david schreef:
> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>
> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
> behaviour.
>
> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to close
> the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>
> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>
>
> Thanks

Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.

Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop

In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
seelct the application you want to kill.

Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
application to kill.

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:

> david schreef:
>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>
>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>> behaviour.
>>
>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>
>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>
> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>
> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
> seelct the application you want to kill.
>
> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
> application to kill.

Hi Dirk,
Thanks for this.

Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc command.

I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
sounds a basic question but new to this.

Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?

Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my friend
today when I tried it.
Thanks again
David

david schreef:
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>
>> david schreef:
>>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>>
>>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>>> behaviour.
>>>
>>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>>
>>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>>
>> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>>
>> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
>> seelct the application you want to kill.
>>
>> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
>> application to kill.
>
> Hi Dirk,
> Thanks for this.
>
> Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
> not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc command.

Hmm, maybe it's KDE only. I'm not sure but thought it was X specific.
What it means is you kep the mouse cursor above the window of the stuck
application and kill it by Ctrl+Alt+Esc followed by Enter.
I should have included that 'followed by Enter'...
>
> I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
> sounds a basic question but new to this.
>
> Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?

Open a terminal or console, type top and hit enter.
Now you get a list with running applications.
When you see the offending one you note the PID number in front of it
and hit k and enter the PID number.

h or ? will give you help.
>
> Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my friend
> today when I tried it.
> Thanks again
> David
>
>

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:23:10 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:

> david schreef:
>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>>
>>> david schreef:
>>>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>>>
>>>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>>>> behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>>>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>>>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>>>
>>> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>>>
>>> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
>>> seelct the application you want to kill.
>>>
>>> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
>>> application to kill.
>>
>> Hi Dirk,
>> Thanks for this.
>>
>> Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
>> not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc
>> command.
>
> Hmm, maybe it's KDE only. I'm not sure but thought it was X specific.
> What it means is you kep the mouse cursor above the window of the stuck
> application and kill it by Ctrl+Alt+Esc followed by Enter. I should have
> included that 'followed by Enter'...
>>
>> I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
>> sounds a basic question but new to this.
>>
>> Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?
>
> Open a terminal or console, type top and hit enter. Now you get a list
> with running applications. When you see the offending one you note the
> PID number in front of it and hit k and enter the PID number.
>
> h or ? will give you help.
>>
>> Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my
>> friend today when I tried it.
>> Thanks again
>> David
>>
>>

Thanks again Dirk.
A little more research on my part and I now believe ctlr+alt+esc works
for KDE but not Gnome. Can't find a Gnome alternative. Anyone else know
of one??

Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I want.
Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again Linux is much
more stable so hardly ever needed.

Thanks again for your help
Dave

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:35:22 +0000, david wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:23:10 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>
>> david schreef:
>>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>>>
>>>> david schreef:
>>>>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>>>>
>>>>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>>>>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>>>>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>>>>
>>>> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>>>>
>>>> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
>>>> seelct the application you want to kill.
>>>>
>>>> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
>>>> application to kill.
>>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>> Thanks for this.
>>>
>>> Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
>>> not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc
>>> command.
>>
>> Hmm, maybe it's KDE only. I'm not sure but thought it was X specific.
>> What it means is you kep the mouse cursor above the window of the stuck
>> application and kill it by Ctrl+Alt+Esc followed by Enter. I should
>> have included that 'followed by Enter'...
>>>
>>> I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
>>> sounds a basic question but new to this.
>>>
>>> Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?
>>
>> Open a terminal or console, type top and hit enter. Now you get a list
>> with running applications. When you see the offending one you note the
>> PID number in front of it and hit k and enter the PID number.
>>
>> h or ? will give you help.
>>>
>>> Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my
>>> friend today when I tried it.
>>> Thanks again
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Thanks again Dirk.
> A little more research on my part and I now believe ctlr+alt+esc works
> for KDE but not Gnome. Can't find a Gnome alternative. Anyone else know
> of one??
>
> Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I want.
> Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again Linux is much
> more stable so hardly ever needed.
>
> Thanks again for your help
> Dave

And just for the archives...
Found that running "xkill" will give me a mouse pointer that when placed
on the errant application and pressing "enter" will kill it.

david wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:23:10 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>
>> david schreef:
>>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>>>
>>>> david schreef:
>>>>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>>>>
>>>>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>>>>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>>>>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>>>>
>>>> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>>>>
>>>> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
>>>> seelct the application you want to kill.
>>>>
>>>> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
>>>> application to kill.
>>>
>>> Hi Dirk,
>>> Thanks for this.
>>>
>>> Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
>>> not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc
>>> command.
>>
>> Hmm, maybe it's KDE only. I'm not sure but thought it was X specific.
>> What it means is you kep the mouse cursor above the window of the stuck
>> application and kill it by Ctrl+Alt+Esc followed by Enter. I should have
>> included that 'followed by Enter'...
>>>
>>> I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
>>> sounds a basic question but new to this.
>>>
>>> Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?
>>
>> Open a terminal or console, type top and hit enter. Now you get a list
>> with running applications. When you see the offending one you note the
>> PID number in front of it and hit k and enter the PID number.
>>
>> h or ? will give you help.
>>>
>>> Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my
>>> friend today when I tried it.
>>> Thanks again
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>
> Thanks again Dirk.
> A little more research on my part and I now believe ctlr+alt+esc works
> for KDE but not Gnome. Can't find a Gnome alternative. Anyone else know
> of one??
>
You can Right Click on an empty part of the top panel, then click on Add to
Panel. Under the section Desktop & Windows, choose Force Quit. This will
place this app on the panel. To kill an app running on a window on your
desktop, click the icon on the panel and then click on the window to kill
that window.

Another option is to open a terminal and then use the command:

killall

in the example you've given the command would probably be:

killall freeguide

.... if the app you're running and want to kill is called "freeguide".
This is convenient if you don't know the PID number for the app, but know
the app's name.

Cheers.

> Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I want.
> Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again Linux is much
> more stable so hardly ever needed.
>
> Thanks again for your help
> Dave

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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:57:38 +0000, david wrote:

> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>
> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
> behaviour.
>
> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>
> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>
>
> Thanks

I would go to another terminal window, do 'ps -ef' and locate the PID of
the offending program and then 'kill -KILL nnnnn' where nnnnn is PID from
above.

"NoStop" wrote in message
news:ftfrso014dm@news1.newsguy.com...
> david wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:23:10 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>>
>>> david schreef:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0000, Dirk T. Verbeek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> david schreef:
>>>>>> Had my first crash on Gutsy today. Prog was FreeGuide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It came as a surprise after using Ubuntu for so long without such
>>>>>> behaviour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had 5 workspaces open at the time and it would have been great to
>>>>>> close the errant one down and keep the others. But it refused to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a keystroke sequence for getting out of a crashed programme
>>>>>> without a total shut down. Something like ctl+alt+del in windows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+Esc above a window will kill that application.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ctrl+Alt+BkSp will restart the desktop
>>>>>
>>>>> In Kubuntu (KDE) Ctrl+Esc will start the Process Table where you can
>>>>> seelct the application you want to kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Optional you could start from the terminal 'top' and select the
>>>>> application to kill.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dirk,
>>>> Thanks for this.
>>>>
>>>> Just tried this and ctrl+alt+BkSP did force a restart of my system but
>>>> not sure what you mean by "above a window" for the ctrl+alt+esc
>>>> command.
>>>
>>> Hmm, maybe it's KDE only. I'm not sure but thought it was X specific.
>>> What it means is you kep the mouse cursor above the window of the stuck
>>> application and kill it by Ctrl+Alt+Esc followed by Enter. I should have
>>> included that 'followed by Enter'...
>>>>
>>>> I tried on a couple of live apps but they kept running. Sorry if this
>>>> sounds a basic question but new to this.
>>>>
>>>> Also killing "from the terminal top" means what?
>>>
>>> Open a terminal or console, type top and hit enter. Now you get a list
>>> with running applications. When you see the offending one you note the
>>> PID number in front of it and hit k and enter the PID number.
>>>
>>> h or ? will give you help.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a page which can help me more on this. Google was not my
>>>> friend today when I tried it.
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Thanks again Dirk.
>> A little more research on my part and I now believe ctlr+alt+esc works
>> for KDE but not Gnome. Can't find a Gnome alternative. Anyone else know
>> of one??
>>
> You can Right Click on an empty part of the top panel, then click on Add
> to
> Panel. Under the section Desktop & Windows, choose Force Quit. This will
> place this app on the panel. To kill an app running on a window on your
> desktop, click the icon on the panel and then click on the window to kill
> that window.
>
> Another option is to open a terminal and then use the command:
>
> killall
>
> in the example you've given the command would probably be:
>
> killall freeguide
>
> ... if the app you're running and want to kill is called "freeguide".
> This is convenient if you don't know the PID number for the app, but know
> the app's name.
>
Hi NoStop,
Thanks for the info.
Have done as you say and set-up ForceQuit .
Although the original prob was on my main PC running the very fine Gutsy, I
have another machine running Hardy (updated alpha) and when I had a crash a
few minutes ago (a screensaver...can't remember which one and I'm currently
downloading about 36 updates for Hardy at the minute so can't investigate) I
tried ForceQuit but even the mouse had frozen so no chance to place the
cursor anywhere. That's why I still prefer a keyboard only solution.

