DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
> Any thoughts on this.
>
> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> Any ideas

You run a 32 bit operating system. Best install the 64 bit version if
your processor can do that. That will be able to get to to a bit more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations

If you are already running 64 bit, it could be a limitation on your
motherboard and a bios update *might* help.

houghi
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On Sep 4, 6:19*am, houghi wrote:
> DonDor...@rogers.com wrote:
> > Any thoughts on this.
>
> > I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
> > to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
> > 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> > Any ideas
>
> You run a 32 bit operating system. Best install the 64 bit version if
> your processor can do that. That will be able to get to to a bit more:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations
>
> If you are already running 64 bit, it could be a limitation on your
> motherboard and a bios update *might* help.
>
> houghi
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Yepper, my current is 32 bit, downloading the 64 bit as we speak. Will
it be a simple upgrade?

DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
> Yepper, my current is 32 bit, downloading the 64 bit as we speak. Will
> it be a simple upgrade?

Doubt it. As always, take a backup, try and if it fails do a new install
and restore the data.

Don't format your /home

houghi
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On 2008-09-04 12:39, DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
> On Sep 4, 6:19 am, houghi wrote:
>> DonDor...@rogers.com wrote:
>>> Any thoughts on this.
>>> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
>>> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
>>> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>>> Any ideas
>> You run a 32 bit operating system. Best install the 64 bit version if
>> your processor can do that. That will be able to get to to a bit more:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations
>>
>> If you are already running 64 bit, it could be a limitation on your
>> motherboard and a bios update *might* help.
>>
>> houghi
>> --
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>
> Yepper, my current is 32 bit, downloading the 64 bit as we speak. Will
> it be a simple upgrade?

I don't think the answer is that simple, I run 32 bit kernel but still
see 4GB memory, my opensuse 11.0 machine is currently poweroff so I can't
check, but I have one 10.3-32bit that have 4GB mem up and running.

ws46163:> ssh home 'ssh bblin4 "uname -r;free"'
2.6.22.18-0.2-bigsmp
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 4151696 3450936 700760 0 284180 1495136
-/+ buffers/cache: 1671620 2480076
Swap: 2104472 1380056 724416

As you can see, the kernel is bigsmp , use yast and search for kernel, maybe
it help to install that kernel if you don't run it.

If you upgrade to 64-bit you will get a number of problems with other software,
like win32 codecs and maybe some network drivers, flash maybe, I gave it up
and run only 32-bit on my workstations, but have a dual boot option for 64 bit.

If you will try 64-bit, just add a new partition for the root, make a new
install of opensuse 11.0-64 there, but don't format the old partitions,
and opensuse will configure the boot menu for you.

/bb

On 2008-09-04, bb wrote:
> On 2008-09-04 12:39, DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
>> On Sep 4, 6:19 am, houghi wrote:
>>> DonDor...@rogers.com wrote:
>>>> Any thoughts on this.
>>>> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
>>>> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
>>>> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>>>> Any ideas
>>> You run a 32 bit operating system. Best install the 64 bit version if
>>> your processor can do that. That will be able to get to to a bit more:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations
>>>
>>> If you are already running 64 bit, it could be a limitation on your
>>> motherboard and a bios update *might* help.
>>>
>>> houghi
>>> --
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>>> Zitiere richtig (DE)http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren
>>> Quote correctly (EN)http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
>>
>> Yepper, my current is 32 bit, downloading the 64 bit as we speak. Will
>> it be a simple upgrade?
>
> I don't think the answer is that simple, I run 32 bit kernel but still
> see 4GB memory, my opensuse 11.0 machine is currently poweroff so I can't
> check, but I have one 10.3-32bit that have 4GB mem up and running.
>
> ws46163:> ssh home 'ssh bblin4 "uname -r;free"'
> 2.6.22.18-0.2-bigsmp
> total used free shared buffers cached
> Mem: 4151696 3450936 700760 0 284180 1495136
> -/+ buffers/cache: 1671620 2480076
> Swap: 2104472 1380056 724416
>
> As you can see, the kernel is bigsmp , use yast and search for kernel, maybe
> it help to install that kernel if you don't run it.
>
> If you upgrade to 64-bit you will get a number of problems with other software,
> like win32 codecs and maybe some network drivers, flash maybe, I gave it up
> and run only 32-bit on my workstations, but have a dual boot option for 64 bit.
>
> If you will try 64-bit, just add a new partition for the root, make a new
> install of opensuse 11.0-64 there, but don't format the old partitions,
> and opensuse will configure the boot menu for you.
>
> /bb

When I installed my current 64 bit 11.0 I also installed the 32 bit
libraries. It's an option in YaST.
Everything runs just fine.

