Re: Another Vista machine upgraded to Linux - Ubuntu

This is a discussion on Re: Another Vista machine upgraded to Linux - Ubuntu ; On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:45:04 +0200, Hadron wrote: > Richard Rasker writes: > >> Today I had the chance to play with a fully functional Vista box, this one >> to be precise: http://www.medion.de/md8830/uk/flash.html , offered >> as "Multimedia ...

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  1. Re: Another Vista machine upgraded to Linux

    On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:45:04 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > Richard Rasker writes:
    >
    >> Today I had the chance to play with a fully functional Vista box, this one
    >> to be precise: http://www.medion.de/md8830/uk/flash.html, offered
    >> as "Multimedia Entertainment PC".

    >
    > This should be good. More Dicky Rarseker lies.
    >
    >> Well, of course it sucked, although it wasn't as bad as my first Vista
    >> experience. Cold boot time was impressive (for Vista, that is): after 40
    >> seconds, the desktop showed, and after another minute, the machine was
    >> quite responsive -- that is, with a working network connection present.
    >> Without a network connection, boot time is almost 5 minutes; don't ask me
    >> why this is. Anyway, under normal conditions, it boots only twice as slow
    >> as Linux/KDE (Mandriva), so that's pretty good.

    >
    > Sure. LOL.
    >
    >> Other minor annoyances: the mouse wheel doesn't work, the sound output
    >> has a

    >
    > The mouse wheel does not work? Sure.
    >
    >> tinny quality and infrequently produces soft interference clicks (although
    >> hardly audible), the TV output picture frankly sucks, and so far, no-one
    >> has succeeded in getting the built-in tuner card to work (I couldn't even
    >> get it to show up in Vista's hardware list). And of course it's sluggish.
    >> In a lot of tools and dialogs (e.g. nVidia's screen settings), Vista takes
    >> a full second or more to respond to mouse clicks. And when I created a
    >> recovery DVD with the factory preinstalled image, the system completely
    >> froze for fully four minutes, during which literally nothing appeared to
    >> happen -- and if there hadn't been a warning dialog that "the machine may
    >> become unresponsive for a few moments", I probably would have rebooted it
    >> after a minute or so. But burning the DVD actually seems to have succeeded
    >> (although I couldn't find any verification tool).
    >>
    >> On the bright side: in the four hours I checked out the machine and tried
    >> getting the tuner card and dual screen output to work (failing miserably on
    >> both counts -- but then again, I'm not a Windows expert) I only got two
    >> expection errors, and nothing actually crashed or froze (at least for more
    >> than a second or so), so Vista seems pretty stable.
    >>
    >> Anyway, the owner was rather disappointed with his "multimedia machine", and
    >> wanted to see if Linux could do better. After creating a 20GB empty
    >> partition with Vista's disk management tool (which wasn't too bad), the
    >> installation of Mandriva took less than 15 minutes, and most hardware was
    >> installed and recognized fine. It took half an hour more to update the
    >> installation and install the multimedia stuff (nVidia drivers, codecs and
    >> other non-free software), after which all worked just fine -- except the
    >> tuner card. Unsurprisingly, Mandriva was much faster and snappier than
    >> Vista: total boot time between power-up and a fully loaded desktop is a
    >> mere 45 seconds, and most things happen at a blistering speed, with

    >
    > "blistering speed". Sure. ROTFLM.
    >
    >> Mandriva immediately responding to every user action. Even OpenOffice
    >> starts in only three seconds :-) And oh, the mouse wheel functions, and the
    >> sound quality is vastly better too.

    >
    > A first.
    >
    >>
    >> The only disappointment was that I couldn't get the tuner card (Creatix
    >> CTX953) to work. It was recognized, but there appears to be no Linux
    >> support for it yet (and I didn't want to go through the trouble of
    >> compiling experimental support for this beastie in a kernel module).

