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  1. Re: Absolute newbie

    * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:

    >
    >
    > "ray" wrote in message
    > news:623puhF21futeU2@mid.individual.net...
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:59 +0000, Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >>
    >>> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>>
    >>> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for the
    >>> culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather that
    >>> going into everything in full detail.

    >>
    >> What 'culture shock'?

    >
    > The only culture shock is the idiot zealots that hang around waiting
    > for the unwary user to ask a question.
    > Ignore them and it will be fine.
    >
    >


    You do realize how ironic your zealot accusations are, right?

    I mean, what exactly are you doing here? You dont answer questions
    regarding Linux, you dig at every response given to newbies/veterans
    regarding an OS you seem to know very little about and are in here
    claiming that MS Vista et al is better than Linux at everything.

    Seems the epidome of zealotry to me. Who do you think you are
    helping/hurting?

    --
    David

  2. Re: Absolute newbie

    ray writes:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:59 +0000, Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >
    >> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>
    >> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for the
    >> culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather that going
    >> into everything in full detail.

    >
    > What 'culture shock'? Linux is not so different as to be difficult. When
    > we installed Linux on the public access computers at the local library,
    > the patrons adjusted without problem. I suggest you boot a Linux Live CD
    > and simply try it out.


    patrons who use a web browser. This is not like "using the OS" at home
    where you install and maintain a plethora of SW.

    Oh and libraryStory++;


  3. Re: Absolute newbie

    ray writes:

    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:35:30 +1100, andrew wrote:
    >
    >> On 2008-02-20, ray wrote:
    >>
    >>> What 'culture shock'? Linux is not so different as to be difficult.
    >>> When we installed Linux on the public access computers at the local
    >>> library, the patrons adjusted without problem. I suggest you boot a
    >>> Linux Live CD and simply try it out.

    >>
    >> That is fascinating! Can I ask which linux distro you used and what
    >> purpose the public access computers have in the library? And country?
    >>
    >> Andrew

    >
    > Sure - when we started, we had four computers set up with Mandrake and
    > one with MS/xp. Later added some more and converted to Ubuntu later.
    > Current configuration: five Ubuntu, four RHEL (this is one four seat
    > Userful station - see userful.ca) - there is also one MS/xp and one MS/
    > vista.
    >
    > The purpose of public access computers in a library is to provide
    > internet access for the patrons. There are quite a variety of needs: some
    > folks still don't have one at home, or they might be having theirs fixed
    > - we also have quite a contingent of mormon 'missionaries' who come in to
    > communicate with folks back home. - And this is in the U.S - in Chubbuck,
    > ID, to be precise.
    >
    > I admin the Linux stations on a volunteer basis, having retired from a
    > computer career a few years ago.


    As I thought. Web Access.

    This is hardly a good "user stress" test for Linux now is it?

  4. Re: Absolute newbie

    Ampers Taylor writes:

    > Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>
    >> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for the
    >> culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather that
    >> going into everything in full detail.
    >>
    >> Perhaps a weblink to a website which might actually do this as well?
    >>
    >> Ampers

    >
    > I might add that although I have been in micro computers since 1977, I
    > am 68 so am not as quick or as bright as I used to be.
    >
    > Ampers


    try here:

    http://schestowitz.com/

    It's written by a campaigner for OSS.

  5. Re: Absolute newbie

    Dan C writes:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:33:29 +0000, Derek Turner wrote:
    >
    >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux)
    >>> Comment: Armoured with GnuPG
    >>>
    >>> iD8DBQFHvEvRagVFX4UWr64RAsDJAJ4vlhfBoGMRzvF4BHqwj2 hMPYzSoQCggtsQ
    >>> pYHcr8sgIc2dh0VND1tMEuA=
    >>> =9FAk
    >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    >
    >> Fix your sig.

    >
    > He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some meaningful use
    > on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like with their signature
    > blocks, including the non-standard delimiter characters.


    Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is meaningless
    to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over to.

  6. Re: Absolute newbie

    Noel Foster writes:

    > Alias wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Yes, there is. Highlight one of Frank's messages and then go to
    >> Message/Create Filter from Message. Unfortunately, Frank desperately
    >> needs attention and continually changes his email address to escape
    >> filters. I have six for him already.
    >>

    >
    > Better still, use a news server that filters boodly roadrunner. Of
    > course you then have to put up with the idiots who can resist answering
    > him.
    >
    > Noel.


    Killing based on an entire source domain is pathetic and should be
    against the morals of any supposed Linux/Gnu/OSS advocate. Shame on you.

