Re: IP protocol version 4.5 - TCP-IP

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  1. Re: IP protocol version 4.5

    On Aug 23, 11:49*am, L...@dawnon.com wrote:
    > P.S. I'm not a specialist on Internet, and actually I was trying to
    > design several specification and standards of my own network. After I
    > had some connection with people from the University of Edinburg and
    > some people from London. Finally I was convinced that it is better to
    > improve Internet than to design everything from scratch. Possibly some
    > things of my schedule will be implemented in IPv8.


    I must respectfully disagree with the "design everything from scratch"
    comment. Undoubtedly you are aware that, after almost 20 years of
    debating the issue, many prominent researchers in computer networking
    have concluded just the opposite, that IPv6 is too hackish, and the
    last thing we need is 1,000,000,000+ users running on something that
    looks/works like it was hacked together.

    Reference:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...slate+TCP%2FIP

    I am curious to know who were these people who convinced you
    otherwise.

    > P.P.S. Since this problem connected with human factor, I posted it in
    > the group related to the human factor.


    Human behavior is definitely a peculiarity of this entire process, and
    even the greatest luminaries in this field, IMHO, have taken a
    somewhat irrational approach to ascribing priority between:

    1. How Things Are (IPv4/IPv6)
    2. How Things Should Be (clean-slate protocol).

    They have allowed "How Things Are" to cloud their judgement of "How
    Things Should Be".

    -Le Chaud Lapin-

  2. Re: IP protocol version 4.5

    As one network engineer once said:

    "Network protocols come and go" =D

    "IPv6" will come and then somewhat later on "it will go"

    And something new will come along

    Bye,
    Skybuck



  3. Re: IP protocol version 4.5

    On Aug 23, 9:36 pm, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
    > As one network engineer once said:
    >
    > "Network protocols come and go" =D
    >
    > "IPv6" will come and then somewhat later on "it will go"
    >
    > And something new will come along
    >


    Yes, but unfortunately, everything seems to be ready to run new
    protocol, but not so many people want to make such switch.

    > Bye,
    > Skybuck



  4. Re: IP protocol version 4.5

    On Aug 23, 9:09 pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
    > On Aug 23, 11:49 am, L...@dawnon.com wrote:
    >
    > > P.S. I'm not a specialist on Internet, and actually I was trying to
    > > design several specification and standards of my own network. After I
    > > had some connection with people from the University of Edinburg and
    > > some people from London. Finally I was convinced that it is better to
    > > improve Internet than to design everything from scratch. Possibly some
    > > things of my schedule will be implemented in IPv8.

    >
    > I must respectfully disagree with the "design everything from scratch"
    > comment. Undoubtedly you are aware that, after almost 20 years of
    > debating the issue, many prominent researchers in computer networking
    > have concluded just the opposite, that IPv6 is too hackish, and the
    > last thing we need is 1,000,000,000+ users running on something that
    > looks/works like it was hacked together.
    >


    I will not make everything from scratch.
    I do NOT need/wish/want to do everything from scratch.

    Thay convinced me NOT to do everything from scratch.
    Thay connvinced to make better what is present.

    Compresion?

    > Reference:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...slate+TCP%2FIP
    >
    > I am curious to know who were these people who convinced you
    > otherwise.


    Thay are very good analysts.

    Ones I thought that only one person fulfilled all the prescription of
    "Intutut de France" in his spoke. It was after comments one
    respectable person, in some documentary movie. But it looks he needed
    to aprove he was not English.

    >
    > > P.P.S. Since this problem connected with human factor, I posted it in
    > > the group related to the human factor.

    >
    > Human behavior is definitely a peculiarity of this entire process, and
    > even the greatest luminaries in this field, IMHO, have taken a
    > somewhat irrational approach to ascribing priority between:
    >
    > 1. How Things Are (IPv4/IPv6)


    How there are deals with IPv4/IPv6?
    It looks as big improvement since Compuserve and Tetel (Minitel),
    But it looks as there are two way are present
    ne is about how it should be (IPv6),
    and the second one how it is (IPv4).

    And with recent circumstances, everything goes to reach the point of
    switch to IPv6, but this moment seams unpredictable and possibly
    unreachable. I should convince: the situation looked quite suitable
    for me untill I felt some not proper pretension for authority from
    those who squatted IP addresses.

    (Actually that was a conflict, which could be a dengerous prcedent.
    Since it some cleanzing is needed. That is why it is a human factor.
    It was also a challenge becuase I was authoring some basic concepts of
    policy where in some problem question technical and technological
    terms were mixed on suitability of human factor.)

    > 2. How Things Should Be (clean-slate protocol).
    >
    > They have allowed "How Things Are" to cloud their judgement of "How
    > Things Should Be".
    >
    > -Le Chaud Lapin-


    Trabien'.

  5. Re: IP protocol version 4.5

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    > On Aug 23, 9:36 pm, "Skybuck Flying" wrote:
    >> As one network engineer once said:
    >>
    >> "Network protocols come and go" =D
    >>
    >> "IPv6" will come and then somewhat later on "it will go"
    >>
    >> And something new will come along
    >>

    >
    > Yes, but unfortunately, everything seems to be ready to run new
    > protocol, but not so many people want to make such switch.


    Who cares about the people lol.

    They don't matter.

    All that matters is the internet itself.

    As long as it's ready for ipv6 then everything is ok.

    If it's not really needed then to bad...

    But when it is needed people will flock to the ipv6.

    I just checked my isp's ipv6 support.

    And it seems my isp is already supporting ipv6.

    I can go for example to this site:

    http://ipv6.sunny.ch/

    Which is supposed to be reachable only via ipv4 ?

    I checked with ethereal... and it seems the isp first connects to a peering
    gateway.... (via a tunnel) and then on from there it goes onto the ipv6
    backbone or so... and finally reaches the website and then communicates back
    vice versa...

    So all seems nice and well...

    I am also finishing up one of my own apps to support ipv6. (UDP Speed Test
    3)

    It will probably be released tomorrow or the day after that.

    It's getting close to release... I just need to fix up some things and then
    do so more testing and some websites updates and screenshots and even price
    update ! =D

    And then people have another app to enjoy ipv6 with... and learn from it...
    yes absolutely..

    I think my tool will be a good tool to learn ipv6 addressess with and so...
    and play a little bit with it..

    It's definetly better than nothing !

    Unfortunately for the cheap skates... they can't play with it... you need
    activation code for ipv6 support :P*

    It just happened to be like that LOL =D

    My advice for everybody:

    Start playing with ipv6 now that you still have the time for it... you can
    now start playing with it... without problems and time pressure I hope for
    you at least...

    When the **** does hit the fan you wanna be ready =D LOL.

    Bye,
    Skybuck.



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