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  1. Hardy update fails

    I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff
    for work purposes.

    Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    upgrades:

    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree
    Reading state information... Done
    Reading extended state information
    Initializing package states... Done
    Building tag database... Done
    The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    gcc-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    libffi4: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.

    Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?

    I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.

    i

  2. Re: Hardy update fails

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus16148 wrote:

    > I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff for
    > work purposes.
    >
    > Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    > upgrades:
    >
    > Reading package lists... Done
    > Building dependency tree
    > Reading state information... Done
    > Reading extended state information
    > Initializing package states... Done
    > Building tag database... Done
    > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    > libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. gcc-4.2: Depends:
    > gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    > libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. libffi4: Depends:
    > gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    > libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6
    > is installed. cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    > 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >
    > Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?
    >
    > I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.
    >
    > i


    Does the term 'beta' mean anything to you?

  3. Re: Hardy update fails

    On 2008-03-24, ray wrote:
    > On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >
    >> I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff for
    >> work purposes.
    >>
    >> Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    >> upgrades:
    >>
    >> Reading package lists... Done
    >> Building dependency tree
    >> Reading state information... Done
    >> Reading extended state information
    >> Initializing package states... Done
    >> Building tag database... Done
    >> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    >> libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. gcc-4.2: Depends:
    >> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >> libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. libffi4: Depends:
    >> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >> libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6
    >> is installed. cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>
    >> Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?
    >>
    >> I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.
    >>
    >> i

    >
    > Does the term 'beta' mean anything to you?


    Yes, it does.

    Now, do you understand what is the error? My question was not "explain
    to me what is beta", it was to find out just how are the dependencies
    broken.

    i

  4. Re: Hardy update fails

    Ignoramus16148 illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > On 2008-03-24, ray wrote:
    >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff for
    >>> work purposes.
    >>>
    >>> Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    >>> upgrades:
    >>>
    >>> Reading package lists... Done
    >>> Building dependency tree
    >>> Reading state information... Done
    >>> Reading extended state information
    >>> Initializing package states... Done
    >>> Building tag database... Done
    >>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    >>> libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. gcc-4.2: Depends:
    >>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>> libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. libffi4: Depends:
    >>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>> libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6
    >>> is installed. cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?
    >>>
    >>> I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.
    >>>
    >>> i

    >>
    >> Does the term 'beta' mean anything to you?

    >
    > Yes, it does.
    >
    > Now, do you understand what is the error? My question was not "explain
    > to me what is beta", it was to find out just how are the dependencies
    > broken.


    That's easy.

    The dependencies for the programs are linking to older .deb files
    that have been upgraded. Nothing's really wrong, it's just the
    dependency tree hasn't caught up with the latest version.

    I would suggest waiting 48 hours. The dev team may resolve it.

    You could try visitng the Ubuntu Launchpad and check out the package
    information and bug reports. You may even feel like filling one out.

    https://launchpad.net/ubuntu

    --
    Moog

    "If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
    mashed potatoes"

  5. Re: Hardy update fails

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:45 -0500, Ignoramus16148
    wrote:

    >On 2008-03-24, ray wrote:
    >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff for
    >>> work purposes.
    >>>
    >>> Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    >>> upgrades:
    >>>
    >>> Reading package lists... Done
    >>> Building dependency tree
    >>> Reading state information... Done
    >>> Reading extended state information
    >>> Initializing package states... Done
    >>> Building tag database... Done
    >>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    >>> libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. gcc-4.2: Depends:
    >>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>> libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. libffi4: Depends:
    >>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>> libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6
    >>> is installed. cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>>
    >>> Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?
    >>>
    >>> I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.
    >>>
    >>> i

    >>
    >> Does the term 'beta' mean anything to you?

    >
    >Yes, it does.
    >
    >Now, do you understand what is the error? My question was not "explain
    >to me what is beta", it was to find out just how are the dependencies
    >broken.
    >
    >i


    The 7.10-8.04 upgrade does not work properly -- I had much the same
    problem.