  7. Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron blubbered incoherently:

    > Noel Foster writes:
    >
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Yes, there is. Highlight one of Frank's messages and then go to
    >>> Message/Create Filter from Message. Unfortunately, Frank desperately
    >>> needs attention and continually changes his email address to escape
    >>> filters. I have six for him already.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Better still, use a news server that filters boodly roadrunner. Of
    >> course you then have to put up with the idiots who can resist answering
    >> him.
    >>
    >> Noel.

    >
    > Killing based on an entire source domain is pathetic and should be
    > against the morals of any supposed Linux/Gnu/OSS advocate. Shame on you.


    Next thing is you will claim that this amounts to "censorship"

    After all, this filthy scum he killfiles has a "right" that everyone reads
    their drivel.
    And nobody should be allowed to simply set up their own rules what they read
    or don't.

    Right? Right, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
    admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware
    maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee
    chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    O'Leary?

    --
    Windows isn't unstable. It's spontaneous.


  8. Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron wrote:
    > Dan C writes:
    >
    >> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:33:29 +0000, Derek Turner wrote:
    >>
    >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux)
    >>>> Comment: Armoured with GnuPG
    >>>>
    >>>> iD8DBQFHvEvRagVFX4UWr64RAsDJAJ4vlhfBoGMRzvF4BHqwj2 hMPYzSoQCggtsQ
    >>>> pYHcr8sgIc2dh0VND1tMEuA=
    >>>> =9FAk
    >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

    >>
    >>> Fix your sig.

    >> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some meaningful use
    >> on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like with their signature
    >> blocks, including the non-standard delimiter characters.

    >
    > Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is meaningless
    > to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over to.


    Although I agree with you in principle in newsgroups, your comment is
    not entirely right.

    I use PGP signed email when I email people in politics (I dabble) and
    the objective isn't for the other person to check my signature.

    It is so that, if someone doctors my email message, I can prove
    conclusively that this has been done.

    Ampers


  9. Re: Absolute newbie



    "SINNER" wrote in message
    news:Xns9A4B77F8A313Flouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99. 130...
    > * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> "ray" wrote in message
    >> news:623puhF21futeU2@mid.individual.net...
    >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:59 +0000, Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>>>
    >>>> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for the
    >>>> culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather that
    >>>> going into everything in full detail.
    >>>
    >>> What 'culture shock'?

    >>
    >> The only culture shock is the idiot zealots that hang around waiting
    >> for the unwary user to ask a question.
    >> Ignore them and it will be fine.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > You do realize how ironic your zealot accusations are, right?
    >
    > I mean, what exactly are you doing here? You dont answer questions
    > regarding Linux, you dig at every response given to newbies/veterans
    > regarding an OS you seem to know very little about


    Balls I am here because I have posted requests for help.. not that I have
    got a sensible answer (but thanks to the few that tried).
    I only dig at what are lies (like everything Peter says).
    And I know more about linux than you think I do.

    > and are in here
    > claiming that MS Vista et al is better than Linux at everything.
    >


    More balls! not once have I claimed any such thing.. you should try reading
    my posts rather than listening to the lies and bull**** your compatriots
    posts. It is you that is a zealot as is shown by the lies you are posting
    above.

    > Seems the epidome of zealotry to me. Who do you think you are
    > helping/hurting?


    I am hurting nobody, who are you hurting when you aren't on your computer.
    It is people like you that start the damn threads that run and run with your
    irrational cr@p so sod off.




  10. Re: Absolute newbie

    * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:

    >
    >
    > "SINNER" wrote in message
    > news:Xns9A4B77F8A313Flouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99. 130...
    >> * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "ray" wrote in message
    >>> news:623puhF21futeU2@mid.individual.net...
    >>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:59 +0000, Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for
    >>>>> the culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather
    >>>>> that going into everything in full detail.
    >>>>
    >>>> What 'culture shock'?
    >>>
    >>> The only culture shock is the idiot zealots that hang around waiting
    >>> for the unwary user to ask a question.
    >>> Ignore them and it will be fine.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> You do realize how ironic your zealot accusations are, right?
    >>
    >> I mean, what exactly are you doing here? You dont answer questions
    >> regarding Linux, you dig at every response given to newbies/veterans
    >> regarding an OS you seem to know very little about

    >
    > Balls I am here because I have posted requests for help.


    Looking back at the history and I see one, since then, exactly that,
    balls.

    > . not that I
    > have got a sensible answer (but thanks to the few that tried).
    > I only dig at what are lies (like everything Peter says).
    > And I know more about linux than you think I do.


    That maybe true but youve yet to display that, all youve done since then
    is attack.

