* (Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:45:06 +0100)
> Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
>
> So here it is.
>
> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
> without any X component at all!!)
>
> Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..

Just deselect the GUI components during installation...

Thorsten

On Feb 13, 10:45 am, S...@risdi.com wrote:
> Hi People.
> Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
>
> So here it is.
>
> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
> without any X component at all!!)
>
> Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..
> Robert A. Reissaus
> Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Hi there,

I would suggest installing SLES with X, but not running it. To do
that, simply set your run level to 3 which is fully-networked, multi-
user, no graphical console mode.

Boris.

On Feb 13, 11:21 am, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * (Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:45:06 +0100)
>
> > Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
>
> > So here it is.
>
> > I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
> > without any X component at all!!)
>
> > Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..
>
> Just deselect the GUI components during installation...
>
> Thorsten

That works but then that makes it impossible for you to access the
machine remotely and run X-things. Unless the objective is to save a
few Gigs on the disk (and we are talking maybe 10 GB at most which
these days is not much) I think it is best to install X but simply not
run it.

Boris.

Suse@risdi.com wrote:
> Hi People.
> Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
>
> So here it is.
>
> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
> without any X component at all!!)
>
> Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..
> Robert A. Reissaus
> Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Just don't accept the default software installation, click on details
and deselect all the xwindow, kde and gnome stuff and anything else you
don't like. YOU control what's installed with the Yast installer.

--
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borepstein@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>> > without any X component at all!!)

>
> That works but then that makes it impossible for you to access the
> machine remotely and run X-things.

So you want nothing from X installed and then think it is strange that
nothing that needs X runs. I have an idea that you did not think this
one through. ;-)


houghi
--
Dr. Walter Gibbs: Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs
will start thinking and the people will stop.
-- Tron (1982)

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:59 +0100, houghi
wrote:

>borepstein@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>>> > without any X component at all!!)
>
>>
>> That works but then that makes it impossible for you to access the
>> machine remotely and run X-things.
>
>So you want nothing from X installed and then think it is strange that
>nothing that needs X runs. I have an idea that you did not think this
>one through. ;-)
>
>
>houghi

Hi Houghi.
No, Actually I did. I don't want X to run AT ALL. I won't be needing
it since the machine will be used as web- and mailserver only.
Robert

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:40:21 -0500, "Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 "
wrote:

>Suse@risdi.com wrote:
>> Hi People.
>> Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
>>
>> So here it is.
>>
>> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>> without any X component at all!!)
>>
>> Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..
>> Robert A. Reissaus
>> Amsterdam, the Netherlands
>
>Just don't accept the default software installation, click on details
>and deselect all the xwindow, kde and gnome stuff and anything else you
>don't like. YOU control what's installed with the Yast installer.

Yes, I am afraid that's the only way possible. Man what a work.
A well, just have to keep on suffering. :-)

Thanks

Suse@risdi.com wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:59 +0100, houghi
> wrote:
>
>>borepstein@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> > I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>>>> > without any X component at all!!)
>>
>>>
>>> That works but then that makes it impossible for you to access the
>>> machine remotely and run X-things.
>>
>>So you want nothing from X installed and then think it is strange that
>>nothing that needs X runs. I have an idea that you did not think this
>>one through. ;-)
>>
>>
>>houghi
>
> Hi Houghi.
> No, Actually I did. I don't want X to run AT ALL. I won't be needing
> it since the machine will be used as web- and mailserver only.

Ok. Now I am confused. First you say you do not want any X on it, then
you say you will miss X on it and now you say you do not need any
application that would need X.

Now I have completely lost the reasoning behind the question. Why did
you ask for

So there are a lot of things you don't want. Perhaps it is more
interesting that you explain what you DO want.

As far as I can see it:
1) You do not want or need X: You do not install it.
2) You do need X: Install it.



houghi
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Suse@risdi.com wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:40:21 -0500, "Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 "
> wrote:
>
>>Suse@risdi.com wrote:

>>> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>>> without any X component at all!!)
>>>
>>> Anyone have a idea? Would love the assistance..

>>Just don't accept the default software installation, click on details
>>and deselect all the xwindow, kde and gnome stuff and anything else
>>you don't like. YOU control what's installed with the Yast installer.
>
> Yes, I am afraid that's the only way possible. Man what a work.

Not much work at all. Just deselect anything but the basic system during
installation. You will end up with a functional installation where you
can add whatever you need. I have no idea why a server distribution
comes with X and whatever at all.

Günther

Suse@risdi.com wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:51:59 +0100, houghi
> wrote:
>
>> borepstein@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
>>>>> without any X component at all!!)
>>
>>> That works but then that makes it impossible for you to access the
>>> machine remotely and run X-things.
>> So you want nothing from X installed and then think it is strange that
>> nothing that needs X runs. I have an idea that you did not think this
>> one through. ;-)
>>
>>
>> houghi
>
> Hi Houghi.
> No, Actually I did. I don't want X to run AT ALL. I won't be needing
> it since the machine will be used as web- and mailserver only.
> Robert

I'm a bit confused. If you want to access the machine remotely with a
graphical login (like NX), you will need to install X. However, that
does not mean that you have to *run* X. You can have a text-only server
by making it boot to runlevel 3 as default.

