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How long have notebooks been outselling desktops/servers?
When will 64 bit be mainstream?
I am so frustrated. I have two 64bit notebooks. One purchased July
2005 and the other in Aug 2007, an X2. Why do I still have to **** with
32 bit? Where is 64 bit Wireless? It's about time.
When is 64bit to be the default and 32 bit to be the stepchild?
yoyo, on 08/31/2007 11:33 PM said:[color=blue]
> How long have notebooks been outselling desktops/servers?
>
> When will 64 bit be mainstream?
>
> I am so frustrated. I have two 64bit notebooks. One purchased July
> 2005 and the other in Aug 2007, an X2. Why do I still have to **** with
> 32 bit? Where is 64 bit Wireless? It's about time.
>
> When is 64bit to be the default and 32 bit to be the stepchild?[/color]
I don't know---but I, too, am waiting on that day. There are still
several instabilities all across 64-bit systems. Granted, 64-bit Linux
boxes are far more usable than 64-bit Windows systems, but there are
little things here and there that need improvement. If only I knew how
to do it, I could work on some of it...
Though, one of the problems with Feisty's 64-bit release was that GAIM
was horribly broken in the 64-bit version. Pidgin no longer is, at least.
-- Mike
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Michael B. Trausch [url]http://www.trausch.us/[/url]
Pidgin 2.1.1 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty! [url]http://www.trausch.us/pidgin[/url]
Hi Mike,
Am Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:20:55 -0400 schrieb Michael Trausch:
[color=blue]
> I don't know---but I, too, am waiting on that day. There are still
> several instabilities all across 64-bit systems. Granted, 64-bit Linux
> boxes are far more usable than 64-bit Windows systems, but there are
> little things here and there that need improvement. If only I knew how
> to do it, I could work on some of it...[/color]
But the problem is really simple. Because 32-bit int was the biggest data
type to pass on the stack, all 64-bit data was passed by reference. Simply
scan all C/C++ sources to find parameter passing of 64-bit values. Do this
for all programs youu need, and you are done. Next make sure you have
converted all external data structures and here you are :-).
regards, Kurt
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Kurt Harders
PiN GmbH
[url]http://www.pin-gmbh.com[/url]
yoyo wrote:
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> How long have notebooks been outselling desktops/servers?
>
> When will 64 bit be mainstream?[/color]
I would say "when the market decides so". So, as soon as the majority of
buyers "I want a 64-bit system" it will be so.
[color=blue]
> I am so frustrated. I have two 64bit notebooks. One purchased July
> 2005 and the other in Aug 2007, an X2. Why do I still have to **** with
> 32 bit? Where is 64 bit Wireless? It's about time.[/color]
Regarding hardware, I'm quite sure 64 bit CPU's/chipsets are outselling 32
bit CPU's/chipsets already: just look at the shops.
So I guess your question is about the OS, drivers, applications. And there
the majority is indeed still 32-bit.
What's the advantage of a 64-bit software? I would say: use of 4+ GB
memory / files. That would mean that as soon as computers have 4+ GB of
RAM, 64-bit OSes will be standard. A typical laptop now has 2 GB of RAM, so
in two years it will be 4 GB, and I expect 64-bit OSes on those computers.
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> When is 64bit to be the default and 32 bit to be the stepchild?[/color]
de Kameel
Kurt Harders, on 09/01/2007 05:08 AM said:[color=blue]
> Hi Mike,
>
> Am Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:20:55 -0400 schrieb Michael Trausch:
>[color=green]
>> there are little things here and there that need improvement. If
>> only I knew how to do it, I could work on some of it...[/color]
>
> But the problem is really simple. Because 32-bit int was the biggest
> data type to pass on the stack, all 64-bit data was passed by
> reference. Simply scan all C/C++ sources to find parameter passing of
> 64-bit values. Do this for all programs youu need, and you are done.
> Next make sure you have converted all external data structures and
> here you are :-).
>[/color]
lol... Yeah, but while I am great at coming up with solutions in shell
script or other languages for various purposes, I still stink when it
comes to C code. For that matter, I largely stink at reading the code
of others. I can fix minor things here in there in C code if the fix is
apparant to me (e.g., someone renamed something and didn't change it
everywhere, I can fix /that/), but I have a ways to go with C/C++ before
I could consider myself close to competent enough in it to fully
understand the implications of any non-trivial changes that I make to
other people's code.
-- Mike
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Michael B. Trausch [url]http://www.trausch.us/[/url]
Pidgin 2.1.1 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty! [url]http://www.trausch.us/pidgin[/url]
de Kameel, on 09/01/2007 05:58 AM said:[color=blue]
>
> What's the advantage of a 64-bit software? I would say: use of 4+ GB
> memory / files. That would mean that as soon as computers have 4+ GB
> of RAM, 64-bit OSes will be standard. A typical laptop now has 2 GB
> of RAM, so in two years it will be 4 GB, and I expect 64-bit OSes on
> those computers.
>[/color]
There are also performance advantages: AMD64 systems have more
registers than a "pure" IA32 system does, which makes it possible for
more application data to be in lower-latency areas of the system.
Combined with the fact that many of these registers are larger than on
pure IA32 systems (or AMD64 systems in IA32 mode, for that matter), it's
a good advantage to have.
I would suppose that there are others, but I am not all that intimate
with any other benefits that there might be outside of a larger memory
space and more registers.
-- Mike
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Michael B. Trausch [url]http://www.trausch.us/[/url]
Pidgin 2.1.1 and plugins for Ubuntu Feisty! [url]http://www.trausch.us/pidgin[/url]