    >
    >> and are in here
    >> claiming that MS Vista et al is better than Linux at everything.
    >>

    >
    > More balls! not once have I claimed any such thing.. you should try
    > reading my posts rather than listening to the lies and bull**** your
    > compatriots posts.


    I read most of your posts, not sure why as I've yet to see any value in
    them, but that is irrelevant. I am not listening to anyone, all one needs
    to do is read, all your attackes are based on the fact that Linux
    'zealots' claim they have a better OS and then exclaim that 'Windows can
    do that too, and better'

    > It is you that is a zealot as is shown by the lies
    > you are posting above.


    Perhaps you should look up the definition of zealot, not to mention
    having a look at my posting headers.

    >
    >> Seems the epidome of zealotry to me. Who do you think you are
    >> helping/hurting?

    >
    > I am hurting nobody,


    You arent helping either and the purpose of this newsgroup is to provide
    help when possible.

    > who are you hurting when you aren't on your
    > computer. It is people like you that start the damn threads that run
    > and run with your irrational cr@p so sod off.


    Please post a msgid of said post or sod off yourself. You talk a lot of
    crap but refuse to back said crap up, typical trolling behavior.

    --
    David

    >
    >
    >
    >



  11. Re: Absolute newbie

    * Hadron wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:

    > Noel Foster writes:
    >
    >> Alias wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Yes, there is. Highlight one of Frank's messages and then go to
    >>> Message/Create Filter from Message. Unfortunately, Frank desperately
    >>> needs attention and continually changes his email address to escape
    >>> filters. I have six for him already.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Better still, use a news server that filters boodly roadrunner. Of
    >> course you then have to put up with the idiots who can resist

    answering
    >> him.
    >>
    >> Noel.

    >
    > Killing based on an entire source domain is pathetic and should be
    > against the morals of any supposed Linux/Gnu/OSS advocate. Shame on

    you.
    >


    The only thing its against is YOUR opinion, tough ****. FIltering has
    nothing to do with advocating OSS/Gnu/Linux anything, that should be left
    to your beloved COLA.

    --
    David

  12. Re: Absolute newbie



    "SINNER" wrote in message
    news:Xns9A4B9286852E7louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99. 130...
    > * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> "SINNER" wrote in message
    >> news:Xns9A4B77F8A313Flouiscypherhellorg@140.99.99. 130...
    >>> * dennis@home wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "ray" wrote in message
    >>>> news:623puhF21futeU2@mid.individual.net...
    >>>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:59 +0000, Ampers Taylor wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Can someone recommend a book on Linux?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> What I would like is a chatty type book that prepares people for
    >>>>>> the culture shock of moving away from Windows to Linux. Rather
    >>>>>> that going into everything in full detail.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What 'culture shock'?
    >>>>
    >>>> The only culture shock is the idiot zealots that hang around waiting
    >>>> for the unwary user to ask a question.
    >>>> Ignore them and it will be fine.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You do realize how ironic your zealot accusations are, right?
    >>>
    >>> I mean, what exactly are you doing here? You dont answer questions
    >>> regarding Linux, you dig at every response given to newbies/veterans
    >>> regarding an OS you seem to know very little about

    >>
    >> Balls I am here because I have posted requests for help.

    >
    > Looking back at the history and I see one, since then, exactly that,
    > balls.
    >
    >> . not that I
    >> have got a sensible answer (but thanks to the few that tried).
    >> I only dig at what are lies (like everything Peter says).
    >> And I know more about linux than you think I do.

    >
    > That maybe true but youve yet to display that, all youve done since then
    > is attack.


    What attack?
    I have not attacked linux once.
    I may have attacked the zealots and I will probably attack you if you
    continue the way you are but what do you expect when you talk cr@p and
    expect everyone to believe it.
    >
    >>
    >>> and are in here
    >>> claiming that MS Vista et al is better than Linux at everything.
    >>>

    >>
    >> More balls! not once have I claimed any such thing.. you should try
    >> reading my posts rather than listening to the lies and bull**** your
    >> compatriots posts.

    >
    > I read most of your posts, not sure why as I've yet to see any value in
    > them, but that is irrelevant. I am not listening to anyone, all one needs
    > to do is read, all your attackes are based on the fact that Linux
    > 'zealots' claim they have a better OS and then exclaim that 'Windows can
    > do that too, and better'


    Show me one post where I have said that.
    You can't you are like the other rabid idiots here and see what you want to
    see and not what is there!

    >
    >> It is you that is a zealot as is shown by the lies
    >> you are posting above.

    >
    > Perhaps you should look up the definition of zealot, not to mention
    > having a look at my posting headers.


