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  1. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:28:27 -0400
    CBFalconer wrote:

    > Here's what your post looks like here. I stripped only the
    > quotes. Doesn't take a major effort to strip sigs etc.
    >


    Are you going to do that on all of your posts now? Or just the one lazy
    arsed attempt to make a point?

    Just get a new news server you ol' buffer.

    --
    Pretentious? Moi?

  2. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    Moe Trin illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

    > <...>
    > I can agree - but if BT doesn't SWIP the leased-out space, they get
    > blamed for whatever happens in it. Most of the problems I've had are
    > with their abuse desk (and the lack of results), but I've also had
    > problems with their DNS setups.


    Indeed. That's BT for you and exactly why people are leabving their
    service in droves.

    >>Crikey. 7TB. I presume this includes binaries too.

    >
    > Perhaps some, but not the alt.binary.pr0n.* (which would get people
    > fired here absolutely INSTANTLY), or games, videos, or music (the
    > last two would likely cause excrement storms as well). No, some of
    > the security groups are set to 'never expires', and that does add
    > up fairly quickly.


    Blimey. No pr0n? That's a little harsh.

    > <....>
    >>http://news.aioe.org/spip.php?article3

    >
    > The only thing I see that violates RFCs is the 2k header limitation
    > (and I have NO problem with that) and the body line length of 160
    > characters (again, for the most part this is no problem). The
    > Content-Type restriction is a so-so, but I agree with their wanting
    > the GPG/PGP key included in the body.


    It's not really the violation of policy, it's the "you can only post
    25 messages and only so mnay lines". This is basic usenet access and
    is emergency only stuff.

    > <....>
    >
    >
    > Well, it looks as if you've got motorway most of the trip, what, 270
    > miles or so round-trip? 70 MPH on the M62, 60 elsewhere outside of
    > town?


    Set off at 8:30am. Got back at 8:30pm. Too tired for the pub.

    > Could be worse I suppose. It _is_ longer than I like to drive,
    > but sometimes you have no choice. (Company policy now - 4 people, half
    > day trip, or two people full day trip, eight for a quarter and so on,
    > we go by air, commercial if possible, air-taxi for the relatively short
    > trips. Nearly all of the places we'd need to go to are convenient to a
    > suitable airport. We also have very frequent need to get to another
    > facility in this state that is about 185 miles by road, but only 130 by
    > air, and no commercial air service - so that's an ideal candidate for
    > air-taxi.)


    The problem with air travel, here in the UK, is that the connections
    to where you want to go are limited. You are left with one choice.
    Taxi. This can be costlier than the flight itself.

    > <....>
    > I don't have to worry about the marketeers, but the rest of the
    > _company_ doesn't use windoze. You have no idea how nice that can
    > be. Even my wife's company has gotten rid of a lot of their windoze
    > systems - retaining a few of them only in marketing/sales and a
    > limited number of systems in accounting (because the external idiots
    > they deal with still demand windoze compatibility).


    I've got a problem with Linux usage in our business. We have a "paid
    for" accounting package, that while it sucks, is rather "industry
    standard". Until I can find a solution (and I'm trying) we are stuck
    with MS offerings.

    >>> No, but talking to your news peer to filter off GG might help.

    >>
    >>Indeed. I doubt Individual would do that though. It seems to be
    >>against their policy.

    >
    > They aren't a direct peer to google, are they?


    Not that I'm aware of, no.

    > From here, I can see
    > google seems to be peering with giganews, and I suspect they are also
    > peering with other major US news providers. I am starting to copy
    > abuse.giganews.com when I bitch at google - maybe that can help.


    That's interesting. GG doesn't actually bother *me* as much as others
    though, so I'm prepared to let it go and see how it develops (as it's
    sure to). The more people like yourself though, the more likely GG
    will change for the better.

    --
    Moog

    "Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
    leather straps."

  3. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

    > <....>
    > Here's what your post looks like here. I stripped only the
    > quotes. Doesn't take a major effort to strip sigs etc.
    >
    > --
    > Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    > Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    >


    And here's what a reply to your double siggred post looks like.

    Once again, sort it out. You know how to do it. You're just too lazy
    to. I now refuse to snip your incorrect second sig. I have better
    things to do with my time.

    --
    Moog

    "Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
    leather straps."

  4. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On 16 Sep 2007 10:37:26 GMT
    Moog wrote:

    > CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >
    > > <....>
    > > Here's what your post looks like here. I stripped only the
    > > quotes. Doesn't take a major effort to strip sigs etc.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    > > Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    > >

    >
    > And here's what a reply to your double siggred post looks like.
    >
    > Once again, sort it out. You know how to do it. You're just too lazy
    > to. I now refuse to snip your incorrect second sig. I have better
    > things to do with my time.