    Solution -- download the 8.04 iso image, burn it and install from the
    DVD. Then, you will still be bombarded with 400+ updates, which you
    might want to be somewhat selective about installing.

    8.04 will probably break your wireless if you had used
    bmc43xx-fwcutter. I finally went the ndiswrapper route.

    After I got wireless working properly, I installed the remaining 8.04
    updates, and everything seems ok. But, YMMV. :-)
    --
    Jay (remove dashes for legal email address)

  6. Re: Hardy update fails

    On 2008-03-24, Jay Somerset wrote:
    > On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:45 -0500, Ignoramus16148
    > wrote:
    >
    >>On 2008-03-24, ray wrote:
    >>> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:22:50 -0500, Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I have Hardy on my laptop and I installed a bunch of compiler stuff for
    >>>> work purposes.
    >>>>
    >>>> Starting a day or two ago, I was getting the following errors during
    >>>> upgrades:
    >>>>
    >>>> Reading package lists... Done
    >>>> Building dependency tree
    >>>> Reading state information... Done
    >>>> Reading extended state information
    >>>> Initializing package states... Done
    >>>> Building tag database... Done
    >>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
    >>>> libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. g++-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. gcc-4.2: Depends:
    >>>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>>> libstdc++6-4.2-dev: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32gcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. libffi4: Depends:
    >>>> gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>>> libgcc1: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6
    >>>> is installed. cpp-4.2: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (= 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed. lib32stdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.2-base (=
    >>>> 4.2.3-2ubuntu4) but 4.2.3-2ubuntu6 is installed.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any ideas? WTF? Anyone can grok this?
    >>>>
    >>>> I can wait some time if this is going to be just resolved.
    >>>>
    >>>> i
    >>>
    >>> Does the term 'beta' mean anything to you?

    >>
    >>Yes, it does.
    >>
    >>Now, do you understand what is the error? My question was not "explain
    >>to me what is beta", it was to find out just how are the dependencies
    >>broken.
    >>
    >>i

    >
    > The 7.10-8.04 upgrade does not work properly -- I had much the same
    > problem.


    This laptop comes from a fresh install of 8.04.

    Whatever 7.10 stuff I had here, was blown away long time ago.

    > Solution -- download the 8.04 iso image, burn it and install from the
    > DVD. Then, you will still be bombarded with 400+ updates, which you
    > might want to be somewhat selective about installing.
    >
    > 8.04 will probably break your wireless if you had used
    > bmc43xx-fwcutter. I finally went the ndiswrapper route.


    My wireless works wonderfully.

    I am actually very happy with Hardy. Just two issues: 1) this one
    question that I posted, bugs me. 2) Hibernate function destroys my
    root partition. I have a launchpad bug about it.

    Everything else is great. I can live without hibernation. I hear that
    they are redoing it in newer kernels.

    i

  7. Re: Hardy update fails

    Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >
    > My wireless works wonderfully.
    >
    > I am actually very happy with Hardy. Just two issues: 1) this one
    > question that I posted, bugs me. 2) Hibernate function destroys my
    > root partition. I have a launchpad bug about it.
    >
    > Everything else is great. I can live without hibernation. I hear that
    > they are redoing it in newer kernels.
    >


    For the second one of your problems my computer has done the opposite of
    yours... The default hibernate and suspend config has not worked in
    Gutsy (where I had to use 'uwsusp' instead), but in Hardy it works...

    --
    Best regards Jacob Tranholm
    Karl R. Popper: Observation statements and statements of experimental
    results are always interpretations of the facts observed.

  8. Re: Hardy update fails

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:03:33 +0100, Jacob Tranholm
    wrote:

    >Ignoramus16148 wrote:
    >>
    >> My wireless works wonderfully.
    >>
    >> I am actually very happy with Hardy. Just two issues: 1) this one
    >> question that I posted, bugs me. 2) Hibernate function destroys my
    >> root partition. I have a launchpad bug about it.
    >>
    >> Everything else is great. I can live without hibernation. I hear that
    >> they are redoing it in newer kernels.
    >>

    >
    >For the second one of your problems my computer has done the opposite of
    >yours... The default hibernate and suspend config has not worked in
    >Gutsy (where I had to use 'uwsusp' instead), but in Hardy it works...


