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  1. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

    > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    > Hash: SHA1
    >
    > Linux 2.6.25.13
    >
    > ,----[ Quote ]
    >| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.



    But.......

    We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....

    Someone is telling lies.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  2. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:06:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

    > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >> Hash: SHA1
    >>
    >> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map.
    >>Any | users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version.
    >>For | details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat
    >>below.

    >
    >
    > But.......
    >
    > We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >
    > Someone is telling lies.


    That would be ... you.



    --
    Rick

  3. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:

    > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >> Hash: SHA1
    >>
    >> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.

    >
    >
    > But.......
    >
    > We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >
    > Someone is telling lies.


    As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    like Debian.

    As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....

  4. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:28:27 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >
    >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>
    >>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map.
    >>>Any | users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version.
    >>> For | details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat
    >>>below.

    >>
    >>
    >> But.......
    >>
    >> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>
    >> Someone is telling lies.

    >
    > As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    > involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    > Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    > terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    > patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    > (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    > issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    > doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    > rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    > Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    > like Debian.
    >
    > As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....


    Yeah. You.

    Your are implying that because OSS developers patch quickly that the
    software is of less quality than CSS. But your examples show the
    opposite. OSS is patched early and quickly, and so is more secure.

    --
    Rick

  5. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from Hadron:

    > "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >
    >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>
    >>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.

    >>
    >>
    >> But.......
    >>
    >> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>
    >> Someone is telling lies.

    >
    > As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    > involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    > Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    > terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    > patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    > (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    > issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    > doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    > rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    > Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    > like Debian.
    >
    > As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....


    Yes, we know. You do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
    admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware
    maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee
    chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    O'Leary

    --
    Ehrman's Commentary:
    (1) Things will get worse before they get better.
    (2) Who said things would get better?


  6. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    Peter Köhlmann writes:

    > Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from Hadron:
    >
    >> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>>
    >>>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>>
    >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>>>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>>>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> But.......
    >>>
    >>> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>>
    >>> Someone is telling lies.

    >>
    >> As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    >> involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    >> Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    >> terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    >> patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    >> (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    >> issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    >> doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    >> rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    >> Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    >> like Debian.
    >>
    >> As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....

    >
    > Yes, we know. You do


    Except you know I'm not. 2 seconds with Google (if you know how to use
    it) will show you the updates.

    You need another holiday - shouldn't you be reserving deck chairs with
    your towel, stealing all the breakfast buffet for your lunch and pushing
    Greek waiters around somewhere on Kos or something?

  7. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    Hadron wrote:

    > Peter Köhlmann writes:
    >
    >> Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from Hadron:
    >>
    >>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>>>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map.
    >>>>>| Any
    >>>>>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version.
    >>>>>| For details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat
    >>>>>| below.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> But.......
    >>>>
    >>>> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>>>
    >>>> Someone is telling lies.
    >>>
    >>> As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    >>> involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    >>> Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    >>> terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    >>> patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    >>> (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    >>> issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    >>> doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    >>> rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    >>> Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    >>> like Debian.
    >>>
    >>> As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....

    >>
    >> Yes, we know. You do

    >
    > Except you know I'm not. 2 seconds with Google (if you know how to use
    > it) will show you the updates.


    I don't need no friggin google for that
    I *know* what updates there were, I have a proper update mechanism for
    linux. Your windows install you seem to be referring to has not, hence your
    confusion what was updated when and how often. It is nowhere near you
    implied it is.
    *If* you had any point (you don't), you would have supplied URLs which
    support your claim. Naturally you don't, as your claims would go down in
    flames automatically.
    As usual, you are simply lying, "true linux advocate", "kernel
    hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
    guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
    magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
    culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
    aka Damian O'Leary

    >
    > You need another holiday - shouldn't you be reserving deck chairs with
    > your towel, stealing all the breakfast buffet for your lunch and pushing
    > Greek waiters around somewhere on Kos or something?


    As already noted: You are extremely jealous about everyone having achieved
    something you know you never could. Like owning and navigating a sailboat,
    for example
    --
    "Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain."
    Friedrich Schiller


  8. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:51:08 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > Peter Khlmann writes:
    >
    >> Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from Hadron:
    >>
    >>> "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >>>
    >>>> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>>>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>>>>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>>>>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> But.......
    >>>>
    >>>> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>>>
    >>>> Someone is telling lies.
    >>>
    >>> As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    >>> involves the occasional hiccup but generally the SW migrated from
    >>> Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    >>> terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    >>> patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    >>> (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    >>> issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    >>> doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    >>> rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    >>> Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    >>> like Debian.
    >>>
    >>> As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....

    >>
    >> Yes, we know. You do

    >
    > Except you know I'm not. 2 seconds with Google (if you know how to use
    > it) will show you the updates.
    >
    > You need another holiday - shouldn't you be reserving deck chairs with
    > your towel, stealing all the breakfast buffet for your lunch and pushing
    > Greek waiters around somewhere on Kos or something?


    Looks like Peter Kohlmann has gone off the rails again.
    Last time his wife took away his collection of army soldiers.
    I wonder what set him off this time?

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

  9. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb.

    wrote
    on Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:06:05 -0400
    <1uhwy4q1a30hx.nvu767git9wn.dlg@40tude.net>:
    > On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >
    >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >> Hash: SHA1
    >>
    >> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>
    >> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.

    >
    >
    > But.......
    >
    > We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >
    > Someone is telling lies.
    >


    Moshe does have a point. Linux doesn't just work;
    one has to go in there and fix it, which Greg KH
    has been kind enough to donate said fixes to the
    kernel patch tree, apparently.

