zmdmw52 wrote:
> I tried to copy them using File Commander/Nautilus (use gnome as my
> default desktop) while logged in as a normal user; but could not do
> so. So logged out & back in as 'root' and could then copy them to the
> correct folder outlined above, from the CD.

Do NOT log in as root. What you can do is become root and then run any
program as root. In a terminal type `su -` and you will be able to run any
program as root. (For experiences openSUSE users `sux -` is not needed
anymore.)

> Before this, tried the CLI (using xterm, with the following syntax)
>
> host@domain:~> cp -bv /media/fonts/*.TTF /usr/share/fonts/truetype
>
> But this did not help. Tried doing it after sudo -i; but that did not
> work either. What was wrong in the syntax?

If you want to use sudo, type `sudo cp /media/fonts/*TTF
/usr/share/fonts/truetype` all on one line.
If I work in GUI, my prefered way is to do `su -` and then I am root.
Then I can do whatever I like. I also like to use `mc` (you need to
install that) to move and copy files around.

> Tried out the methods above 'before' reading Arthur Buse's post. As a
> newcomer to Linux, one gets to learn new things everyday.

OK, then I missed the posting where you told you tried it and what the
result was. ;-)

> However, the 'font bleed' problem is still there. Currently, using
> Appearance --> Fonts --> Monochrome partially solves the problem
> (display in consoles, Nautilus & most other gnome apps, Firefox, etc
> is ok). Though, will probably try out the suggestions in above article
> over the next few days.

Come to think of it, I once had an issue with an unsharp which could be
mistaken for unsharp fonts. Did the 'self adjustment' on my screen and
all was well.

houghi
--
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grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak.
-- Robert A. Heinlein in "The Man Who Sold the Moon"

On Aug 26, 12:14*pm, houghi wrote:
> zmdmw52 wrote:
> > I tried to copy them using File Commander/Nautilus (use gnome as my
> > default desktop) while logged in as a normal user; but could not do
> > so. So logged out & back in as 'root' and could then copy them to the
> > correct folder outlined above, from the CD.
>
> Do NOT log in as root. What you can do is become root and then run any
> program as root. In a terminal type `su -` and you will be able to run any
> program as root.

>(For experiences openSUSE users `sux -` is not needed
> anymore.)

What does 'sux-' do? (konsole gave 'cmd does not exist')

> > Before this, tried the CLI (using xterm, with the following syntax)
>
> > host@domain:~> cp -bv /media/fonts/*.TTF */usr/share/fonts/truetype
>
> > But this did not help. Tried doing it after sudo -i; but that did not
> > work either. What was wrong in the syntax?
>
> If you want to use sudo, type `sudo cp /media/fonts/*TTF
> /usr/share/fonts/truetype` all on one line.

This will mean putting in the root p/w after running the cmd?

> If I work in GUI, my prefered way is to do `su -` and then I am root.
> Then I can do whatever I like. I also like to use `mc` (you need to
> install that) to move and copy files around.

1) You do only 'su -' from konsole? (no 'su -i' ,i.e. no 'i' flag?)

2) How can one 'install' mc (which, if I understand correctly is a
cmd)?


> > However, the 'font bleed' problem is still there. Currently, using
> > Appearance --> Fonts --> Monochrome partially solves the problem
> > (display in consoles, Nautilus & most other gnome apps, Firefox, etc
> > is ok). Though, will probably try out the suggestions in above article
> > over the *next few days.
>

The gnome desktop has the 'monochrome' option for rendering fonts.
Using this, there is no/minimal font bleed. See the image below -
http://xz7xuw.bay.livefilestore.com/...ore_Change.jpg

The KDE desktop does not seem to have the monochrome option (or any
other font-rendering option such as 'sub-pixel smoothing' (for LCD's);
and there is marked font bleed in using a KDE application on a gnome
desktop, as seen in this image -
http://xz7xuw.bay.livefilestore.com/...Font_Bleed.jpg
(Pl see the images at their native resolutions (i.e. 100% zoom)).

Note:
Am using gnome as the default desktop; but have also KDE desktop (ver
3.x, not the latest 4.x) installed, with it's base libs & KDE apps. I
run the KDE apps (if required) from the gnome desktop.

> Come to think of it, I once had an issue with an unsharp which could be
> mistaken for unsharp fonts. Did the 'self adjustment' on my screen and
> all was well.