    Neither suspend nor hibernate does not properly for me with Hardy. My
    HP Pavilion laptop does not power down -- it appears to be suspebed
    with the power light slowly flashing, but will not wake up. A forced
    power-down and fresh boot is necessary to restore Ubuntu.
    --
    Jay (remove dashes for legal email address)

  9. Re: Hardy update fails

    Jay Somerset wrote:
    >
    > Neither suspend nor hibernate does not properly for me with Hardy. My
    > HP Pavilion laptop does not power down -- it appears to be suspebed
    > with the power light slowly flashing, but will not wake up. A forced
    > power-down and fresh boot is necessary to restore Ubuntu.


    Peculiar... I am running Hardy at a HP Pavilion DV6207EA and Hardy is
    the first distribution I have tested at this computer, where hibernate,
    suspend, power down... works out of the box (without any tweaking). And
    I have tried several other distributions at this particulate machine.

    --
    Best regards Jacob Tranholm
    Karl R. Popper: Observation statements and statements of experimental
    results are always interpretations of the facts observed.

  10. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:28:44 -0400, Jay Somerset wrote:
    >
    > The 7.10-8.04 upgrade does not work properly -- I had much the same
    > problem.
    >
    > Solution -- download the 8.04 iso image, burn it and install from the
    > DVD. Then, you will still be bombarded with 400+ updates, which you
    > might want to be somewhat selective about installing.
    >
    > 8.04 will probably break your wireless if you had used bmc43xx-fwcutter.
    > I finally went the ndiswrapper route.
    >
    > After I got wireless working properly, I installed the remaining 8.04
    > updates, and everything seems ok. But, YMMV. :-)



    This is ridiculous.

    Why do new releases of Ubuntu contain updated drivers that don't work,
    when the versions they are replacing did work??? I came across this
    problem when I configured my laptop for dialup Internet access. It took
    me a couple hours before I stumbled across a web page that explained the
    problem and how to replace the broken driver (sl-modem-daemon) with an
    earlier version.

    Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.

    Charlie

  11. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driver updates???

    Charlie Wilkes wrote:

    > On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:28:44 -0400, Jay Somerset wrote:
    >>
    >> The 7.10-8.04 upgrade does not work properly -- I had much the same
    >> problem.
    >>
    >> Solution -- download the 8.04 iso image, burn it and install from the
    >> DVD. Then, you will still be bombarded with 400+ updates, which you
    >> might want to be somewhat selective about installing.
    >>
    >> 8.04 will probably break your wireless if you had used bmc43xx-fwcutter.
    >> I finally went the ndiswrapper route.
    >>
    >> After I got wireless working properly, I installed the remaining 8.04
    >> updates, and everything seems ok. But, YMMV. :-)

    >
    >
    > This is ridiculous.
    >
    > Why do new releases of Ubuntu contain updated drivers that don't work,
    > when the versions they are replacing did work??? I came across this
    > problem when I configured my laptop for dialup Internet access. It took
    > me a couple hours before I stumbled across a web page that explained the
    > problem and how to replace the broken driver (sl-modem-daemon) with an
    > earlier version.
    >
    > Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    > releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.
    >
    > Charlie


    You DO know this is still in beta phase?
    You know what "beta" means?

    The *official* release is not until April.
    Note: This is still a beta release.
    Do not install it on production machines.
    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta


    --
    Mandriva 1 - 2008 - RC2 - 64bit OS.
    COLA trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/

  12. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:48:38 +0000, William Poaster wrote:

    > Charlie Wilkes wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:28:44 -0400, Jay Somerset wrote:
    >>>
    >>> The 7.10-8.04 upgrade does not work properly -- I had much the same
    >>> problem.
    >>>
    >>> Solution -- download the 8.04 iso image, burn it and install from the
    >>> DVD. Then, you will still be bombarded with 400+ updates, which you
    >>> might want to be somewhat selective about installing.
    >>>
    >>> 8.04 will probably break your wireless if you had used
    >>> bmc43xx-fwcutter.
    >>> I finally went the ndiswrapper route.
    >>>
    >>> After I got wireless working properly, I installed the remaining 8.04
    >>> updates, and everything seems ok. But, YMMV. :-)