    Is that possible with Windows?

    --
    #191, ewill3@earthlink.net
    "640K ought to be enough for anybody."
    - allegedly said by Bill Gates, 1981, but somebody had to make this up!
    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

  10. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Hadron

    wrote
    on Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:28:27 +0200
    :
    > "Moshe Goldfarb." writes:
    >
    >> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:37:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
    >>
    >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
    >>> Hash: SHA1
    >>>
    >>> Linux 2.6.25.13
    >>>
    >>> ,----[ Quote ]
    >>>| It contains lots of networking-related bugfixes, all over the map. Any
    >>>| users of the 2.6.25 kernel series should upgrade to this version. For
    >>>| details on the fixes, see the changelog entries and the diffstat below.

    >>
    >>
    >> But.......
    >>
    >> We keep hearing about how Linux *just works*....
    >>
    >> Someone is telling lies.

    >
    > As you know I invest a lot of time in Debian Testing (Lenny). This
    > involves the occasional hiccup


    Not occasional, if your friends are to be believed.
    The Ubuntu website in particular is populated all over
    the place with random crashes, freezes, and malfunctions
    on unspecified hardware. DFS in particular has been kind
    enough to annoy the hell out of us with links thereto,
    at most a week or so ago.

    IINM, Ubuntu is a Debian derivative.

    How are we supposed to tell which one of these reports are
    legitimate issues where a user is crying in his beer or
    other such beverage/drug of choice, and which are major
    porkies designed to sow FUD?

    > but generally the SW migrated from
    > Unstable to testing works without causing major issues. What is
    > terrifying though is just which programs are so regularly updated and
    > patched and fixed. Core stuff like xorg-server, wpasupplicant, gdm, sudo
    > (!!) etc etc. Of course those of us in the real world expect SW to have
    > issues and get fixed. But the loons in COLA really should know that it
    > doesn't all "just work" and there is a hell of a lot of bug ridden
    > rubbish infesting Linux distros to this day. Its why things like
    > Unstable, testing and stable repositories exist in well managed distros
    > like Debian.
    >
    > As you said. Someone is telling lies. And I think we know who....


    Yeppers. That's why Windows Vista was so bug-free the day of
    its release.

    (It didn't stay bug-free long. :-) )

    --
    #191, ewill3@earthlink.net
    Useless C++ Programming Idea #992398129:
    void f(unsigned u) { if(u < 0) ... }
    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

  11. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    In article <488f6369$0$12937$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net>,
    Peter Kohlmann wrote:
    > Yes, we know. You do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    > user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
    > admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware
    > maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee
    > chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    > O'Leary


    Some amazing Peter Kohlman claims:

    * A swap partition is more efficient than a contiguous swap file on
    Linux. (The kernel tracks swap space by contiguous regions of disk. It
    doesn't care if they come from a file or a dedicated partition.).

    * A screen shot of an antialiased image will not show the antialiasing.
    (Trivially disproved by experiment).

    * MD5 collisions are not a security risk.

    * 64-bit pointers do not take up more memory than 32-bit pointers.

    * KDE apps will not work on Cygwin.

    * Posting your WPA key to a public forum is not a security risk for your
    wireless network.

    * Peter claimed that the answer given by Excel for multiplying 29513736
    by 92842033 shows Excel is slop ware. Unfortunately, Peter didn't
    bother to check with any other spreadsheets, as all versions of
    OpenOffice *agree* with Excel. Peter was too dumb to realize that many
    spreadsheets give results to a set number of significant figures.

    * If X makes a statement, for example "the sky is blue", and Y says that
    X is wrong, that does NOT mean that Y disagrees with the statement "the
    sky is blue" or agrees with the statement "the sky is not blue".

    * LCD displays cannot look good at anything other than their native
    resolution.

    The above is not a complete list.

    --
    --Tim Smith

  12. Re: [News] New Stable Linux Released; Security LiveCD Distribution

    On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:43:53 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article <488f6369$0$12937$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net>,
    > Peter Kohlmann wrote:
    >> Yes, we know. You do, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs
    >> user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
    >> admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware
    >> maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS culling committee
    >> chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka Damian
    >> O'Leary

    >
    > Some amazing Peter Kohlman claims:
    >
    > * A swap partition is more efficient than a contiguous swap file on
    > Linux. (The kernel tracks swap space by contiguous regions of disk. It
    > doesn't care if they come from a file or a dedicated partition.).
    >
    > * A screen shot of an antialiased image will not show the antialiasing.
    > (Trivially disproved by experiment).
    >
    > * MD5 collisions are not a security risk.
    >
    > * 64-bit pointers do not take up more memory than 32-bit pointers.
    >
    > * KDE apps will not work on Cygwin.
    >
    > * Posting your WPA key to a public forum is not a security risk for your
    > wireless network.
    >
    > * Peter claimed that the answer given by Excel for multiplying 29513736
    > by 92842033 shows Excel is slop ware. Unfortunately, Peter didn't
    > bother to check with any other spreadsheets, as all versions of
    > OpenOffice *agree* with Excel. Peter was too dumb to realize that many
    > spreadsheets give results to a set number of significant figures.
    >
    > * If X makes a statement, for example "the sky is blue", and Y says that
    > X is wrong, that does NOT mean that Y disagrees with the statement "the
    > sky is blue" or agrees with the statement "the sky is not blue".
    >
    > * LCD displays cannot look good at anything other than their native
    > resolution.
    >
    > The above is not a complete list.


    Peter Kohlmann has obviously gone off the rails again.
    Last time his wife took away his collection of army soldiers.
    I wonder what set him off this time?

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

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