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  1. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?



    "NoStop" wrote in message
    news:fokehp0gks@news3.newsguy.com...
    > Tim Smith wrote:
    >
    >> In article <9TKqj.2269$nG4.751@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>,
    >> toedipper wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Are they scared of us Linux users or what?

    >>
    >> Note that the Windows version has DRM. If that's a requirement for the
    >> other platforms, this might make sense. There are off-the-shelf DRM
    >> systems, licensable from Microsoft, for Windows, I believe.
    >>
    >> For Macs, Apple has a DRM system available, but I think it is just for
    >> their stuff. I don't think Apple licenses it. So, for the Mac, they'll
    >> have to get a third party system or develop their own.
    >>
    >> Same for Linux, except with the added issue of multiple distributions to
    >> deal with.
    >>

    > Multiple distributions would be the least of their worries if they insist
    > on
    > DRM. How would they work around GPL3?


    DRM is a requirement so don't expect iPlayer on linux any time soon unless
    someone changes the DRM position.
    Without DRM many/most of the programs would have to be removed as the BBC
    has limited distribution rights and the service may as well be wound up.


  2. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    dennis@home illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

    > <...>
    > Neither do people without computers or broadband so what was your point?
    > The BBC have made iPlayer freely available to most people with computers..
    > there must be a point at which they stop supporting smaller and smaller user
    > numbers. Maybe you should consider buying windows if you want iPlayer that
    > much?


    Or simply use the current iplayer website that streams flash content
    perfectly to linux.

    If that's not enough, wait until the Beeb follow up on their promise
    of a linux version for local playback on linux boxes. It is in
    development and shouldn't take too long too appear.
    However, it will still apprently incorporate some from of DRM as in the
    windows version that is produced by Kontiki.

    --
    Moog

    "If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
    mashed potatoes"

  3. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?



    "Moog" wrote in message
    news:6182rpF1ueg7mU1@mid.individual.net...
    > dennis@home illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >
    >> <...>
    >> Neither do people without computers or broadband so what was your point?
    >> The BBC have made iPlayer freely available to most people with
    >> computers..
    >> there must be a point at which they stop supporting smaller and smaller
    >> user
    >> numbers. Maybe you should consider buying windows if you want iPlayer
    >> that
    >> much?

    >
    > Or simply use the current iplayer website that streams flash content
    > perfectly to linux.


    The quality is on the low side though.
    I only get about 1M6 b/s streaming at best.

    >
    > If that's not enough, wait until the Beeb follow up on their promise
    > of a linux version for local playback on linux boxes. It is in
    > development and shouldn't take too long too appear.
    > However, it will still apprently incorporate some from of DRM as in the
    > windows version that is produced by Kontiki.


    Well that won't last long before someone hacks it and the BBC withdraw the
    linux service.
    Its just too easy to hijack the system calls and save the data IMO.


  4. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Moog writes:

    > dennis@home illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >
    >> <...>
    >> Neither do people without computers or broadband so what was your point?
    >> The BBC have made iPlayer freely available to most people with computers..
    >> there must be a point at which they stop supporting smaller and smaller user
    >> numbers. Maybe you should consider buying windows if you want iPlayer that
    >> much?

    >
    > Or simply use the current iplayer website that streams flash content
    > perfectly to linux.
    >
    > If that's not enough, wait until the Beeb follow up on their promise
    > of a linux version for local playback on linux boxes. It is in
    > development and shouldn't take too long too appear.
    > However, it will still apprently incorporate some from of DRM as in the
    > windows version that is produced by Kontiki.


    As you know, I have no time for whiners going on about "blame the
    manufacturer". Linux has too small a home presence for most HW guys to
    acre about - and that is their business IMO. BUT in this case I am
    disgusted by the BBC's short sightedness. They could have done this
    right from day one using Open Standards and everything would "just work"
    on all platforms.

    I am dying to see just how many Linux users access it in the end. I
    suspect a far smaller percentage than many think (but I'll be in that
    %). I still see no real presence in the desktop/home arena I am afraid.

  5. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Josef Moellers writes:

    > Ed Edelenbos wrote:
    >
    >> What I have problems getting is the idea that Linux users are owed
    >> anything by anyone. That is what I seem to continually hear.