    >
    > "beastie". Oh dear me. He's going for the humorist geek image.
    >
    >> Another drawback is that the man is still tied to Vista because of a few
    >> apps (AutoCAD and something I didn't rememeber the name of) for which
    >> there's no viable Linux equivalent. So I wonder if he's going to use Linux
    >> at all -- he seemed impressed with what he saw, but I know from experience
    >> that having to reboot on a regular basis is quite a turn-off; people will
    >> rather stick with what they're most familiar with, even though they don't
    >> really like it much.

    >
    > He will tick with what runs the SW he needs. Simple enough.
    >
    >>
    >> So the verdict is that yes, Vista sucks -- but for most people, it's not bad
    >> enough to make them switch to something completely different and
    >> unfamiliar. They simply put up with the crap ("Ah well, I guess I'll have
    >> to stick to the TV + VCR a little longer.")
    >>
    >>
    >> Richard Rasker

    >
    > I don't believe a word of your "report". Frankly, I think you are a
    > liar.
    >
    > I dont believe about the sound quality or the inability to get the HW
    > the machine shipped working.
    >
    > I suspect he or you screwed up the installation. Are you related to
    > Kelsey?


    Yea, Ritchie isn't a very good fairy tale teller..

    Why do Linux people have such problems making Windows machines, even ones
    that come preloaded, work?

    Do they have some kind of jinx field around them?

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  2. Re: Another Vista machine upgraded to Linux

    Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
    > On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:45:04 +0200, Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Richard Rasker writes:
    >>
    >>> Today I had the chance to play with a fully functional Vista box, this one
    >>> to be precise: http://www.medion.de/md8830/uk/flash.html, offered
    >>> as "Multimedia Entertainment PC".

    >> This should be good. More Dicky Rarseker lies.
    >>
    >>> Well, of course it sucked, although it wasn't as bad as my first Vista
    >>> experience. Cold boot time was impressive (for Vista, that is): after 40
    >>> seconds, the desktop showed, and after another minute, the machine was
    >>> quite responsive -- that is, with a working network connection present.
    >>> Without a network connection, boot time is almost 5 minutes; don't ask me
    >>> why this is. Anyway, under normal conditions, it boots only twice as slow
    >>> as Linux/KDE (Mandriva), so that's pretty good.

    >> Sure. LOL.
    >>
    >>> Other minor annoyances: the mouse wheel doesn't work, the sound output
    >>> has a

    >> The mouse wheel does not work? Sure.
    >>
    >>> tinny quality and infrequently produces soft interference clicks (although
    >>> hardly audible), the TV output picture frankly sucks, and so far, no-one
    >>> has succeeded in getting the built-in tuner card to work (I couldn't even
    >>> get it to show up in Vista's hardware list). And of course it's sluggish.
    >>> In a lot of tools and dialogs (e.g. nVidia's screen settings), Vista takes
    >>> a full second or more to respond to mouse clicks. And when I created a
    >>> recovery DVD with the factory preinstalled image, the system completely
    >>> froze for fully four minutes, during which literally nothing appeared to
    >>> happen -- and if there hadn't been a warning dialog that "the machine may
    >>> become unresponsive for a few moments", I probably would have rebooted it
    >>> after a minute or so. But burning the DVD actually seems to have succeeded
    >>> (although I couldn't find any verification tool).
    >>>
    >>> On the bright side: in the four hours I checked out the machine and tried
    >>> getting the tuner card and dual screen output to work (failing miserably on
    >>> both counts -- but then again, I'm not a Windows expert) I only got two
    >>> expection errors, and nothing actually crashed or froze (at least for more
    >>> than a second or so), so Vista seems pretty stable.
    >>>
    >>> Anyway, the owner was rather disappointed with his "multimedia machine", and
    >>> wanted to see if Linux could do better. After creating a 20GB empty
    >>> partition with Vista's disk management tool (which wasn't too bad), the
    >>> installation of Mandriva took less than 15 minutes, and most hardware was
    >>> installed and recognized fine. It took half an hour more to update the
    >>> installation and install the multimedia stuff (nVidia drivers, codecs and
    >>> other non-free software), after which all worked just fine -- except the
    >>> tuner card. Unsurprisingly, Mandriva was much faster and snappier than
    >>> Vista: total boot time between power-up and a fully loaded desktop is a
    >>> mere 45 seconds, and most things happen at a blistering speed, with

    >> "blistering speed". Sure. ROTFLM.
    >>
    >>> Mandriva immediately responding to every user action. Even OpenOffice
    >>> starts in only three seconds :-) And oh, the mouse wheel functions, and the
    >>> sound quality is vastly better too.