All multimedia, Java, Flash, just fine.

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bb wrote:
> If you upgrade to 64-bit you will get a number of problems with other software,
> like win32 codecs and maybe some network drivers, flash maybe, I gave it up
> and run only 32-bit on my workstations, but have a dual boot option for 64 bit.

What problems did you specificaly encounter? I have 64bit (I have a new
PC, did you know) and am watching movies both downloaded and on sites. I
have not yet tried mp3 yet, so no idea there.

With 8BG I won't even attempt to run 32 bit. (Hey, perhaps I can run 4
Linux sessions. One on each core and give each 2GB)

houghi
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DonDorman@rogers.com schrieb:
> Good morning everyone.
>
> Any thoughts on this.
>
> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> Any ideas
>
Try to install the "pae"-kernel

cu
Jochen

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Jochen Bach schrieb:
> DonDorman@rogers.com schrieb:
>> Good morning everyone.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this.
>>
>> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
>> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
>> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>>
>> Any ideas
>>
> Try to install the "pae"-kernel
>
> cu
> Jochen

jochen@linux-ll64:~> uname -a;free
Linux linux-ll64 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
i686 i386 GNU/Linux
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 4147340 515648 3631692 0 19412 300980
-/+ buffers/cache: 195256 3952084
Swap: 5116660 0 5116660


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On Sep 4, 10:28*am, Jochen Bach wrote:
> Jochen Bach schrieb:
>
> > DonDor...@rogers.com schrieb:
> >> Good morning everyone.
>
> >> Any thoughts on this.
>
> >> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
> >> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
> >> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> >> Any ideas
>
> > Try to install the "pae"-kernel
>
> > cu
> > Jochen
>
> jochen@linux-ll64:~> uname -a;free
> Linux linux-ll64 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
> i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> * * * * * * *total * * * used * * * free * * shared * *buffers * * cached
> Mem: * * * 4147340 * * 515648 * *3631692 * * * * *0 * * *19412 * * 300980
> -/+ buffers/cache: * * 195256 * *3952084
> Swap: * * *5116660 * * * * *0 * *5116660
>
> --
> openSuse 11.0 final, Linux 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae i686, KDE 3.5.10 "rel.2.2"
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600, GeForce 8800 GT, 4 GB DDR2 RAM



Here is what I got

Linux dorm 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
i686 i386 GNU/Linux
total used free shared buffers
cached
Mem: 3505556 3404200 101356 0 16436
3154880
-/+ buffers/cache: 232884 3272672
Swap: 2184832 164 2184668

On September 4, 2008 13:12, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDorman@rogers.com
(DonDorman@rogers.com) wrote:

> On Sep 4, 10:28Â*am, Jochen Bach wrote:
>> Jochen Bach schrieb:
>>
>> > DonDor...@rogers.com schrieb:
>> >> Good morning everyone.
>>
>> >> Any thoughts on this.
>>
>> >> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
>> >> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
>> >> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>>
>> >> Any ideas
>>
>> > Try to install the "pae"-kernel
[snip]
> Linux dorm 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
> i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> total used free shared buffers
> cached
> Mem: 3505556 3404200 101356 0 16436
> 3154880
> -/+ buffers/cache: 232884 3272672
> Swap: 2184832 164 2184668

So, the OS has allocated about 3.5G to user processes. Of course, this
number does /not/ include the size of the OS kernel itself. To find that,
you'll have to get the boot up messages generated by the kernel when it
goes to allocate it's own memory.

So, try

dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'

and report back.

FWIW, my 4G system shows...
~ $ dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'
Memory: 3363360k/4194304k available (6215k kernel code, 43080k reserved,
2017k data, 392k init, 2490048k highmem)
Freeing unused kernel memory: 392k freed

~ $ free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 3364504 1027836 2336668 0 46428 631244
-/+ buffers/cache: 350164 3014340
Swap: 16787916 0 16787916