    >
    > No, it's not "Linux users" that are owed anything but, in this case,
    > citizens of the UK who pay for Aunty Beeb by means of their tax
    > pounds.
    > It should not matter which skin-colour, religion, or sex they have or
    > which OS they choose to have on their PCs.


    That is clearly ridiculous. If I pay a license and try to watch BBC on
    my frying pan, should the BBC pay to have it converted into a TV?

    But as I said before, the BBC SHOULD have done their homework better and
    supported Linux/Open Standards from day one.

    There is NO WAY to protect the information. If you can see it on your
    screen then you can copy it.

  6. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Fred Williams writes:

    > On Thursday 07 February 2008 16:53, John Bean wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:38:13 GMT, toedipper
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Are they scared of us Linux users or what?

    >>
    >> What.
    >>
    >> Or "supply and demand" if you like.
    >>
    >> Why on earth would you think the BBC is "scared" of Linux
    >> users?
    >>

    > They're not scared, they're greedy.


    How on earth does making a "for free" player to show their programs "for
    free" to non license paying scroungers in addition to valid license
    holders make them "greedy"? Are you insane?

    --
    La semplicita' e' il mio mantello di tenebra, e forse camminare mi fara' bene.
    -- Roger Zelazny, 24 vedute del monte Fuji, di Hokusai

  7. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:10:37 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > Josef Moellers writes:
    >
    >> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
    >>
    >>> What I have problems getting is the idea that Linux users are owed
    >>> anything by anyone. That is what I seem to continually hear.

    >>
    >> No, it's not "Linux users" that are owed anything but, in this case,
    >> citizens of the UK who pay for Aunty Beeb by means of their tax pounds.
    >> It should not matter which skin-colour, religion, or sex they have or
    >> which OS they choose to have on their PCs.

    >
    > That is clearly ridiculous. If I pay a license and try to watch BBC on
    > my frying pan, should the BBC pay to have it converted into a TV?


    Given the sheer size of the licence fee, that wouldn't be an unreasonable
    expectation :-)

    > But as I said before, the BBC SHOULD have done their homework better and
    > supported Linux/Open Standards from day one.


    Yes. Agreed. Absolutely.

    > There is NO WAY to protect the information. If you can see it on your
    > screen then you can copy it.


    Yes. Agreed. Absolutely.

    Dammit Hadron, stop forcing me to AGREE with you!!!!!

  8. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:10:37 +0100, Hadron wrote:

    > That is clearly ridiculous. If I pay a license and try to watch BBC on
    > my frying pan, should the BBC pay to have it converted into a TV?


    If they were supporting other makes of frying pans then yes.

    --
    Some say that Pamela Anderson wouldn't be anybody without her tits.
    That's simply not true, she'd be Paris Hilton
    - Sarah Silverman


  9. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?



    "William Poaster" wrote in message
    news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...


    Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!


  10. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Hadron illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > Moog writes:
    >
    >> dennis@home illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >>
    >>> <...>
    >>> Neither do people without computers or broadband so what was your point?
    >>> The BBC have made iPlayer freely available to most people with computers..
    >>> there must be a point at which they stop supporting smaller and smaller user
    >>> numbers. Maybe you should consider buying windows if you want iPlayer that
    >>> much?

    >>
    >> Or simply use the current iplayer website that streams flash content
    >> perfectly to linux.
    >>
    >> If that's not enough, wait until the Beeb follow up on their promise
    >> of a linux version for local playback on linux boxes. It is in
    >> development and shouldn't take too long too appear.
    >> However, it will still apprently incorporate some from of DRM as in the
    >> windows version that is produced by Kontiki.

    >
    > As you know, I have no time for whiners going on about "blame the
    > manufacturer". Linux has too small a home presence for most HW guys to
    > acre about - and that is their business IMO. BUT in this case I am
    > disgusted by the BBC's short sightedness. They could have done this
    > right from day one using Open Standards and everything would "just work"
    > on all platforms.


    But you miss the point Hadron. They didn't actually do anything. They
    asked a third party software developer to modify their already
    available product to deliver DRM protected content. Unfortunately,
    this was "windows only". It was a quick and easy solution though.