    Who cares what your headers say?
    >
    >>
    >>> Seems the epidome of zealotry to me. Who do you think you are
    >>> helping/hurting?

    >>
    >> I am hurting nobody,

    >
    > You arent helping either and the purpose of this newsgroup is to provide
    > help when possible.


    At least I don't keep starting new threads full of cr@p.

    >
    >> who are you hurting when you aren't on your
    >> computer. It is people like you that start the damn threads that run
    >> and run with your irrational cr@p so sod off.

    >
    > Please post a msgid of said post or sod off yourself. You talk a lot of
    > crap but refuse to back said crap up, typical trolling behavior.


    You are the troll by the looks of things.
    >
    > --
    > David
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >


  13. Re: Absolute newbie

    Ampers Taylor writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >> Dan C writes:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:33:29 +0000, Derek Turner wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux)
    >>>>> Comment: Armoured with GnuPG
    >>>>>
    >>>>> iD8DBQFHvEvRagVFX4UWr64RAsDJAJ4vlhfBoGMRzvF4BHqwj2 hMPYzSoQCggtsQ
    >>>>> pYHcr8sgIc2dh0VND1tMEuA=
    >>>>> =9FAk
    >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>>
    >>>> Fix your sig.
    >>> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some meaningful use
    >>> on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like with their signature
    >>> blocks, including the non-standard delimiter characters.

    >>
    >> Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is meaningless
    >> to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over to.

    >
    > Although I agree with you in principle in newsgroups, your comment is
    > not entirely right.


    I said "here". Meaning usenet.
    >
    > I use PGP signed email when I email people in politics (I dabble) and
    > the objective isn't for the other person to check my signature.
    >
    > It is so that, if someone doctors my email message, I can prove
    > conclusively that this has been done.


    We are not discussing email. We are discussing publicly accessible
    usenet groups. And signing posts is ridiculous IMO.

    >
    > Ampers
    >


    --
    Murphy was an optimist.

  14. Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron wrote:
    > Ampers Taylor writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>> Dan C writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:33:29 +0000, Derek Turner wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux)
    >>>>>> Comment: Armoured with GnuPG
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> iD8DBQFHvEvRagVFX4UWr64RAsDJAJ4vlhfBoGMRzvF4BHqwj2 hMPYzSoQCggtsQ
    >>>>>> pYHcr8sgIc2dh0VND1tMEuA=
    >>>>>> =9FAk
    >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
    >>>>
    >>>>> Fix your sig.
    >>>> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some meaningful use
    >>>> on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like with their signature
    >>>> blocks, including the non-standard delimiter characters.
    >>> Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is meaningless
    >>> to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over to.

    >> Although I agree with you in principle in newsgroups, your comment is
    >> not entirely right.

    >
    > I said "here". Meaning usenet.
    >> I use PGP signed email when I email people in politics (I dabble) and
    >> the objective isn't for the other person to check my signature.
    >>
    >> It is so that, if someone doctors my email message, I can prove
    >> conclusively that this has been done.

    >
    > We are not discussing email. We are discussing publicly accessible
    > usenet groups. And signing posts is ridiculous IMO.
    >
    >> Ampers
    >>

    >

    Ies, as I said, I totally agree with you. I was just explaining that one
    signs it for other reasons, in real life, other than to have the other
    person check it.

  15. Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron writes:
    > Dan C writes:
    >
    >> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some
    >> meaningful use on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like
    >> with their signature blocks, including the non-standard delimiter
    >> characters.

    >
    > Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is
    > meaningless to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over
    > to.


    Your ignorance of how pgp works isn't surprising.

    If pgp relied on everyone who uses it 'personally' handing over their
    public key then pgp would be a real pain in the butt and all but
    useless. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to find out how public
    key handling works in the real world.

    People who do sign their messages can prove that they did indeed send
    that message and that it cannot be tampered with without detection.

    What makes it futile in my opinion is that a clever forger can make
    posts appearing to be from the pgp poster but omit any pgp signature.
    Depending on how well the forger can fake headers could make it seem
    that the person who is being forged simply forgot to sign a message.

  16. Re: Absolute newbie

    mrloy@bambot.nodomain.none (Roy Culley) writes:

    > Hadron writes:
    >> Dan C writes:
    >>
    >>> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some
    >>> meaningful use on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like
    >>> with their signature blocks, including the non-standard delimiter
    >>> characters.

    >>
    >> Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is
    >> meaningless to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over
    >> to.

