dansguardian/christian parental controls question

In article <pan.2008.04.09.06.07.45.674423@stovell.org.uk>, Phil Stovell <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0100, Cork Soaker wrote:
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>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module[/color]
>>
>> I'm appalled.[/color]
>
>It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>modules. Is there?[/color]

I'm with the other poster ... religion based cesorship is ... abhorrent to
me. By all means choose what you read, or even what your kids read ... but
censoring by religion seems to have all the disadvantages with none of the
advantages. Obviously mileages vary ... but I did hope the original poster
was joking. Sadly, it appears not. :)

Another linux advantage ? Possibly. :)

In article <ftjav4$vv3$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "Cork Soaker" <ISawYourMotherLast@Night.invalid> wrote:
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>: FWIW, religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive.[/color]
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>Yes they are.[/color]

I have known religious scientists. Yes, good ones. :)
The good ones keep the belief systems separate. It is possible.

On 2008-04-09, caver1 wrote:
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> In the beginning there was void, nothingness. Where did everything come
> from? God made it.[/color]

Therefore god is nothing, since all there was was "nothingness".

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Ignoramus22864 wrote:[color=blue]
> On 2008-04-09, Mike McGinn <mikemcginn@mcginnweb.net> wrote:[color=green]
>> caver1 wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Mike McGinn wrote:
>>>> Phil Stovell wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0100, Cork Soaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module
>>>>>> I'm appalled.
>>>>> It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>>>>> modules. Is there?
>>>>>
>>>> I am waiting for the Unitarian Universalist parental control module.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It has always amazed me that when a parent wants their child to have the
>>> same values as themselves that they want to give control to some third
>>> party instead of doing it themselves.
>>> caver1[/color]
>> I have a teenage son (17). I have never restricted his surfing. He seems
>> to be fine. It is my feeling that open and frank discussions with
>> children will accomplish much more than any amount of blocking.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Would your answer be the same if your son was 6 instead of 17?
>
> At 17, I don't think that I would care too much about his [legal] porn
> use, other than using too much hard drive space or bandwidth.
>
> But at 6, I think that porn can be a little too disturbing.
>
> i[/color]
Yes.
You have to explain things in an age appropriate manner. When he was
four he wanted to know how babies were made. 'Babies are made from
love.' did the trick.

The concept of people looking at each other's pee-pees and it is a bad
thing to do would work at six.

I don't understand the big deal.

--
Mike McGinn
"more kidneys than eyes"
Registered Linux User 377849

On 9 Apr 2008 21:39:56 GMT, Moog <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote:
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>caver1 illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:[color=green]
>> Moog wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Cork Soaker illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
>>>> :
>>>> : FWIW, religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> Yes they are.
>>>
>>> No. If you're relgious, then god obviously invented science to prove
>>> the concept of faith. Or something.
>>>
>>> <confused from Southport>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> The stsrt point is the same - faith.
>> Think about it.
>> In the beginning there was void, nothingness. Where did everything come
>> from? God made it.[/color]
>
>OK. Let's say this is the case.
>
>Firstly. Where does the concept of *god* come from?
>
>Do you think Seagulls, Cats, Leopards, Single Cell Ameoba, Whales,
>Shrimp go off and worship this deity and thank him for thweir
>existence?
>
>If "God" created and we should all be thankful, then surely they
>would?
>
>Or am I missing something?
>[color=green]
>> or
>> In the beginning there was nothing a void. then all of a sudden there
>> was a Big Bang and everything was made-by chance.
>> where was everything before either of these? both sides put their
>> faith in everything was made from nothing.
>> They are only mutually exclusive in the close minded.[/color]
>
>If you want my opinion, and you probably don't, then I would say, YES.
>The big bang, molecules and atoms forming life over time is the more
>plausible explanation than some "bloke" who decided to "create an
>eco-system" simply becuase he could.
>
>Still. Stranger things have happened. I once remember laughing at
>Bobby Davro, god bless my little laughing box.
>
><For you across the pond. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Davro[/url] >[/color]

Looks like he was (has been) on the telly for quite some time, so
somebody must enjoy him. Does this mean you don't, or you don't have
a sense of humour? But I do agree with your big bang sentiment. :o)

Roy Strachan - Registered Linux User 469226

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:12:12 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
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>
>
>"Dogma Discharge" <s@c.c.c> wrote in message
>news:1207722704.995822@vasbyt.isdsl.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "Phil Stovell" <phil@stovell.org.uk> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.04.09.06.07.45.674423@stovell.org.uk...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0100, Cork Soaker wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module[/color]
>>
>>
>> Aaah, so this filter strips out all scientific and factual content, only
>> allowing through religious, spaghetti monster type information!
>>
>> It should be a crime to instill ones religious beliefs onto your children.
>>
>> Bah!
>>[/color]
>
>Why every parent attempts to brainwash their kids, some are just better at
>it.
>This is a tool to impose your will on the kids.
>There will be a linux filter soon.. it will block all references to M$ and
>windows. ;-)
>Or maybe a Bush filter that blocks all references to the rest of the world
>for American families? ;-)[/color]

Better yet, block out all references to Bush, except that he is the
basis for so much humour.