    >>
    >>
    >> This is ridiculous.
    >>
    >> Why do new releases of Ubuntu contain updated drivers that don't work,
    >> when the versions they are replacing did work??? I came across this
    >> problem when I configured my laptop for dialup Internet access. It
    >> took me a couple hours before I stumbled across a web page that
    >> explained the problem and how to replace the broken driver
    >> (sl-modem-daemon) with an earlier version.
    >>
    >> Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    >> releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.
    >>
    >> Charlie

    >
    > You DO know this is still in beta phase? You know what "beta" means?


    Yes I DO know. However the example I gave involves the release version
    of 7.04.

    Charlie

    >
    > The *official* release is not until April. Note: This is still a beta
    > release.
    > Do not install it on production machines.
    > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
    >
    >


  13. Re: Hardy update fails

    On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:22:52 +0100, Jacob Tranholm
    wrote:

    >Jay Somerset wrote:
    >>
    >> Neither suspend nor hibernate does not properly for me with Hardy. My
    >> HP Pavilion laptop does not power down -- it appears to be suspebed
    >> with the power light slowly flashing, but will not wake up. A forced
    >> power-down and fresh boot is necessary to restore Ubuntu.

    >
    >Peculiar... I am running Hardy at a HP Pavilion DV6207EA and Hardy is
    >the first distribution I have tested at this computer, where hibernate,
    >suspend, power down... works out of the box (without any tweaking). And
    >I have tried several other distributions at this particulate machine.


    Mine is a DV2310ca. Do you get the "BIOS bug found" message right at
    the start of the boot process? I have always got this with any
    version of Ubuntu, but have experienced no problems except hibernate.
    Suspend seemed to work OK until I added the available updates to the
    8.04 alpha-6 base system. Perhaps my problem is specific to the
    particular motherboard in this model laptop.
    --
    Jay (remove dashes for legal email address)

  14. Re: Hardy update fails

    Jay Somerset skrev:
    > Mine is a DV2310ca. Do you get the "BIOS bug found" message right at
    > the start of the boot process? I have always got this with any
    > version of Ubuntu, but have experienced no problems except hibernate.
    > Suspend seemed to work OK until I added the available updates to the
    > 8.04 alpha-6 base system. Perhaps my problem is specific to the
    > particular motherboard in this model laptop.


    Actually one of my surprises when I booted Hardy 2.6.24 up the first
    time was that the ACPI part of the kernel apparently recognizes almost
    everything. Intel has produced (given name to) most of the hardware at
    this computer, and in the 2.6.24 kernel they seem to have solved some of
    the former issues. - The computer also worked perfectly at Gutsy, but I
    had to tweak (for instance) some harddisk settings in order to control
    the harddisk temperature under heavy workloads. In Hardy this is done
    automatic with the default kernel.

    --
    Best regards Jacob Tranholm
    Karl R. Popper: Observation statements and statements of experimental
    results are always interpretations of the facts observed.

  15. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    On 2008-03-25, Charlie Wilkes wrote:

    > Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    > releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.


    I could not agree with you more. The developers must feel immense
    pressure to get their product out the door and I am sure quality must
    suffer.

    Andrew

    --
    http://www.andrews-corner.org

  16. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    andrew illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > On 2008-03-25, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
    >
    >> Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    >> releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.

    >
    > I could not agree with you more. The developers must feel immense
    > pressure to get their product out the door and I am sure quality must
    > suffer.


    Actually, I'm on the other side of the fence.

    I think a little pressure is great. Most people (probably yourself
    included) work a little harder knowing that deadlines are imminent and
    that you *really* need to iron out that bug.

    Also, as ubuntu is just a bunch of .deb files, it's not too difficult
    for the specific members of the dev team to specialise.

    My Humble opinion of course, but carry on with this wonderful six
    monthly improvement,

    It certainly puts a lot of OS's to shame and is now becoming the
    "de-facto" standard for other linux/unix style distros.