HTH
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On Sep 4, 1:46*pm, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On September 4, 2008 13:12, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDor...@rogers.com
>
>
>
>
>
> (DonDor...@rogers.com) wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 10:28*am, Jochen Bach wrote:
> >> Jochen Bach schrieb:
>
> >> > DonDor...@rogers.com schrieb:
> >> >> Good morning everyone.
>
> >> >> Any thoughts on this.
>
> >> >> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM up
> >> >> to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE 11.0/KDE
> >> >> 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> >> >> Any ideas
>
> >> > Try to install the "pae"-kernel
> [snip]
> > Linux dorm 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
> > i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> > * * * * * * *total * * * used * * * free * * shared * *buffers
> > cached
> > Mem: * * * 3505556 * *3404200 * * 101356 * * * * *0 * * *16436
> > 3154880
> > -/+ buffers/cache: * * 232884 * *3272672
> > Swap: * * *2184832 * * * *164 * *2184668
>
> So, the OS has allocated about 3.5G to user processes. Of course, this
> number does /not/ include the size of the OS kernel itself. To find that,
> you'll have to get the boot up messages generated by the kernel when it
> goes to allocate it's own memory.
>
> So, try
>
> * dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'
>
> and report back.
>
> FWIW, my 4G system shows...
> * ~ $ dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'
> * Memory: 3363360k/4194304k available (6215k kernel code, 43080k reserved,
> * * 2017k data, 392k init, 2490048k highmem)
> * Freeing unused kernel memory: 392k freed
>
> * ~ $ free
> * * * * * * * *total * * * used * * * free * * shared * *buffers * * cached
> * Mem: * * * 3364504 * *1027836 * *2336668 * * * * *0 * * *46428 * * 631244
> * -/+ buffers/cache: * * 350164 * *3014340
> * Swap: * * 16787916 * * * * *0 * 16787916
>
> HTH
> --
> Lew Pitcher
>
> Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/* | GPG public key available by request
> ---------- * * *Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. * * * * *------

Here is what I get from dmesg...

PM: Registered nosave memory: 000000000009f000 - 00000000000a0000
PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000a0000 - 00000000000e0000
PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000
Memory: 3499320k/3538752k available (1953k kernel code, 38240k
reserved, 1676k data, 264k init, 2621248k highmem)
Freeing initrd memory: 5169k freed
Freeing unused kernel memory: 264k freed

On September 4, 2008 16:35, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDorman@rogers.com
(DonDorman@rogers.com) wrote:

> On Sep 4, 1:46Â*pm, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> On September 4, 2008 13:12, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDor...@rogers.com

>> >> > DonDor...@rogers.com schrieb:
>> >> >> Good morning everyone.
>>
>> >> >> Any thoughts on this.
>>
>> >> >> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM
>> >> >> up to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE
>> >> >> 11.0/KDE 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>>
>> >> >> Any ideas
[snip]
>> [snip]
>> > Linux dorm 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
>> > i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>> > total Â* Â* Â* used Â* Â* Â* free Â* Â* shared Â* Â*buffers
>> > cached
>> > Mem: Â* Â* Â* 3505556 Â* Â*3404200 Â* Â* 101356 Â* Â* Â* Â* Â*0 Â* Â* Â*16436
>> > 3154880
>> > -/+ buffers/cache: Â* Â* 232884 Â* Â*3272672
>> > Swap: Â* Â* Â*2184832 Â* Â* Â* Â*164 Â* Â*2184668
>>
>> So, the OS has allocated about 3.5G to user processes. Of course, this
>> number does /not/ include the size of the OS kernel itself. To find that,
>> you'll have to get the boot up messages generated by the kernel when it
>> goes to allocate it's own memory.
>>
>> So, try
>>
>> dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'
[snip]
> Here is what I get from dmesg...
>
> PM: Registered nosave memory: 000000000009f000 - 00000000000a0000
> PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000a0000 - 00000000000e0000
> PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000
> Memory: 3499320k/3538752k available (1953k kernel code, 38240k

OK, so your kernel only sees 3.5G of memory. Looking at the specs for the
NC6400 (at
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en...-77984107.html),
I see that it says "Graphic Subsystem Video Card Memory: Up to 512MB Hyper
Memory (dedicated and shared system memory)". It looks like the 512MB (or
0.5 GB) of "shared system memory" used by the graphics subsystem is the
missing memory that the kernel doesn't see.

So, it looks like that is your answer: your graphics card takes 512MB of
system memory away from you /before/ the OS loads. The OS gets the
remaining 3.5GB of memory, and keeps a few MB for itself. The remaining
3.5- GB is available for user programs, buffers and caches.