Roy Strachan - Registered Linux User 469226

Assuming that I remember correctly, and that it works through Squid...

Ignoramus22864 wrote:[color=blue]
> So, does the browser need to be configured to use this dansguardian
> proxy?[/color]

Yes
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> Or does it, somehow, take effect for all browsers installed on a
> particular computer?[/color]

Many browsers allow the user to turn on orr off the proxy.

FireFox has a way an admin can lock the proxy setting.

Squid will be set to listen on a particular port, and call Dansguardian
for additional processing on the URI.

I use squidGuard instead of Dan's Guardian. I just run the proxy on a
server, and the firewalls on all the other computers block port 80.

So even if the kids could download their own copy of FireFox, or write
their own browser to bypass the proxy, they still couldn't get to the
web directly. Now if they were to borrow a computer with 802.11,
and if they understood the implications of living within range of
over a dozen unsecured access points, ....

Oh, well, they have to grow up someday.

If a crime is committed using an unsecured WiFi access point, what are
the limitations on the owner's liability?

(Answer: Depends on which legal jurisdiction)

--
Wes Groleau
-----------
Daily Hoax: [url]http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/random/random.asp[/url]

I am amazed that people spend so much time talking about this
balderdash, is there a god, or not. Who cares. God is of no
consequence even if it exists. Which it obviously does not.

i

Moog wrote:[color=blue]
> The big bang, molecules and atoms forming life over time is the more
> plausible explanation than some "bloke" who decided to "create an
> eco-system" simply becuase he could.[/color]

For 99% of human beings (theist or not), "more plausible" is equivalent
to "doesn't threaten any beliefs I'm comfortable with."

--
Wes Groleau
------
"The reason most women would rather have beauty than brains is
they know that most men can see better than they can think."
-- James Dobson

On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:07:45 +0100, Phil Stovell <phil@stovell.org.uk>
wrote:
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>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0100, Cork Soaker wrote:
>[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module[/color]
>>
>> I'm appalled.[/color]
>
>It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>modules. Is there?[/color]

Since most wars throughout history have been fought over religion and
very few, if any, fought over porn, I'm for blocking religious sites.

Roy Strachan - Registered Linux User 469226

caver1 wrote:[color=blue]
> Ignoramus22864 wrote:[color=green]
>> I have not one but many computers, and cannot possibly monitor them.[/color]
>
> Then tell them which computers they can get on and which they can't and[/color]

No one in my house, whether two or twenty gets on a computer
without a password. I have as much right--maybe even duty--
to control web access as I have to control access to matches,
high voltage, poisons, or credit cards.

Heck, there are websites I don't want _myself_ going to accidentally.
I'm certainly not obligated to unblock those for other users of MY
computers.

--
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Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
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>>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module
>>> I'm appalled.[/color]
>> It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>> modules. Is there?[/color]
> I'm with the other poster ... religion based cesorship is ... abhorrent to
> me. By all means choose what you read, or even what your kids read ... but
> censoring by religion seems to have all the disadvantages with none of the[/color]

....but don't allow your religion to have any influence on your choices?

--
Wes Groleau
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[url]http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html[/url]
(Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading)

On 2008-04-10, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org> wrote:[color=blue]
> caver1 wrote:[color=green]
>> Ignoramus22864 wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I have not one but many computers, and cannot possibly monitor them.[/color]
>>
>> Then tell them which computers they can get on and which they can't and[/color]
>
> No one in my house, whether two or twenty gets on a computer
> without a password. I have as much right--maybe even duty--
> to control web access as I have to control access to matches,
> high voltage, poisons, or credit cards.[/color]

Same here.
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> Heck, there are websites I don't want _myself_ going to accidentally.
> I'm certainly not obligated to unblock those for other users of MY
> computers.[/color]

I think that noone seriously questions parental control here, the
question is, what makes sense to do.

i

On 2008-04-08, Ignoramus6985 <ignoramus6985@NOSPAM.6985.invalid> wrote:[color=blue]
> On 2008-04-08, Daniel <dhw4095@gmail.com.nospam> wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module into my regular
>> Ubuntu Gutsy version. In addition to filtering the web content, it appears
>> to have installed a firewall because I cannot ssh into anymore. Is
>> Dansguardian doing the actual firewall, or is it some other module? How do I
>> configure it so that I open ssh and other ports?[/color]
>
> Never heard of this.
>
> Does this parental control work for atheists?
>
> What exactly does it do? I am interested in some parental software
> personally.[/color]

Personally, I would skip the "Christian" controls, and just install
Dansguardian and Squid. Dansguardian is an excellent content filter
that works with a proxy (squid). I run a server at the house on
CentOS 4.5 with Squid/Dans and have the kids machines configured to
use that proxy for all internet requests.

Not only does it block the content you want to avoid, but it also
provides nice logs.