    >> A first.
    >>
    >>> The only disappointment was that I couldn't get the tuner card (Creatix
    >>> CTX953) to work. It was recognized, but there appears to be no Linux
    >>> support for it yet (and I didn't want to go through the trouble of
    >>> compiling experimental support for this beastie in a kernel module).

    >> "beastie". Oh dear me. He's going for the humorist geek image.
    >>
    >>> Another drawback is that the man is still tied to Vista because of a few
    >>> apps (AutoCAD and something I didn't rememeber the name of) for which
    >>> there's no viable Linux equivalent. So I wonder if he's going to use Linux
    >>> at all -- he seemed impressed with what he saw, but I know from experience
    >>> that having to reboot on a regular basis is quite a turn-off; people will
    >>> rather stick with what they're most familiar with, even though they don't
    >>> really like it much.

    >> He will tick with what runs the SW he needs. Simple enough.
    >>
    >>> So the verdict is that yes, Vista sucks -- but for most people, it's not bad
    >>> enough to make them switch to something completely different and
    >>> unfamiliar. They simply put up with the crap ("Ah well, I guess I'll have
    >>> to stick to the TV + VCR a little longer.")
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Richard Rasker

    >> I don't believe a word of your "report". Frankly, I think you are a
    >> liar.
    >>
    >> I dont believe about the sound quality or the inability to get the HW
    >> the machine shipped working.
    >>
    >> I suspect he or you screwed up the installation. Are you related to
    >> Kelsey?

    >
    > Yea, Ritchie isn't a very good fairy tale teller..
    >
    > Why do Linux people have such problems making Windows machines, even ones
    > that come preloaded, work?
    >
    > Do they have some kind of jinx field around them?



    It looks to me that the person shouldn't be behind the keyboard or mouse
    doing anything with an O/S - none of them. The person is a clown.


    >


  3. Re: Another Vista machine upgraded to Linux


    "Moshe Goldfarb" wrote in message
    news:100mz4ee5uh25.tb16yqa1rohe.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:45:04 +0200, Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Richard Rasker writes:
    >>
    >>> Today I had the chance to play with a fully functional Vista box, this
    >>> one
    >>> to be precise: http://www.medion.de/md8830/uk/flash.html, offered
    >>> as "Multimedia Entertainment PC".

    >>
    >> This should be good. More Dicky Rarseker lies.
    >>
    >>> Well, of course it sucked, although it wasn't as bad as my first Vista
    >>> experience. Cold boot time was impressive (for Vista, that is): after 40
    >>> seconds, the desktop showed, and after another minute, the machine was
    >>> quite responsive -- that is, with a working network connection present.
    >>> Without a network connection, boot time is almost 5 minutes; don't ask
    >>> me
    >>> why this is. Anyway, under normal conditions, it boots only twice as
    >>> slow
    >>> as Linux/KDE (Mandriva), so that's pretty good.

    >>
    >> Sure. LOL.
    >>
    >>> Other minor annoyances: the mouse wheel doesn't work, the sound output
    >>> has a