> reserved, 1676k data, 264k init, 2621248k highmem)
> Freeing initrd memory: 5169k freed
> Freeing unused kernel memory: 264k freed

--
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Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576
http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request
---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------

On Sep 4, 7:26*pm, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> On September 4, 2008 16:35, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDor...@rogers.com
>
>
>
>
>
> (DonDor...@rogers.com) wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 1:46*pm, Lew Pitcher wrote:
> >> On September 4, 2008 13:12, in alt.os.linux.suse, DonDor...@rogers.com
> >> >> > DonDor...@rogers.com schrieb:
> >> >> >> Good morning everyone.
>
> >> >> >> Any thoughts on this.
>
> >> >> >> I have a Compaq nc6400, I have just brought it from 2 GB's of RAM
> >> >> >> up to 4 GB's of RAM... BIOS see's it all just fine, but openSUSE
> >> >> >> 11.0/KDE 3.50.10 only see 3.3 GB's
>
> >> >> >> Any ideas
> [snip]
> >> [snip]
> >> > Linux dorm 2.6.25.11-0.1-pae #1 SMP 2008-07-13 20:48:28 +0200 i686
> >> > i686 i386 GNU/Linux
> >> > total * * * used * * * free * * shared * *buffers
> >> > cached
> >> > Mem: * * * 3505556 * *3404200 * * 101356 * * * * *0 * * *16436
> >> > 3154880
> >> > -/+ buffers/cache: * * 232884 * *3272672
> >> > Swap: * * *2184832 * * * *164 * *2184668
>
> >> So, the OS has allocated about 3.5G to user processes. Of course, this
> >> number does /not/ include the size of the OS kernel itself. To find that,
> >> you'll have to get the boot up messages generated by the kernel when it
> >> goes to allocate it's own memory.
>
> >> So, try
>
> >> dmesg | grep '[Mm]emory:'
> [snip]
> > Here is what I get from dmesg...
>
> > PM: Registered nosave memory: 000000000009f000 - 00000000000a0000
> > PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000a0000 - 00000000000e0000
> > PM: Registered nosave memory: 00000000000e0000 - 0000000000100000
> > Memory: 3499320k/3538752k available (1953k kernel code, 38240k
>
> OK, so your kernel only sees 3.5G of memory. Looking at the specs for the
> NC6400 (athttp://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF06b/12139188-12139280-12139...),
> I see that it says "Graphic Subsystem Video Card Memory: Up to 512MB Hyper
> Memory (dedicated and shared system memory)". It looks like the 512MB (or
> 0.5 GB) of "shared system memory" used by the graphics subsystem is the
> missing memory that the kernel doesn't see.
>
> So, it looks like that is your answer: your graphics card takes 512MB of
> system memory away from you /before/ the OS loads. The OS gets the
> remaining 3.5GB of memory, and keeps a few MB for itself. The remaining
> 3.5- GB is available for user programs, buffers and caches.
>
> > reserved, 1676k data, 264k init, 2621248k highmem)
> > Freeing initrd memory: 5169k freed
> > Freeing unused kernel memory: 264k freed
>
> --
> Lew Pitcher
>
> Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/* | GPG public key available by request
> ---------- * * *Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. * * * * *------

That would make sense, my DVD's play like nothing you have watched.

Thanks for all of you hep

DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
> That would make sense, my DVD's play like nothing you have watched.

Does that mean they play very good or very bad? If it is now very good
and you still need a bit of memory, you can change it in your BIOS.

Also a new card is not THAT expensive. As I do not play games on my PC,
I just picked the cheapest NVidia card that I could use. Bit more
expensive then the cheapest, because I needed two (well, actualy three)
connections.

Also sorry that I made you download the 64bit for no reason. I thought
about the video card, but then thought that you were already using
memory and thus would have already seen that it used part of your
memory, so that could not be it.

houghi
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On Sep 5, 3:10*am, houghi wrote:
> DonDor...@rogers.com wrote:
> > That would make sense, my DVD's play like nothing you have watched.
>
> Does that mean they play very good or very bad? If it is now very good
> and you still need a bit of memory, you can change it in your BIOS.
>
> Also a new card is not THAT expensive. As I do not play games on my PC,
> I just picked the cheapest NVidia card that I could use. Bit more
> expensive then the cheapest, because I needed two (well, actualy three)
> connections.
>
> Also sorry that I made you download the 64bit for no reason. I thought
> about the video card, but then thought that you were already using
> memory and thus would have already seen that it used part of your
> memory, so that could not be it.
>
> houghi
> --
>
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Amazing video quality.....

It turns out the HP has certain things disabled in the BIOS.

No need to be sorry, it took about 45 minutes, and I now have a
copy..no biggie

DonDorman@rogers.com wrote:
> Amazing video quality.....
>
> It turns out the HP has certain things disabled in the BIOS.

If you did not have that quality, my guess is that it used less memory
before. e.g. only 64mb or even less. Now that it has more to use, it
uses more

houghi
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