Hadron schreef:
> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>
> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
> the audio device.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.

I initially used AlsamixerGui for sound settings.

"Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:

> Hadron schreef:
>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>
>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>> the audio device.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.

Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?

>
> I initially used AlsamixerGui for sound settings.

Initially? What do you use now?

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Hadron schreef:
> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>
>> Hadron schreef:
>>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>>
>>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>>> the audio device.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>
> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?

No, double clicking on the media files.
In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a challenge
on many computers running Linux.
>
>> I initially used AlsamixerGui for sound settings.
>
> Initially? What do you use now?

Initially as in right after installing the OS and apps.
I haven't touched it in a while except for enabling a simple USB VOIP
handset.
>

"Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:

> Hadron schreef:
>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>
>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>>>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>>>
>>>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>>>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>>>> the audio device.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>
>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>
> No, double clicking on the media files.

So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?

> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
> challenge on many computers running Linux.

So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;

>>
>>> I initially used AlsamixerGui for sound settings.
>>
>> Initially? What do you use now?
>
> Initially as in right after installing the OS and apps.
> I haven't touched it in a while except for enabling a simple USB VOIP
> handset.
>>

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Hadron writes:

> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>
>> Hadron schreef:
>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>>>>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>>>>
>>>>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>>>>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>>>>> the audio device.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>
>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>
>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>
> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>
>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>
> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>
>>>
>>>> I initially used AlsamixerGui for sound settings.
>>>
>>> Initially? What do you use now?
>>
>> Initially as in right after installing the OS and apps.
>> I haven't touched it in a while except for enabling a simple USB VOIP
>> handset.
>>>

Looks like I'm not alone

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-417681.html


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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:50:18 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>
> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
> the audio device.

To handle simultaneous audio output you'll need to run a sound server
(aRts, JACK, ESD, PulseAudio) and change your player options to route
sound through the sound server. I'm not sure if this is possible for
'play' (SoX) but I believe you can change the command used to play in
gnubiff preferences.

For example, with artsd running, you can change 'play' to 'artsplay' in
gnubiff preferences, start mplayer with the '-ao arts' option and then
you'll be able to hear both. To set arts as thte default audio output
destination in mplayer, add 'ao=arts' to ~/.mplayer/config

If you already have ESD running in Gnome, switch to esdplay in gnubiff
preferences and use the -ao esd option for mplayer (or add 'ao=esd' to
~/.mplayer/config).






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Snowbat writes:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:50:18 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>
>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>> the audio device.
>
> To handle simultaneous audio output you'll need to run a sound server
> (aRts, JACK, ESD, PulseAudio) and change your player options to route
> sound through the sound server. I'm not sure if this is possible for
> 'play' (SoX) but I believe you can change the command used to play in
> gnubiff preferences.
>
> For example, with artsd running, you can change 'play' to 'artsplay' in
> gnubiff preferences, start mplayer with the '-ao arts' option and then
> you'll be able to hear both. To set arts as thte default audio output
> destination in mplayer, add 'ao=arts' to ~/.mplayer/config
>
> If you already have ESD running in Gnome, switch to esdplay in gnubiff
> preferences and use the -ao esd option for mplayer (or add 'ao=esd' to
> ~/.mplayer/config).

Thanks for advice.

I will try it and report back. ps this also worked by running it in a
terminal:

gst-launch gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample !
gconfaudiosink profile=chat

I have no idea what it is or how it does it.


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Snowbat writes:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:50:18 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Can anyone here succesfully play a movie in mplayer and then have the
>> "play" command play a wav file over the top?
>>
>> I use "gnubiff" as an imap email alert which in turn uses "play" to
>> alert me of new email. Unfortunately "play" does nothing if mplayer has
>> the audio device.
>
> To handle simultaneous audio output you'll need to run a sound server
> (aRts, JACK, ESD, PulseAudio) and change your player options to route
> sound through the sound server. I'm not sure if this is possible for
> 'play' (SoX) but I believe you can change the command used to play in
> gnubiff preferences.
>
> For example, with artsd running, you can change 'play' to 'artsplay' in
> gnubiff preferences, start mplayer with the '-ao arts' option and then
> you'll be able to hear both. To set arts as thte default audio output
> destination in mplayer, add 'ao=arts' to ~/.mplayer/config
>
> If you already have ESD running in Gnome, switch to esdplay in gnubiff
> preferences and use the -ao esd option for mplayer (or add 'ao=esd' to
> ~/.mplayer/config).

