>>>>
>>>> S.Woitas
>>>
>>> Will I be able to use all my HW (USB, serial ports,...) Iread
>>> somewhere that this was not possible with virtualbox, but it may be in
>>> an older version ?
>>
>> Yes. Of course.
>> You should also install the guest additions which gives you a lot more
>> control.
>>
> I allready have a VM file created with VMWARE server. It would be nice
> if I could use this in Virtualbox, is this possible ?
>
> What is in fact the main difference between VMware server & Virtualbox,
> from a user point of view (HW access, performance)

Just download VMware from the VMware site, don't bother trying to switch
to another VM system. BTW beta 2 for VMware Server 2.0 is pretty good.
VMware 2 supports 8G VMs vs 3.6G on VMware 1 and a pathetic 2G on
VirtualBox.

Moog wrote:
> John F. Morse illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>
>
>>
>> Perhaps this is some configuration in qemu (I haven't a clue since I
>> have not even looked), but your talk of VMWare and VirtualBox made me
>> wonder if they can "connect" out of the box. And what do they use for an
>> IP, a different one than their host OS, or the same?
>>
>
> Yes. Virtualbox does work directly out of the box. It uses NAT
> addressing although that's not ideal if you want to do home
> networking.
>
> The way to set up virtualbox for real networking is to install a tap
> interface and bridge it to your main interface
> http://samiux.wordpress.com/2007/07/...on-virtualbox/
>
> It looks an awful lot harder to do than it actually is.


Noted and saved. Thanks.

Now for the round-tuit part....

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The EULA sounds like it was written by a team of lawyers who want to tell me what I can't do. The GPL sounds like it was written by a human being, who wants me to know what I can do.

On 2008-04-30, Moog wrote:
> John F. Morse illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>
>>
>> Perhaps this is some configuration in qemu (I haven't a clue since I
>> have not even looked), but your talk of VMWare and VirtualBox made me
>> wonder if they can "connect" out of the box. And what do they use for an
>> IP, a different one than their host OS, or the same?
>
> Yes. Virtualbox does work directly out of the box. It uses NAT
> addressing although that's not ideal if you want to do home
> networking.
>
> The way to set up virtualbox for real networking is to install a tap
> interface and bridge it to your main interface
> http://samiux.wordpress.com/2007/07/...on-virtualbox/
>
> It looks an awful lot harder to do than it actually is.
>

While it's true that it is easier than it looks, this is one place
where VMWare server has a distinct advantage, since bridged networking
is installed by default.

Also, I haven't seen a way to have the VM's in Virtualbox run without
the frontend being open. With VMWare, you can have the VM's running
at all times, without the interface open. I prefer that, as I may be
running things that run all the time, and that allows me to open the
frontend from work (nx) or from at home, in front of the box.

Virtualbox has been running stable, and I have no solid complaints
about it. I just kinda like the other one better... ;-)


--
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joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

John F. Morse illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> Moog wrote:
>> John F. Morse illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps this is some configuration in qemu (I haven't a clue since I
>>> have not even looked), but your talk of VMWare and VirtualBox made me
>>> wonder if they can "connect" out of the box. And what do they use for an
>>> IP, a different one than their host OS, or the same?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Virtualbox does work directly out of the box. It uses NAT
>> addressing although that's not ideal if you want to do home
>> networking.
>>
>> The way to set up virtualbox for real networking is to install a tap
>> interface and bridge it to your main interface
>> http://samiux.wordpress.com/2007/07/...on-virtualbox/
>>
>> It looks an awful lot harder to do than it actually is.
>
>
> Noted and saved. Thanks.

NP

> Now for the round-tuit part....

That's even harder. My to-do list is growing by the minute

--
Moog

"The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on ninety thousand
pounds a week who reckoned he should have had a throw in"

I guess I did not see an answer to the real question. What happend to
VMware Server? Why didn't they put it in the 8.04 repository? VMware is
the hottest thing virtualizationwise out there. I use it to run Winbloz
when I have to use it. We need it. Who do we contact to get it added
again and can we get an answer on why it was dropped?

On 2008-05-01, Hang_Traitor_Democrats wrote:
> I guess I did not see an answer to the real question. What happend to
> VMware Server? Why didn't they put it in the 8.04 repository? VMware is
> the hottest thing virtualizationwise out there. I use it to run Winbloz
> when I have to use it. We need it. Who do we contact to get it added
> again and can we get an answer on why it was dropped?

Your best bet for that would be the Ubuntuforums where the developers
hang out. Also, you might try filing a launchpad report to get an
answer.

--
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joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Joe illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
> On 2008-05-01, Hang_Traitor_Democrats wrote:
>> I guess I did not see an answer to the real question. What happend to
>> VMware Server? Why didn't they put it in the 8.04 repository? VMware is
>> the hottest thing virtualizationwise out there. I use it to run Winbloz
>> when I have to use it. We need it. Who do we contact to get it added
>> again and can we get an answer on why it was dropped?
>
> Your best bet for that would be the Ubuntuforums where the developers
> hang out. Also, you might try filing a launchpad report to get an
> answer.

A quick google suggests that you are indeed correct.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=613976

Also consider visiting the "Brainstorm" section of Ubuntu Launchpad

--
Moog

"The G is for the gnarled face of someone who's on ninety thousand
pounds a week who reckoned he should have had a throw in"

Hang_Traitor_Democrats wrote:
.... VMware is
> the hottest thing virtualizationwise out there.

Hotter than Xen ?

I haven't tried it, it could be crap, but it looks good.

http://www.xen.org/


--
Wes Groleau
"To know what you prefer, instead of humbly saying
Amen to what the world tells you you should prefer,
is to have kept your soul alive."
-- Robert Louis Stevenson

MarcB wrote:

> In Gutsy, I used VMWARE server to run one or two programs not available in
> Linux.
> I just installed Kubuntu Hardy, an see that WMWARE is not in the repo
> anymore.

I haven't looked at Hardy, but doesn't it use KVM for virtualization? I
thought that was the way Hardy was going to use virtualization? One would
need a CPU that supports it however.

Cheers.

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