The auto-adjust on the LCD monitor did not help. Nor did adjusting
settings from the Yast display applet.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:00:50 +0200, houghi typed this message:

> noi ance wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I was wrong. You and the others were correct, the .ttf
>> files need to be copied to the appropriate fonts folders. If the OP
>> chmod the permissions on the /usr/share/fonts/truetype he can drop and
>> drag fonts through Nautilus.
>
> Don't chmod anything away from root, unless you know what you are doing.
> Seriously, don't. Just run whatever you use to copy as root.
>
>> I don't know the KDE equivalent, in Gnome/Default desktop its System ->
>> Look and Feel -> Appearance for Suse11 and in Suse 10.3 its
>> Applications -
>>> Utilities -> Desktop -> Appearance. You can install new Themes and
>> Backgrounds but not the fonts.
>
> Ah, OK, some GUI specific thing, so that you can't do it if you would
> only want to use gimp-script in CLI.
>
>
> houghi

I know what I'm doing. It's safe.

And one would need fonts in ClI why?

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:50:23 -0700, zmdmw52 typed this message:

> On Aug 26, 12:14Â*pm, houghi wrote:
>> zmdmw52 wrote:
>> > I tried to copy them using File Commander/Nautilus (use gnome as my
>> > default desktop) while logged in as a normal user; but could not do
>> > so. So logged out & back in as 'root' and could then copy them to the
>> > correct folder outlined above, from the CD.
>>
>> Do NOT log in as root. What you can do is become root and then run any
>> program as root. In a terminal type `su -` and you will be able to run
>> any program as root.
>
>>(For experiences openSUSE users `sux -` is not needed
>> anymore.)
>
> What does 'sux-' do? (konsole gave 'cmd does not exist')
>
>> > Before this, tried the CLI (using xterm, with the following syntax)
>>
>> > host@domain:~> cp -bv /media/fonts/*.TTF Â*/usr/share/fonts/truetype
>>
>> > But this did not help. Tried doing it after sudo -i; but that did not
>> > work either. What was wrong in the syntax?
>>
>> If you want to use sudo, type `sudo cp /media/fonts/*TTF
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype` all on one line.
>
> This will mean putting in the root p/w after running the cmd?
>
>> If I work in GUI, my prefered way is to do `su -` and then I am root.
>> Then I can do whatever I like. I also like to use `mc` (you need to
>> install that) to move and copy files around.
>
> 1) You do only 'su -' from konsole? (no 'su -i' ,i.e. no 'i' flag?)
>
> 2) How can one 'install' mc (which, if I understand correctly is a cmd)?
>
>
>> > However, the 'font bleed' problem is still there. Currently, using
>> > Appearance --> Fonts --> Monochrome partially solves the problem
>> > (display in consoles, Nautilus & most other gnome apps, Firefox, etc
>> > is ok). Though, will probably try out the suggestions in above
>> > article over the Â*next few days.
>>
>>
> The gnome desktop has the 'monochrome' option for rendering fonts. Using
> this, there is no/minimal font bleed. See the image below -
> http://xz7xuw.bay.livefilestore.com/...c8w-l--Ubflyk-
VZQBFfigfZNXgEZ3yOvvQ3-FSVbDU4pi8kZM9ggPtmp1HdBPxs/
gnome_fonts_Before_Change.jpg
>
> The KDE desktop does not seem to have the monochrome option (or any
> other font-rendering option such as 'sub-pixel smoothing' (for LCD's);
> and there is marked font bleed in using a KDE application on a gnome
> desktop, as seen in this image -
> http://xz7xuw.bay.livefilestore.com/
y1pZBLchsYrXusmds0ZJSrTGY0ZFabwrMf6c7Mjj5DerJwH7ex crm3RAXVvk0A_Ht5D8sGI2L8A3GU/
KNetworkManager_Font_Bleed.jpg
> (Pl see the images at their native resolutions (i.e. 100% zoom)).
>
> Note:
> Am using gnome as the default desktop; but have also KDE desktop (ver
> 3.x, not the latest 4.x) installed, with it's base libs & KDE apps. I
> run the KDE apps (if required) from the gnome desktop.
>
>> Come to think of it, I once had an issue with an unsharp which could be
>> mistaken for unsharp fonts. Did the 'self adjustment' on my screen and
>> all was well.
>
> The auto-adjust on the LCD monitor did not help. Nor did adjusting
> settings from the Yast display applet.

Isn't MC already? Applications - systems - file manager - Gnome
Commander? If not Yast2 add software.

I had some irregular fonts in firefox when I'd forgotten I had increased
the text size. Frankly, I don't see the bleed in the KDE app unless you
mean the "OK" button?

zmdmw52 wrote:
>>(For experiences openSUSE users `sux -` is not needed
>> anymore.)
>
> What does 'sux-' do? (konsole gave 'cmd does not exist')

Nothing anymore as it doesn't exist anymore/

>> If you want to use sudo, type `sudo cp /media/fonts/*TTF
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype` all on one line.
>
> This will mean putting in the root p/w after running the cmd?