    He's still running Windows 98, his Cadillac is probably 20 years older
    than that, how soon do you think he will change? :-)

    --
    Pretentious? Moi?

  5. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    jellybean stonerfish wrote:
    > On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:
    >
    >> and the failure to realize that my messages leave here with
    >> exactly one sig. I have no control over what the news-server
    >> decides to add to it. I suspect you are also aware of this, and
    >> simply want to rabble-rouse. If not, consider yourself advised.

    >
    > You must like arguing about your sig. If you put the information
    > in your sig into the body, you could critique everybody else's
    > little mistakes, and not look like a hypocrite. It doesn't


    No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only
    effect of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig
    beyond normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion
    anyhow. Newsreaders that remove sigs from the display are faulty,
    and those that remove only the data after a final sig mark from
    replies are also faulty.

    --
    Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.




    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


  6. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:

    >>> The only problem I see is that your lines are slightly overlength.
    >>> Limiting to 72 chars (but 67 is better) is helpful.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    >>> Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Oh lordy. Mr Double Sig is back giving usenet advice.
    >>
    >> Put your own house in order first, dude.

    >
    > My opinion of your intelligence is dropping precipitously. I have
    > left everything you quoted. Notice the inclusion of immaterial
    > lines, the inclusion of signatures, and the failure to realize that
    > my messages leave here with exactly one sig. I have no control
    > over what the news-server decides to add to it. I suspect you are
    > also aware of this, and simply want to rabble-rouse. If not,
    > consider yourself advised.


    You do have control over the end-result, which is the only thing that
    counts. You can switch to a different server, or delete your signature.
    The way you're posting now...

    > --
    > Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    > Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    >


    ....you're just advertising incompetence.

    --
    Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com


  7. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > jellybean stonerfish wrote:
    >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:
    >>
    >>> and the failure to realize that my messages leave here with
    >>> exactly one sig. I have no control over what the news-server
    >>> decides to add to it. I suspect you are also aware of this, and
    >>> simply want to rabble-rouse. If not, consider yourself advised.

    >>
    >> You must like arguing about your sig. If you put the information
    >> in your sig into the body, you could critique everybody else's
    >> little mistakes, and not look like a hypocrite. It doesn't

    >
    > No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    > bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only
    > effect of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig
    > beyond normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion
    > anyhow. Newsreaders that remove sigs from the display are faulty,
    > and those that remove only the data after a final sig mark from
    > replies are also faulty.
    >
    > --
    > Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    > Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    >


    Nope. It doesn't "effectively lengthen". It posts a secondary sig. This is not
    stripped in numerous newsreaders.

    It is *you* that is making the error. It is *you* that has full
    control of the final outcome. It is *you* that needs to sort it out,
    one way or another.

    --
    Moog

    "Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
    leather straps."

  8. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    Trevor Best illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    > On 16 Sep 2007 10:37:26 GMT
    > Moog wrote:
    >
    >> CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >>
    >> > <....>
    >> > Here's what your post looks like here. I stripped only the
    >> > quotes. Doesn't take a major effort to strip sigs etc.
    >> >
    >> > --
    >> > Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
    >> > Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems.
    >> >

    >>
    >> And here's what a reply to your double siggred post looks like.
    >>
    >> Once again, sort it out. You know how to do it. You're just too lazy
    >> to. I now refuse to snip your incorrect second sig. I have better
    >> things to do with my time.

    >
    > He's still running Windows 98, his Cadillac is probably 20 years older
    > than that, how soon do you think he will change? :-)


    Correct. But if he wants to be seen as an arse, then that's down to
    him.

    --
    Moog

    "Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
    leather straps."

  9. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    * CBFalconer wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:
    > jellybean stonerfish wrote:
    >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:


    >>> and the failure to realize that my messages leave here with exactly
    >>> one sig. I have no control over what the news-server decides to add
    >>> to it. I suspect you are also aware of this, and simply want to
    >>> rabble-rouse. If not, consider yourself advised.


    >> You must like arguing about your sig. If you put the information in
    >> your sig into the body, you could critique everybody else's little
    >> mistakes, and not look like a hypocrite. It doesn't


    > No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    > bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only effect
    > of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig beyond
    > normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion anyhow.
    > Newsreaders that remove sigs from the display are faulty, and those
    > that remove only the data after a final sig mark from replies are also
    > faulty.


    Incorrect, read the RFC. If it didnt only remove the *last* one then
    content in the post would be inadvertanly removed in a quote simply
    because the client sees a [dashdashspaceCR/LF] which would be a major
    PITA if that content needed to be quoted for some reason.

    Using your logic, I could not do somthing like:

    --
    example code
    more code
    even more code
    --

    And expect it to be quoted in a reply.