You are a star!

I did some background googling and replaced esd with pulse
audio. Modified Amarok to use the pulseaudio plugin, change the mplayer
to use esd (pulse is a drop in replacement) and used esdplay in gnubiff!

All works brilliantly - thanks!

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Hadron schreef:
> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:

>>>>>
>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>
> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
movie, simultaneous sound.

And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
be any different to opening the file from the player?
>
>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>
> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;

It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.

"Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:

> Hadron schreef:
>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>
>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>
> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play - your
use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?

> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.

What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.

> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
> movie, simultaneous sound.

You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.

>
> And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
> be any different to opening the file from the player?

This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be something
different again.

>>
>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>
>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>
> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.

I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.


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Hadron schreef:
> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>
>> Hadron schreef:
>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>
> No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play - your
> use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?
>
>> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
>
> What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.
>
>> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
>> movie, simultaneous sound.
>
> You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
> really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.
>
>> And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
>> be any different to opening the file from the player?
>
> This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
> working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be something
> different again.
>
>>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.
>
> I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
> it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.
>
>
Hehe, yes I just saw the solution.
In my case it's through artsd that the multiplexing works.

And indeed I forgot the various players have a choice of audio and video
back ends.

"Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:

> Hadron schreef:
>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>
>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>>
>> No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play - your
>> use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?
>>
>>> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
>>
>> What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.
>>
>>> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
>>> movie, simultaneous sound.
>>
>> You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
>> really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.
>>
>>> And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
>>> be any different to opening the file from the player?
>>
>> This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
>> working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be something
>> different again.
>>
>>>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>>> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.
>>
>> I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
>> it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.
>>
>>
> Hehe, yes I just saw the solution.
> In my case it's through artsd that the multiplexing works.
>
> And indeed I forgot the various players have a choice of audio and
> video back ends.

No problems - I appreciate your help. We all learnt things from such
threads - I certainly did. I had wrongly assumed that a proper sound
server/daemon/mixer was installed and running.

Sorry, but sound/competing sound systems make Linux a complete mess at
times.

Having said that, its great now its working ...

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Hadron writes:

> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>
>> Hadron schreef:
>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>>>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>>>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>>>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>>>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>>>
>>> No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play - your
>>> use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?
>>>
>>>> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
>>>
>>> What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.
>>>
>>>> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
>>>> movie, simultaneous sound.
>>>
>>> You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
>>> really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.
>>>
>>>> And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
>>>> be any different to opening the file from the player?
>>>
>>> This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
>>> working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be something
>>> different again.
>>>
>>>>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>>>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>>>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>>>> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.
>>>
>>> I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
>>> it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.
>>>
>>>
>> Hehe, yes I just saw the solution.
>> In my case it's through artsd that the multiplexing works.
>>
>> And indeed I forgot the various players have a choice of audio and
>> video back ends.
>
> No problems - I appreciate your help. We all learnt things from such
> threads - I certainly did. I had wrongly assumed that a proper sound
> server/daemon/mixer was installed and running.
>
> Sorry, but sound/competing sound systems make Linux a complete mess at
> times.
>
> Having said that, its great now its working ...

I spoke too soon.

No sounds from Iceweasel/Firefox anymore.

Aargh.