It will ask for it.

>> If I work in GUI, my prefered way is to do `su -` and then I am root.
>> Then I can do whatever I like. I also like to use `mc` (you need to
>> install that) to move and copy files around.
>
> 1) You do only 'su -' from konsole? (no 'su -i' ,i.e. no 'i' flag?)

Indeed, no -i flag. All that `su -` does is let you become root. It
doesn't do anything else/

> 2) How can one 'install' mc (which, if I understand correctly is a
> cmd)?

With YaST. Learn to use YaST. Run YaST. See what is in YaST. See where
you can go in YaST.

houghi
--
But I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am
free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I
tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free
because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

noi ance wrote:
>> Don't chmod anything away from root, unless you know what you are doing.
>> Seriously, don't. Just run whatever you use to copy as root.

>> Ah, OK, some GUI specific thing, so that you can't do it if you would
>> only want to use gimp-script in CLI.
>
> I know what I'm doing. It's safe.

It was a warning in general. Especialy the GP could do a lot of harm.

> And one would need fonts in ClI why?

Make images and add some text to the image using gimp-script or
ImageMagick.

e.g. when you know when openSUSE 11.1 comes out, you can make a script
that tells how many days are left. The result you put together using
gimp-script and/or ImageMagick.

This image you then put on a website, where people can link to, so that
all people have the same image that changes according to whatever you
desire.

As all this is done in a cronjob, it should also be done in CLI.

I personally do the following:
1) Take the name of a person with jhead
2) Add the name in the corner with a random font.
http://houghi.org/shots/slides/kelly...70708_0753.php

That way I can add the name to several hundred files without blinking an
eye.

houghi
--
But I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am
free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I
tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free
because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:26:58 +0200, houghi typed this message:

> noi ance wrote:
>>> Don't chmod anything away from root, unless you know what you are
>>> doing. Seriously, don't. Just run whatever you use to copy as root.
>
>>> Ah, OK, some GUI specific thing, so that you can't do it if you would
>>> only want to use gimp-script in CLI.
>>
>> I know what I'm doing. It's safe.
>
> It was a warning in general. Especialy the GP could do a lot of harm.
>
>> And one would need fonts in ClI why?
>
> Make images and add some text to the image using gimp-script or
> ImageMagick.
>
> e.g. when you know when openSUSE 11.1 comes out, you can make a script
> that tells how many days are left. The result you put together using
> gimp-script and/or ImageMagick.
>
> This image you then put on a website, where people can link to, so that
> all people have the same image that changes according to whatever you
> desire.
>
> As all this is done in a cronjob, it should also be done in CLI.
>
> I personally do the following:
> 1) Take the name of a person with jhead 2) Add the name in the corner
> with a random font.
> http://houghi.org/shots/slides/kelly...70708_0753.php
>
> That way I can add the name to several hundred files without blinking an
> eye.
>
> houghi

True from a purist perspective. The OP was a nubee, I presumed he/she
preferred a GUI answer. The question for us long time Linux users is
should we teach the CLI or GUI to nubees, whom most likely come from
Windoze?

No argument cp -p file1 dir should be simple enough for most users.

Until SuSe 11 one could simply use nautilus font:/// to show all the
fonts in the system, now in SuSe 11 its /usr/share/fonts/fontdir

Why are distros striving to make the Linux desktop user friendly yet
gurus insist on nubees using CLI?

noi ance wrote:
> True from a purist perspective. The OP was a nubee, I presumed he/she
> preferred a GUI answer. The question for us long time Linux users is
> should we teach the CLI or GUI to nubees, whom most likely come from
> Windoze?

It depends on what needs to be done.

> No argument cp -p file1 dir should be simple enough for most users.

Or just use a GUI file-copy-thingy to copy files.

> Until SuSe 11 one could simply use nautilus font:/// to show all the
> fonts in the system, now in SuSe 11 its /usr/share/fonts/fontdir

It is "openSUSE" and I never use Nautilus. Not only is it evil, it takes
over my desktop unless I run it with `nautilus --no-desktop`

> Why are distros striving to make the Linux desktop user friendly yet
> gurus insist on nubees using CLI?

What guru's are you talking about? I was just saying that you could
copy things to /usr/share/fonts/fontdir with whatever you wanted and
that you need to be root for that.

I also like to be my solutions non desktop specific. e.g. not Nautilus,
because that won't help KDE users and not Konqueror, because that
doesn't help GNOME users. The best I like YaST, as that usable in every
enviroment.

houghi
--
Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done,
and why. Then do it.
-- Heinlein : Time Enough For Love