    >
    > Your ignorance of how pgp works isn't surprising.
    >
    > If pgp relied on everyone who uses it 'personally' handing over their
    > public key then pgp would be a real pain in the butt and all but
    > useless. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to find out how public
    > key handling works in the real world.
    >
    > People who do sign their messages can prove that they did indeed send
    > that message and that it cannot be tampered with without detection.
    >
    > What makes it futile in my opinion is that a clever forger can make
    > posts appearing to be from the pgp poster but omit any pgp signature.
    > Depending on how well the forger can fake headers could make it seem
    > that the person who is being forged simply forgot to sign a message.


    You, not surprisingly, miss the entire point. No one is interested on
    Usenet. You are not posting secrets.

    Who in their right mind wants to "prove" whether Jim Richardson wrote
    "Hardon is a troll" or not?

    Face facts. People who sign their usenet posts are just flagging
    themselves as "l33t". Tehre could be twnety Jim Richardsons posting at
    the same time with different signatures and no one will bother checking
    which is true or not. And without meeting him personally and getting his
    key then ANY "proof" is not valid.

  17. [Hadron the Troll] Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron writes:
    >
    > try here:
    >
    > http://schestowitz.com/
    >
    > It's written by a campaigner for OSS.


    And here I thought you said you didn't troll in this newsgroup. Anyone
    who doubted your motive for posting here has now had that cleared up.

    I almost feel pity for you Hadron 'I never^H^H^H^H^H^Hworked at CERN /
    IBM' Quark. Almost but not quite.

  18. Re: [Hadron the Troll] Re: Absolute newbie

    mrloy@bambot.nodomain.none (Roy Culley) writes:

    > Hadron writes:
    >>
    >> try here:
    >>
    >> http://schestowitz.com/
    >>
    >> It's written by a campaigner for OSS.

    >
    > And here I thought you said you didn't troll in this newsgroup. Anyone
    > who doubted your motive for posting here has now had that cleared up.
    >
    > I almost feel pity for you Hadron 'I never^H^H^H^H^H^Hworked at CERN /
    > IBM' Quark. Almost but not quite.


    Are you saying that Roy is NOT a campaigner for OSS?

    Whoops Lapdog, you did it again!

  19. Re: [Hadron the Troll] Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron wrote:

    > mrloy@bambot.nodomain.none (Roy Culley) writes:
    >
    >> Hadron writes:
    >>>
    >>> try here:
    >>>
    >>> http://schestowitz.com/
    >>>
    >>> It's written by a campaigner for OSS.

    >>
    >> And here I thought you said you didn't troll in this newsgroup. Anyone
    >> who doubted your motive for posting here has now had that cleared up.
    >>
    >> I almost feel pity for you Hadron 'I never^H^H^H^H^H^Hworked at CERN /
    >> IBM' Quark. Almost but not quite.

    >
    > Are you saying that Roy is NOT a campaigner for OSS?
    >
    > Whoops Lapdog, you did it again!


    No, he is saying Roy does not post here.

    You constantly drag COLA posters names into the ubuntu group. People who
    have never even posted a single post here, except by crosspost maybe

    The only thing you are proving is that you are a dishonest asshole
    --
    Windows: Because everyone needs a good laugh!


  20. Re: Absolute newbie

    Hadron writes:
    > mrloy@bambot.nodomain.none (Roy Culley) writes:
    >
    >> Hadron writes:
    >>> Dan C writes:
    >>>
    >>>> He's one of the goobs that thinks a PGP signature has some
    >>>> meaningful use on Usenet, and they get to do whatever they like
    >>>> with their signature blocks, including the non-standard delimiter
    >>>> characters.
    >>>
    >>> Awful isn't it? They seem totally unaware that their sig is
    >>> meaningless to anyone here that he hasn't personally handed it over
    >>> to.

    >>
    >> Your ignorance of how pgp works isn't surprising.
    >>
    >> If pgp relied on everyone who uses it 'personally' handing over their
    >> public key then pgp would be a real pain in the butt and all but
    >> useless. I'll leave it as an exercise for you to find out how public
    >> key handling works in the real world.
    >>
    >> People who do sign their messages can prove that they did indeed send
    >> that message and that it cannot be tampered with without detection.
    >>
    >> What makes it futile in my opinion is that a clever forger can make
    >> posts appearing to be from the pgp poster but omit any pgp signature.
    >> Depending on how well the forger can fake headers could make it seem
    >> that the person who is being forged simply forgot to sign a message.

    >
    > You, not surprisingly, miss the entire point. No one is interested on
    > Usenet. You are not posting secrets.


    [snip]

    As usual you miss the point. I pointed out your ignorance of pgp. I
    agreed pgp signing usenet posts is futile. You still made a very
    ignorant remark about pgp. A remark that just makes you look the
    fool. As the saying goes:

    It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool than to open mouth
    and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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