George Graves wrote:

> Now, there's a real bit of wishful thinking on your part. Most people who
> buy Macs LOVE them and think that the slight premium that they MIGHT pay
> for the privilege of having a Mac is well worth it.

It's /not/ a privilege, it's a burden. You're encumbered by limited,
proprietary hardware, restrictive Apple company policies, a /very/ small
range of available software, and outrageous prices!

> And we advocates extol
> the virtues and shortcomings of Apple and the Mac because we care about
> the platform.

So you "extol the shortcomings" of the Mac, do you? A /real/ advocate,
then!

> It's only those people who are jealous of Apple or who are
> fanatical about another platform who try to convince themselves to think
> as you do.

Apple has /nothing/ to be jealous of any more.

Historically, when they used Motorola processors, demanded RAM as fast as
the processors to prevent hardware bottlenecks, when the hardware was
properly designed, then there /was/ something to be slightly jealous of.
Macs used to perform /much/ faster than the PCs of the time, even using
slower processors. This is no longer true.

Apple just produce over-priced, over-hyped rubbish these days. They've lost
their technological advantage and now have to play catch-up to the latest
Linux desktops.

FYI, on my last visit to Cupertino, there were /many/ kde desktops in
evidence...

C.

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:36:43 +0000, Christopher Hunter wrote:

>> USB Web-Camera.. same thing..
>
> Nobody I'm aware of has ever had any problem of that sort.

To be entirely fair, this is the only place where I still have problems.
The Logitech USB Webcam for Notebooks Pro is not well supported, and I
have never gotten it working on any distro. I am holding out hope for
Hardy... ;-)

Otherwise, I would agree with everything you said...



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In article ,
Peter Kohlmann wrote:

> Tim Smith wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > Christopher Hunter wrote:
> >> OSX is pretty, quite secure, but stuck with that which you're given by
> >> Apple. It's highly proprietary, and only works on proprietary hardware.
> >
> > Really? I can't install third party things on OS X?
>
> Sure you can. Most cost premium prices.
> And no, you can't install OSX on non-apple hardware

Where do you get that idea? Oh that's right, you're a clueless Linux
user.

You can install OS X on any machine you want, as long as the hardware is
supported. Just because Apple says you can't, doesn't mean that you
actually can't do it. Apple doesn't get to write laws. It's not
illegal, just not supported by Apple. But like Linux, there is plenty
of support on the net.

"Rick" stated in post 13o5nqtf2bl5f5f@news.supernews.com
on 1/7/08 7:26 PM:

> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:24:56 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> In article <13o5gaj23tajm15@news.supernews.com>, Rick
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:58:37 -0800, George Graves wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:55:11 -0800, Tommy Tickler wrote (in article
>>>> ):
>>>>
>>>>> O x f o r d wrote:
>>>>>> 7 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OSX is faster than Linux, that has been proven over and over. Linux
>>>>>> was a flash in the pan before Linus moved to OSX in the late 00's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are also a damn side larger number of decent apps that have
>>>>> professional polish for OS X compared to Linux. It is all well and
>>>>> good to run an OS, but that OS also needs quality apps to run on it.
>>>>> Linux might have a gazillion apps, but that significant majority are
>>>>> amateur hour by comparison to the apps designed to run on OS X
>>>>
>>>> That's true. Funny thing though, out of the box, a Mac can run just
>>>> about anything that Linux can run (as long as you install X11 too).
>>>
>>> ... as long as you install X11 too is not the same as out of the box.
>>
>> Uh, with Leopard, the default install is with X11...
>
> So, X11 is installed on all new Macs now?

Yes.


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