Which brings me nicely to your suggestion of killall.
I'll try that but have also been advised to use xkill. What's the
difference?
Thanks for your help.
Dave

"White Spirit" wrote in message
news:ftg3hj$jm6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> NoStop wrote:
>
>> Another option is to open a terminal and then use the command:
>
>> killall
>
>> in the example you've given the command would probably be:
>
>> killall freeguide
>
>> ... if the app you're running and want to kill is called "freeguide".
>> This is convenient if you don't know the PID number for the app, but know
>> the app's name.
>
> This won't work with applications that won't respond to signal 11, though.
> I suppose there must be an option to send signal 9 with killall. I just
> use something like ps -A | grep $_Application, and then kill -s 9 $_pid.
>
>>> Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I want.
>>> Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again Linux is much
>>> more stable so hardly ever needed.
>
> There are KDE, Gnome and generic X equivalents available.

Hi,
Do you mean there are GUI versions/equivs in which case can you elaborate
some more.
Thanks
Dave

David wrote:
> "White Spirit" wrote in message
> news:ftg3hj$jm6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> NoStop wrote:
>>
>>> Another option is to open a terminal and then use the command:
>>
>>> killall
>>
>>> in the example you've given the command would probably be:
>>
>>> killall freeguide
>>
>>> ... if the app you're running and want to kill is called "freeguide".
>>> This is convenient if you don't know the PID number for the app, but know
>>> the app's name.
>>
>> This won't work with applications that won't respond to signal 11, though.
>> I suppose there must be an option to send signal 9 with killall. I just
>> use something like ps -A | grep $_Application, and then kill -s 9 $_pid.
>>
>>>> Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I want.
>>>> Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again Linux is much
>>>> more stable so hardly ever needed.
>>
>> There are KDE, Gnome and generic X equivalents available.
>
> Hi,
> Do you mean there are GUI versions/equivs in which case can you elaborate
> some more.
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
gnome-system-monitor is a lot like task mangler in Windows.

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:12:03 -0700, clay wrote:

> David wrote:
>> "White Spirit" wrote in message
>> news:ftg3hj$jm6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> NoStop wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another option is to open a terminal and then use the command:
>>>
>>>> killall
>>>
>>>> in the example you've given the command would probably be:
>>>
>>>> killall freeguide
>>>
>>>> ... if the app you're running and want to kill is called "freeguide".
>>>> This is convenient if you don't know the PID number for the app, but
>>>> know the app's name.
>>>
>>> This won't work with applications that won't respond to signal 11,
>>> though. I suppose there must be an option to send signal 9 with
>>> killall. I just use something like ps -A | grep $_Application, and
>>> then kill -s 9 $_pid.
>>>
>>>>> Tried "top" and after a little learning curve got it to do what I
>>>>> want. Sadly not as easy as windows task manager but there again
>>>>> Linux is much more stable so hardly ever needed.
>>>
>>> There are KDE, Gnome and generic X equivalents available.
>>
>> Hi,
>> Do you mean there are GUI versions/equivs in which case can you
>> elaborate some more.
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>>
> gnome-system-monitor is a lot like task mangler in Windows.

Yes, don't know why I forgot about this. Thanks Clay.

david schreef:

>
> And just for the archives...
> Found that running "xkill" will give me a mouse pointer that when placed
> on the errant application and pressing "enter" will kill it.

Heh, that's a good one.

An easier version of top that can be found in the repositories is htop.
Still not a real GUI but therefore more robust.