    >>
    >> The mouse wheel does not work? Sure.
    >>
    >>> tinny quality and infrequently produces soft interference clicks
    >>> (although
    >>> hardly audible), the TV output picture frankly sucks, and so far, no-one
    >>> has succeeded in getting the built-in tuner card to work (I couldn't
    >>> even
    >>> get it to show up in Vista's hardware list). And of course it's
    >>> sluggish.
    >>> In a lot of tools and dialogs (e.g. nVidia's screen settings), Vista
    >>> takes
    >>> a full second or more to respond to mouse clicks. And when I created a
    >>> recovery DVD with the factory preinstalled image, the system completely
    >>> froze for fully four minutes, during which literally nothing appeared to
    >>> happen -- and if there hadn't been a warning dialog that "the machine
    >>> may
    >>> become unresponsive for a few moments", I probably would have rebooted
    >>> it
    >>> after a minute or so. But burning the DVD actually seems to have
    >>> succeeded
    >>> (although I couldn't find any verification tool).
    >>>
    >>> On the bright side: in the four hours I checked out the machine and
    >>> tried
    >>> getting the tuner card and dual screen output to work (failing miserably
    >>> on
    >>> both counts -- but then again, I'm not a Windows expert) I only got two
    >>> expection errors, and nothing actually crashed or froze (at least for
    >>> more
    >>> than a second or so), so Vista seems pretty stable.
    >>>
    >>> Anyway, the owner was rather disappointed with his "multimedia machine",
    >>> and
    >>> wanted to see if Linux could do better. After creating a 20GB empty
    >>> partition with Vista's disk management tool (which wasn't too bad), the
    >>> installation of Mandriva took less than 15 minutes, and most hardware
    >>> was
    >>> installed and recognized fine. It took half an hour more to update the
    >>> installation and install the multimedia stuff (nVidia drivers, codecs
    >>> and
    >>> other non-free software), after which all worked just fine -- except the
    >>> tuner card. Unsurprisingly, Mandriva was much faster and snappier than
    >>> Vista: total boot time between power-up and a fully loaded desktop is a
    >>> mere 45 seconds, and most things happen at a blistering speed, with

    >>
    >> "blistering speed". Sure. ROTFLM.


    He found that in a thesaurus and just had to use it lol



    >>
    >>> Mandriva immediately responding to every user action. Even OpenOffice
    >>> starts in only three seconds :-) And oh, the mouse wheel functions, and
    >>> the
    >>> sound quality is vastly better too.

    >>
    >> A first.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> The only disappointment was that I couldn't get the tuner card (Creatix
    >>> CTX953) to work. It was recognized, but there appears to be no Linux
    >>> support for it yet (and I didn't want to go through the trouble of
    >>> compiling experimental support for this beastie in a kernel module).

    >>
    >> "beastie". Oh dear me. He's going for the humorist geek image.
    >>
    >>> Another drawback is that the man is still tied to Vista because of a few
    >>> apps (AutoCAD and something I didn't rememeber the name of) for which
    >>> there's no viable Linux equivalent. So I wonder if he's going to use
    >>> Linux
    >>> at all -- he seemed impressed with what he saw, but I know from
    >>> experience
    >>> that having to reboot on a regular basis is quite a turn-off; people
    >>> will
    >>> rather stick with what they're most familiar with, even though they
    >>> don't
    >>> really like it much.

    >>
    >> He will tick with what runs the SW he needs. Simple enough.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> So the verdict is that yes, Vista sucks -- but for most people, it's not
    >>> bad
    >>> enough to make them switch to something completely different and
    >>> unfamiliar. They simply put up with the crap ("Ah well, I guess I'll
    >>> have
    >>> to stick to the TV + VCR a little longer.")
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Richard Rasker

    >>
    >> I don't believe a word of your "report". Frankly, I think you are a
    >> liar.
    >>
    >> I dont believe about the sound quality or the inability to get the HW
    >> the machine shipped working.
    >>
    >> I suspect he or you screwed up the installation. Are you related to
    >> Kelsey?

    >
    > Yea, Ritchie isn't a very good fairy tale teller..
    >
    > Why do Linux people have such problems making Windows machines, even ones
    > that come preloaded, work?


    Their brain has deteriorated from using Linux? My 3 yo nephew and 88 yo
    grandmother who can't set her VCR can use Windows but these geeks can't
    haha



    >
    > Do they have some kind of jinx field around them?


    You know I think you're right. These nerd types **** up everything around
    them. The people who work for MS, Apple etc are professional engineers and
    have a real life outside of work. The dweebs fooling around with Linux 24
    hours a day are people with no real lives. I guess they think Bill Gates
    never heard of Unix or Linux lol

    >
    > --
    > Moshe Goldfarb
    > Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    > Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    > http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/




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