    They have now committed to producing a linux version. Whether that
    turns up or not, I don't know. My crsytal ball is in for a service.
    But, when a public funded corporation *say* they are going to do
    something, then they will almost certainly have to deliver on their
    promise.

    > I am dying to see just how many Linux users access it in the end. I
    > suspect a far smaller percentage than many think (but I'll be in that
    > %). I still see no real presence in the desktop/home arena I am afraid.


    I think most UK linux users would access the Beeb's content from their
    boxes (fffnnaarr) should and when it occurs. I would. I know Trevor
    would. And I would be very surprised if you wouldn't.

    --
    Moog

    "If this is gonna be that kinda party I'm gonna stick my dick in the
    mashed potatoes"

  11. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    "dennis@home" writes:

    > "William Poaster" wrote in message
    > news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >
    >
    > Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >


    Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    their killfiles. Morons to a man.

  12. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Moog writes:

    > Hadron illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >> Moog writes:
    >>
    >>> dennis@home illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >>>
    >>>> <...>
    >>>> Neither do people without computers or broadband so what was your point?
    >>>> The BBC have made iPlayer freely available to most people with computers..
    >>>> there must be a point at which they stop supporting smaller and smaller user
    >>>> numbers. Maybe you should consider buying windows if you want iPlayer that
    >>>> much?
    >>>
    >>> Or simply use the current iplayer website that streams flash content
    >>> perfectly to linux.
    >>>
    >>> If that's not enough, wait until the Beeb follow up on their promise
    >>> of a linux version for local playback on linux boxes. It is in
    >>> development and shouldn't take too long too appear.
    >>> However, it will still apprently incorporate some from of DRM as in the
    >>> windows version that is produced by Kontiki.

    >>
    >> As you know, I have no time for whiners going on about "blame the
    >> manufacturer". Linux has too small a home presence for most HW guys to
    >> acre about - and that is their business IMO. BUT in this case I am
    >> disgusted by the BBC's short sightedness. They could have done this
    >> right from day one using Open Standards and everything would "just work"
    >> on all platforms.

    >
    > But you miss the point Hadron. They didn't actually do anything. They


    I didn't actually Moog. I agree with you guys. I said they SHOULD have
    gone about it a different way.

    > asked a third party software developer to modify their already
    > available product to deliver DRM protected content. Unfortunately,
    > this was "windows only". It was a quick and easy solution though.


    And was a silly approach. Having said that, it provides a cheap and
    reads access for the great, great majority and we shouldn't necessarily
    knock that.

    >
    > They have now committed to producing a linux version. Whether that
    > turns up or not, I don't know. My crsytal ball is in for a service.
    > But, when a public funded corporation *say* they are going to do
    > something, then they will almost certainly have to deliver on their
    > promise.
    >
    >> I am dying to see just how many Linux users access it in the end. I
    >> suspect a far smaller percentage than many think (but I'll be in that
    >> %). I still see no real presence in the desktop/home arena I am afraid.

    >
    > I think most UK linux users would access the Beeb's content from their
    > boxes (fffnnaarr) should and when it occurs. I would. I know Trevor
    > would. And I would be very surprised if you wouldn't.


    You know the numbers already Moog and it aint good. The COLA morons have
    been claiming up to 70% of desktop PCs are Linux..... The mind boggles.

  13. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    dennis@home wrote:

    >
    >
    > "William Poaster" wrote in message
    > news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >
    >
    > Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!


    I see that you've been studying Frankie Boy's great debating skills. You
    should be proud of yourself.

    Cheers.

    --
    The world can't afford the rich.

  14. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Hadron wrote:

    > "dennis@home" writes:
    >
    >> "William Poaster" wrote in message
    >> news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>
    >>
    >> Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >>

    >
    > Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    > people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    > their killfiles. Morons to a man.


    And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.

    Cheers.

    --
    The world can't afford the rich.

  15. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    NoStop wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> "dennis@home" writes:
    >>
    >>> "William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>> news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >>>

    >>
    >> Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    >> people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    >> their killfiles. Morons to a man.

    >
    > And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    > Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    > indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.
    >
    > Cheers.
    >


    "MD5 specialist" dennis is one of his wintroll comrades. A natural ally, to
    be defended at all costs
    Even if dennis is, just as "Frank", simply an oxygen thief
    --
    Tact, n.:
    The unsaid part of what you're thinking.