    If we want perfectly tested stability, we'd all be running slackware.
    Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that, but Ubuntu and
    it's "pressures" have driven linux forward no end.

    --
    Moog

    "If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
    mashed potatoes"

  17. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    On 2008-03-25, Moog wrote:

    > If we want perfectly tested stability, we'd all be running slackware.


    Hey Moog, you have struck me a fair blow :-) In fact in the distro you
    mention there is a release every year or so, whenever Patrick
    Volkerding feels it is appropriate. Very much the opposite of the
    Ubuntu schedule and I guess I have fallen into that way of thinking.

    Andrew

    --
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  18. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driver updates???

    andrew wrote:

    > On 2008-03-25, Charlie Wilkes wrote:
    >
    >> Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    >> releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.

    >
    > I could not agree with you more. The developers must feel immense
    > pressure to get their product out the door and I am sure quality must
    > suffer.
    >
    > Andrew
    >

    Andrew, I disagree with the statement "quality must suffer". Every upgrade
    has added better functionality to Ubuntu. Those parts slated to be included
    in a particular upgrade but didn't make the cut was dropped from that
    upgrade. It looks to me like the development teams set realistic goals for
    themselves within the timeframes, so it shouldn't matter how frequently the
    upgrades are scheduled. Ubuntu 8.04 will be LTS, so I'm guessing that they
    will have to pretty realistic with what they try and introduce with that
    release.

    Cheers.

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  19. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:20:30 -0700, NoStop wrote:

    > andrew wrote:
    >
    >> On 2008-03-25, Charlie Wilkes
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Maybe the developers should extend the time frame between Ubuntu
    >>> releases, to ensure that each new version is really a step forward.

    >>
    >> I could not agree with you more. The developers must feel immense
    >> pressure to get their product out the door and I am sure quality must
    >> suffer.
    >>
    >> Andrew
    >>

    > Andrew, I disagree with the statement "quality must suffer". Every
    > upgrade has added better functionality to Ubuntu. Those parts slated to
    > be included in a particular upgrade but didn't make the cut was dropped
    > from that upgrade.


    With some exceptions... for example, I configured a dialup connection on
    a laptop with Edgy and on another laptop with Feisty. Both required the
    use of a driver called sl-modem-daemon. The version from the Edgy
    repository worked fine. The version from the Feisty repository did not
    work, so I replaced it with the Edgy version once I learned what the
    problem was. Why did they replace a working driver with a broken one?

    I skipped Gutsy altogether, but I have the impression quite a few people
    had problems with it, especially on high-end equipment with lots of RAM,
    and were only able to solve these problems by rolling back to Feisty.

    Now someone comes along and says, rather casually, "8.04 will probably
    break your wireless." I realize 8.04 is still in beta, so this might
    still get fixed. I hope it does, because a lot of people will be
    frustrated if they upgrade to the 8.04 release and find their wireless
    connection no longer works.

    I realize technology is changing and Ubuntu is doing the right thing by
    keeping pace. But it's a balancing act.

    Charlie


    > It looks to me like the development teams set
    > realistic goals for themselves within the timeframes, so it shouldn't
    > matter how frequently the upgrades are scheduled. Ubuntu 8.04 will be
    > LTS, so I'm guessing that they will have to pretty realistic with what
    > they try and introduce with that release.
    >
    > Cheers.



  20. Re: Hardy update fails -- What is going on with these broken driverupdates???

    andrew illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > On 2008-03-25, Moog wrote:
    >
    >> If we want perfectly tested stability, we'd all be running slackware.

    >
    > Hey Moog, you have struck me a fair blow :-)


    I knew you'd like that. ;-)

    > In fact in the distro you
    > mention there is a release every year or so, whenever Patrick
    > Volkerding feels it is appropriate. Very much the opposite of the
    > Ubuntu schedule and I guess I have fallen into that way of thinking.


    Indeed. Which is exactly as I thought. You Antipodeans can be read
    like a book.

    --
    Moog

    "If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
    mashed potatoes"

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