    [...]
    --
    David
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/

    "In the long run, every program becomes rococo, and then rubble."
    -- Alan Perlis

  10. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    Moog writes:

    > CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >> jellybean stonerfish wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> and the failure to realize that my messages leave here with
    >>>> exactly one sig. I have no control over what the news-server
    >>>> decides to add to it. I suspect you are also aware of this, and
    >>>> simply want to rabble-rouse. If not, consider yourself advised.
    >>>
    >>> You must like arguing about your sig. If you put the information
    >>> in your sig into the body, you could critique everybody else's
    >>> little mistakes, and not look like a hypocrite. It doesn't

    >>
    >> No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    >> bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only
    >> effect of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig
    >> beyond normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion


    How dense are you?? Really?

    You have been told 10000000000000 times that it screws up the signature
    trimming on certain news readers too.

    Do you really not understand that?????????????????????? You must, surely
    understand what is being told to you here?!

  11. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    Hadron wrote:

    > Moog writes:
    >
    >> CBFalconer illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:
    >>> jellybean stonerfish wrote:
    >>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:38:38 -0400, CBFalconer wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> and the failure to realize that my messages leave here with
    >>>>> exactly one sig. I have no control over what the news-server
    >>>>> decides to add to it. I suspect you are also aware of this, and
    >>>>> simply want to rabble-rouse. If not, consider yourself advised.
    >>>>
    >>>> You must like arguing about your sig. If you put the information
    >>>> in your sig into the body, you could critique everybody else's
    >>>> little mistakes, and not look like a hypocrite. It doesn't
    >>>
    >>> No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    >>> bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only
    >>> effect of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig
    >>> beyond normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion

    >
    > How dense are you?? Really?
    >
    > You have been told 10000000000000 times that it screws up the signature
    > trimming on certain news readers too.


    Good that you never use any hyperbole, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven"
    Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary

    Also care to mention what newsreaders are affected? After all, you claim
    that it screws the signature trimming on certain news readers

    Which ones, Hadron?

    > Do you really not understand that?????????????????????? You must, surely
    > understand what is being told to you here?!


    Gods, you try more and more to use your asshole tone here too you utilize
    exclusivly in COLA. There people are used to being treated by you asshole
    in your cretinous ways
    --
    Linux is for people who want to know why it works.
    Mac is for people who don't want to know why it works.
    DOS is for people who want to know why it does not work.
    Windows is for people who don't want to know why it does not work.


  12. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:59:54 +0000, SINNER wrote:

    >> No, since putting it into the body would be off-topic material, and
    >> bring forth loud (and justified) criticism. Meanwhile the only effect
    >> of the Teranews addition is to effectively lengthen the sig beyond
    >> normal levels. The length 'limitation' is just a suggestion anyhow.
    >> Newsreaders that remove sigs from the display are faulty, and those
    >> that remove only the data after a final sig mark from replies are also
    >> faulty.

    >
    > Incorrect, read the RFC. If it didnt only remove the *last* one then
    > content in the post would be inadvertanly removed in a quote simply
    > because the client sees a [dashdashspaceCR/LF] which would be a major
    > PITA if that content needed to be quoted for some reason.


    Like abuse-reports, for example, which require a full copy of headers and
    body.

    --
    Regards, Robert http://www.arumes.com


  13. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    * Peter Köhlmann wrote in alt.os.linux.ubuntu:

    [...]

    > Also care to mention what newsreaders are affected? After all, you claim
    > that it screws the signature trimming on certain news readers


    > Which ones, Hadron?


    slrn for one.

    --
    David
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org/

    People who are funny and smart and return phone calls get much better
    press than people who are just funny and smart.
    -- Howard Simons, "The Washington Post"

  14. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On 16 Sep 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.ubuntu, in article
    <5l4f79F697bhU1@mid.individual.net>, Moog wrote:

    >Moe Trin illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:


    >> Perhaps some, but not the alt.binary.pr0n.* (which would get
    >> people fired here absolutely INSTANTLY), or games, videos, or music
    >> (the last two would likely cause excrement storms as well).


    >Blimey. No pr0n? That's a little harsh.


    The legal climate here won't allow it.

    >It's not really the violation of policy, it's the "you can only post
    >25 messages and only so mnay lines". This is basic usenet access and
    >is emergency only stuff.


    I can't recall the last time I posted more than 15 messages. As for
    size, yeah - I'm rather wordy, and tend to have longer responses.
    Example - the articles in the 'Backup Scripts' thread.

    >Set off at 8:30am. Got back at 8:30pm. Too tired for the pub.


    I'd agree with that.

    >The problem with air travel, here in the UK, is that the connections
    >to where you want to go are limited. You are left with one choice.
    >Taxi. This can be costlier than the flight itself.


    It's not for everyone, even here. Many of our facilities are located
    relatively close to suitable airports, but there are also a few that
    the connection from the airport to the facility takes longer than the
    flight.