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time..." - Danny, American History X

On 2008-04-09, Ignoramus22864 <ignoramus22864@NOSPAM.22864.invalid> wrote:
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> So, does the browser need to be configured to use this dansguardian
> proxy?
>
> Or does it, somehow, take effect for all browsers installed on a
> particular computer?[/color]

The filter is a background process, and the browser does need to be
configured for it. You can, however, set up your firewall to prevent
any browsing from a pc without going through the proxy.

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time..." - Danny, American History X

On 2008-04-09, caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:[color=blue]
> Moog wrote:[color=green]
>> Cork Soaker illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:[color=darkred]
>>> :
>>> : FWIW, religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
>>> :
>>>
>>> Yes they are.[/color]
>>
>> No. If you're relgious, then god obviously invented science to prove
>> the concept of faith. Or something.
>>
>> <confused from Southport>
>>[/color]
>
>
>
> The stsrt point is the same - faith.
> Think about it.
> In the beginning there was void, nothingness. Where did everything come
> from? God made it.
> or
> In the beginning there was nothing a void. then all of a sudden there
> was a Big Bang and everything was made-by chance.
> where was everything before either of these? both sides put their
> faith in everything was made from nothing.
> They are only mutually exclusive in the close minded.[/color]

No, Science does not say that everything came from nothing. Science
says that something was always there. A small piece of that something
was a black hole. That black hole collapsed on it's singularity. The
singularity exploded, and produced our known universe.

It is a bit more complex than that, but that is a good start. Oddly
enough, as brilliant as he is, Hawking explains it all in a very
compelling and easy to understand manner, if you can put aside your
religious bent...


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In article <nfsqv3t8bs5hfm7bqtuh07gu8377v9t1vk@4ax.com>, Roy Strachan <rs@bj.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:07:45 +0100, Phil Stovell <phil@stovell.org.uk>
>wrote:[color=green]
>>On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 02:45:11 +0100, Cork Soaker wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module
>>>
>>> I'm appalled.[/color]
>>
>>It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>>modules. Is there?[/color]
>
>Since most wars throughout history have been fought over religion and
>very few, if any, fought over porn, I'm for blocking religious sites.[/color]

LOL :) That case can indeed be argued :)

On 2008-04-09, caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
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> Here is where you are jumping to conclusions. Where did I ever say God
> exists?
> There are equally closed minds on both sides.
> Both say that everything came from nothing.
> Even Quantum mechanics.
> Every one says the size of the Universe is impossible for the human mind
> to comprehend. Try imagining nothing thats even harder.
> Both sides rely on a certain amount of faith.
> It is a little mind that belittles someone for their beliefs. And
> neither side is free of that little mindedness.[/color]

No, science does not rely on faith, nor does it state that everything
came from nothing. Science is a search. It starts with the
understanding that we do not know everything, and works towards
figuring out as much as we can in a search for knowledge.

Religion starts out by assuming that we do know everything. Anything
that we don't have a rational answer for, we just lump into "God made
it", and whammo - simple explanation. The two are mutually exclusive,
and only one of them is closed-minded.

Hell, Science does not even insist that there is no "creator". That
is always the possibility. It may just turn out that it is the
eventual answer. The difference is that science will not get there
without proof. For religion, no proof is needed, and no lack of proof
will ever be enough to dissuade.


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"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
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In article <hyeLj.10379$qB1.5608@trnddc07>, groleau+nntp@freeshell.org wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> I have installed the Christian Parental Controls module
>>>> I'm appalled.
>>> It'd be OK if there's also Jewish, Moslem and Atheist parental controls
>>> modules. Is there?[/color]
>> I'm with the other poster ... religion based cesorship is ... abhorrent to
>> me. By all means choose what you read, or even what your kids read ... but
>> censoring by religion seems to have all the disadvantages with none of the[/color]
>
>....but don't allow your religion to have any influence on your choices?[/color]

? not sure what you mean here. Are you meaning you don't want you kids
'exposed' to anything that might challenge the dogma provided by their
parents ? :)
I'd be seriously against that. Parents have a duty to let their kids come to
their own conclusions ... with a little steering as to "right" and "wrong".
If parents provide the models, kids are pretty good at picking up the cues.
:)

I'm against censorship generally. It's a bit like prohibition ... it
doesn't work anyway. I'm for parents taking an interest in what their kids
do, spending time with them and educating them. :)

On 2008-04-09, Bruce Sinclair <bruce.sinclair@NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz> wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <ftjav4$vv3$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "Cork Soaker" <ISawYourMotherLast@Night.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>: FWIW, religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive.[/color]
>[color=green]
>>Yes they are.[/color]
>
> I have known religious scientists. Yes, good ones. :)
> The good ones keep the belief systems separate. It is possible.
>[/color]

Absolutely. It is possible to start out with a belief in God, then
set out in search of proof. The only thing that would make them
"good" scientists, though, is if they were willing to disregard their
faith in a creator if such evidence came around that sufficiently
proved a different truth. Most religious folks cannot do this.


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"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X