  16. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    NoStop wrote:
    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >
    >>"dennis@home" writes:
    >>
    >>
    >>>"William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>>news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >>>

    >>
    >>Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    >>people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    >>their killfiles. Morons to a man.

    >
    >
    > And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    > Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    > indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.
    >
    > Cheers.
    >


    Debate? You're delusional. There is no debate about linux...it's a POS
    useless toy os.
    Everyone with a clue knows it.
    Frank

  17. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    NoStop wrote:

    > dennis@home wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >>"William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>
    >>
    >>Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!

    >
    >
    > I see that you've been studying Frankie Boy's great debating skills. You
    > should be proud of yourself.
    >
    > Cheers.
    >


    Debate...correct spelling...proper English grammar usage...are all just
    simply diversionary tactics you linturds try to use to avoid the truth
    when confronted with the awful truth about linux and the real truth
    about Vista.
    Guess what...it's not working...you all know it isn't and so does
    everyone else.
    Try something different...like dealing with the truth for once.
    Frank

  18. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    NoStop writes:

    > Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> "dennis@home" writes:
    >>
    >>> "William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>> news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >>>

    >>
    >> Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    >> people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    >> their killfiles. Morons to a man.

    >
    > And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    > Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    > indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.
    >
    > Cheers.


    Here we go again I do NOT support Frank. I have not supported him. In
    fact I have him killfiled. I am not supporting dennis necessarily. I am,
    however agreeing with him on the contribution of William Poaster. I
    would be surprised if you didn't too. 1+1 is not == to 3 unless you're
    Peter Koehlmann and teaching people arithmetic.

    --
    Because I don't need to worry about finances I can ignore Microsoft
    and take over the (computing) world from the grassroots.
    -- Linus Torvalds

  19. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    Hadron wrote:

    > NoStop writes:
    >
    >> Hadron wrote:
    >>
    >>> "dennis@home" writes:
    >>>
    >>>> "William Poaster" wrote in message
    >>>> news:fdu585-mk3.ln1@leafnode.archimedes.eu...
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Nothing of any use to anyone.. again!!!!
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Willy, Harold, Peter etc are a waste of natural resources. I warned
    >>> people. All they do is berate people, call people liars and show off
    >>> their killfiles. Morons to a man.

    >>
    >> And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    >> Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    >> indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.
    >>
    >> Cheers.

    >
    > Here we go again I do NOT support Frank. I have not supported him. In
    > fact I have him killfiled. I am not supporting dennis necessarily. I am,
    > however agreeing with him on the contribution of William Poaster. I
    > would be surprised if you didn't too. 1+1 is not == to 3 unless you're
    > Peter Koehlmann and teaching people arithmetic.
    >


    When you are writing directly a response to idiots like "dennis" you either
    agree with him, disagree with him, support him by disagreeing with
    opponents of him etc etc etc

    Well, you directly agreed with him. You supported his lunacy.

    You can now waffle around all you want, you can't deny that very simple
    fact. You claim you agreed with him on "William Poaster". While at the same
    time pulling peoples names into the thread who have not even contributed a
    *single* post to it. People who disagreed with "MD5" dennis and/or *you* at
    some time. But not /yet/ in this thread

    That is your typical mode of operation again, Hadron Josip Stalin Quark. You
    are actually nearly as dishonest a swine as "Snot" Michael Glasser from
    CSMA
    --
    Howe's Law: Everyone has a scheme that will not work.


  20. Re: BBC iplayer for Macs in 2008, what about us?

    NoStop wrote:

    > Hadron wrote:




    > And you're now supporting someone with the debating "skills" of Frank?
    > Careful we don't start thinking your one of his clueless buddies. That is
    > indeed a bad reputation to get on Usenet.


    The only people berated & called liars, are the trolls which *includes* Hadron
    Quark. He's been exposed as a fraud, & it appears quite a few people in this
    group now know what he is too.

    --
    Free-BSD 7.0, PC-BSD 1.4
    Linux systems: PCLOS 2007, Mandrake One 2008,
    Fedora 8, Kubuntu 7.10.
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