    >I've got a problem with Linux usage in our business. We have a "paid
    >for" accounting package, that while it sucks, is rather "industry
    >standard". Until I can find a solution (and I'm trying) we are stuck
    >with MS offerings.


    That remains a problem with my wife's company, as they don't have the
    programmers to do what is needed. I know our tax department had a lot
    of problems satisfying the various agencies.

    Old guy

  15. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.ubuntu, in article
    , Robert Spanjaard wrote:

    >Moe Trin wrote:


    >> What mean "posting line length limit"? RFC0822 sets that to 1024

    >
    >I don't know the contents of 822, but that RFC is obsolete. RFC 2822
    >states a line length limit of 998 characters, excluding CR/LF.


    [compton ~]$ zgrep -A3 ^0822 rfcs/rfc-index.txt.08.25.07.gz
    0822 STANDARD FOR THE FORMAT OF ARPA INTERNET TEXT MESSAGES. D.
    Crocker. August 1982. (Format: TXT=106299 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC0733)
    (Obsoleted by RFC2822) (Updated by RFC1123, RFC2156, RFC1327,
    RFC1138, RFC1148) (Also STD0011) (Status: STANDARD)
    [compton ~]$

    While it is 'Obsoleted by RFC2822', it remains 'Status: STANDARD'.
    Part of this is due to the fact that RFC1036 has _still_ to be revised
    (although attempts have been going on for decades). Last I checked
    (end of last month), we had draft-ietf-usefor-usefor-12.txt which is
    meant to be the eventual replacement for RFC1036 dated Jan. 8, 2007
    and expired in July, and draft-ietf-usefor-usepro-08.txt dated Jul. 1,
    and expiring next January being the replacement for RFC0977, though it
    is marked as also replacing RFC1036. The 'usefor' refers to the Usenet
    Format Working Group.

    Old guy

  16. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:00:09 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > o you really not understand that?????????????????????? You must, surely
    > understand what is being told to you here?!


    Of course he understands. He is being stubborn. He feels if he changes
    now, after all of the arguments, he would be admitting he was wrong. I
    hope he can understand that even if he is right, and everyone else is
    wrong, it would still be nice of him to remove the first sig, just
    to help us stay on topic.....What was this thread originally about anyway?

    stonerfish

  17. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:29:56 +0000, SINNER wrote:


    >> Also care to mention what newsreaders are affected? After all, you claim
    >> that it screws the signature trimming on certain news readers

    >
    >> Which ones, Hadron?

    >
    > slrn for one.
    >


    Ha! Slrn isnt perfect :-D sorry SINNER, couldn't resist
    --
    MCR
    MAME - History In The Making
    Got Linux? Get SDLMAME

  18. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 02:58:17 +0000, jellybean stonerfish wrote:

    Snipped

    > Of course he understands. He is being stubborn. He feels if he changes
    > now, after all of the arguments, he would be admitting he was wrong. I
    > hope he can understand that even if he is right, and everyone else is
    > wrong, it would still be nice of him to remove the first sig, just
    > to help us stay on topic.....What was this thread originally about anyway?
    >
    > stonerfish


    You don't have a sig, perhaps he could give one to you.. I have read
    this argument lots of times here, I don't think he's going to change it.

    --
    MCR
    MAME - History In The Making
    Got Linux? Get SDLMAME

  19. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    MCR writes:

    > On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:29:56 +0000, SINNER wrote:
    >
    >
    >>> Also care to mention what newsreaders are affected? After all, you claim
    >>> that it screws the signature trimming on certain news readers

    >>
    >>> Which ones, Hadron?

    >>
    >> slrn for one.
    >>

    >
    > Ha! Slrn isnt perfect :-D sorry SINNER, couldn't resist


    Gnus for another if this is the thread I think it is. I just checked. It
    is. Go away Peter. This is for helping people not conducting witch
    hunts. Do you think the amount of people who object to Falconer's double
    sig are making it up? Do you? Yes. I suspect you do.

  20. Re: NNTP/Usenet Infrastructure / software question?

    Moe Trin illuminated alt.os.linux.ubuntu by typing:

    >> <.....>
    >>I've got a problem with Linux usage in our business. We have a "paid
    >>for" accounting package, that while it sucks, is rather "industry
    >>standard". Until I can find a solution (and I'm trying) we are stuck
    >>with MS offerings.

    >
    > That remains a problem with my wife's company, as they don't have the
    > programmers to do what is needed. I know our tax department had a lot
    > of problems satisfying the various agencies.
    >
    > Old guy


    I'm about to test run this paeticular program. It seems to have
    appeared fairly recently for linux. Looks promising to me,
    especially as the old windows "stick in the muds" will be able
    to run it.
    http://www.accountz.com/business.html

    Fingers crossed. I'll let you know if it's any good.

    --
    Moog

    "Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the
    leather straps."

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