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Hadron writes:

> Hadron writes:
>
>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>
>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this works, a
>>>>>>>>> movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping! of KTeaTime.
>>>>>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>>>>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>>>>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have setup?
>>>>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>>>>
>>>> No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play - your
>>>> use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?
>>>>
>>>>> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
>>>>
>>>> What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.
>>>>
>>>>> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
>>>>> movie, simultaneous sound.
>>>>
>>>> You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
>>>> really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.
>>>>
>>>>> And why would initiating a player through the default mime association
>>>>> be any different to opening the file from the player?
>>>>
>>>> This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
>>>> working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be something
>>>> different again.
>>>>
>>>>>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>>>>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>>>>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>>>>> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.
>>>>
>>>> I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
>>>> it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hehe, yes I just saw the solution.
>>> In my case it's through artsd that the multiplexing works.
>>>
>>> And indeed I forgot the various players have a choice of audio and
>>> video back ends.
>>
>> No problems - I appreciate your help. We all learnt things from such
>> threads - I certainly did. I had wrongly assumed that a proper sound
>> server/daemon/mixer was installed and running.
>>
>> Sorry, but sound/competing sound systems make Linux a complete mess at
>> times.
>>
>> Having said that, its great now its working ...
>
> I spoke too soon.
>
> No sounds from Iceweasel/Firefox anymore.
>
> Aargh.

And solved for Debian :

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497

Then edit your /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc and change a line to look like this:

ICEWEASEL_DSP="padsp"

Hadron wrote:

> Hadron writes:
>
>> Hadron writes:
>>
>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hadron schreef:
>>>>>>> "Dirk T. Verbeek" writes:
>>>>>>>>>> I've just tried it on my Toshiba laptop with Kubuntu and this
>>>>>>>>>> works, a movie in Mplayer + a wav file in XMMS and/or the Ping!
>>>>>>>>>> of KTeaTime.
>>>>>>>>> Using the "play" command? What do Xmms or KTeatime use?
>>>>>>>> No, double clicking on the media files.
>>>>>>> So not really applicable - any idea what default player you have
>>>>>>> setup?
>>>>>> Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You seem not to understand the issue though. I mentioned play -
>>>>> your use of xmms was not relevant it seemed. Or?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote the movie was played through Mplayer and the wav with Xmms.
>>>>>
>>>>> What output from xmms? I dont know. I told you I used play.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for you I tested the same with Amarok for wav and VLC for the
>>>>>> movie, simultaneous sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> You never mentioned this before but thanks for the info - but also not
>>>>> really important since it depends on what backend Amarok is using.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And why would initiating a player through the default mime
>>>>>> association be any different to opening the file from the player?
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be evident to you. It was a question of different parts
>>>>> working together :-; Your default double click/open app might be
>>>>> something different again.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In case of TeaTime I imagine it's a wav as .mid is a bit of a
>>>>>>>> challenge on many computers running Linux.
>>>>>>> So we dont even know its a wav, never mind which player it uses? :-;
>>>>>> It's using artsd to /dev/dsp to play
>>>>>> /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Notify.wav.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use gnome. See the other replies in the thread to see how I solved
>>>>> it. Using pulse solved the issues very nicely indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hehe, yes I just saw the solution.
>>>> In my case it's through artsd that the multiplexing works.
>>>>
>>>> And indeed I forgot the various players have a choice of audio and
>>>> video back ends.
>>>
>>> No problems - I appreciate your help. We all learnt things from such
>>> threads - I certainly did. I had wrongly assumed that a proper sound
>>> server/daemon/mixer was installed and running.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but sound/competing sound systems make Linux a complete mess at
>>> times.
>>>
>>> Having said that, its great now its working ...
>>
>> I spoke too soon.
>>
>> No sounds from Iceweasel/Firefox anymore.
>>
>> Aargh.
>
> And solved for Debian :
>
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497
>
> Then edit your /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc and change a line to look like
> this:
>
> ICEWEASEL_DSP="padsp"

Hardon, why do you even bother? Just use Windoze. It's your preferred
platform anyways. Why all this struggling to use Linux? Are you that ****ed
up?

Cheers.

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