If you decide to not install *anything* X related, you will not be able
to do a GUI remote login. Only SSH.

Günther Schwarz wrote:
> I have no idea why a server distribution comes with X and whatever at
> all.

Because you have to do something. It is either/or. And it is better to
hae people remove stuff they do not need and then misss something, then
add stuff they they do need and then miss stuff. Well, that is my guess.

Another reason could be because the majority wants it.

Another is because it is cheaper in the long run for Novell and this is
come from experience of years with SUSE products.

And obviously this is something that you can discuss with each and every
individual and you will have 20.000.000 opinions on how it should be.

I wonder why they don't have a Windowmaker instalation as a standard.
:-D

houghi
--
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* (Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:08:30 +0100)
> On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:40:21 -0500, "Blattus Slafaly £ ¥ 0/00 "
> wrote:
> >Suse@risdi.com wrote:
> >> Been googling for this but the only part I found involved suse 7.
> >>
> >> I need to install a SLES 10 with NO X Installed ( whenever possible
> >> without any X component at all!!)
> >
> >Just don't accept the default software installation, click on details
> >and deselect all the xwindow, kde and gnome stuff and anything else you
> >don't like. YOU control what's installed with the Yast installer.
>
> Yes, I am afraid that's the only way possible. Man what a work.
> A well, just have to keep on suffering. :-)

No suffering involved: in YaST select "Patterns" under "Filter",
deselect KDE/GNOME and the X Window System. Couldn't be easier.

Thorsten

houghi wrote:

> Günther Schwarz wrote:
>> I have no idea why a server distribution comes with X and whatever at
>> all.
>
> Because you have to do something. It is either/or. And it is better to
> hae people remove stuff they do not need and then misss something,
> then add stuff they they do need and then miss stuff. Well, that is my
> guess.

It all depends on how easy it will be to set up a machine the way one
wants it to be. The package choices the SLES10 offers are not bad. But
then, while one will find whatever packages typical for desktop
systems, some packages are missing that are useful on a server. Like
pine, wireshark, or the lynx web browser. A text based web browser is
essential for setting up the update channels at Novell or a CUPS print
server. And the one that is included in the distribution is a real
PITA.

Günther

Günther Schwarz wrote:
> houghi wrote:
>
>> Günther Schwarz wrote:
>>> I have no idea why a server distribution comes with X and whatever at
>>> all.
>>
>> Because you have to do something. It is either/or. And it is better to
>> hae people remove stuff they do not need and then misss something,
>> then add stuff they they do need and then miss stuff. Well, that is my
>> guess.
>
> It all depends on how easy it will be to set up a machine the way one
> wants it to be. The package choices the SLES10 offers are not bad.

If they are 'not bad' I would call the choice excelent, as each server
will have a different purpose and a different admin with a different
idea.

Sure there will be things one want to see differently. if that would not
be the case, then you might as well close down the shop, because that
means nobody is interested anymore.

houghi
--
> Beware of he who would deny you access to information, <
> for in his heart he dreams himself your master. <
> Commissioner Pravin Lal: "U.N. Declaration of Rights" <

Günther Schwarz wrote:
> houghi wrote:
>
>> Günther Schwarz wrote:
>>> I have no idea why a server distribution comes with X and whatever at
>>> all.
>> Because you have to do something. It is either/or. And it is better to
>> hae people remove stuff they do not need and then misss something,
>> then add stuff they they do need and then miss stuff. Well, that is my
>> guess.
>
> It all depends on how easy it will be to set up a machine the way one
> wants it to be. The package choices the SLES10 offers are not bad. But
> then, while one will find whatever packages typical for desktop
> systems, some packages are missing that are useful on a server. Like
> pine, wireshark, or the lynx web browser. A text based web browser is
> essential for setting up the update channels at Novell or a CUPS print
> server. And the one that is included in the distribution is a real
> PITA.
>
> Günther

Wireshark is an xwindows KDE program.

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:32:08 +0100
Günther Schwarz wrote:

> houghi wrote:
>
> > Günther Schwarz wrote:
> >> I have no idea why a server distribution comes with X and whatever
> >> at all.
> >
> > Because you have to do something. It is either/or. And it is better
> > to hae people remove stuff they do not need and then misss
> > something, then add stuff they they do need and then miss stuff.
> > Well, that is my guess.
>
> It all depends on how easy it will be to set up a machine the way one
> wants it to be. The package choices the SLES10 offers are not bad. But
> then, while one will find whatever packages typical for desktop
> systems, some packages are missing that are useful on a server. Like
> pine, wireshark, or the lynx web browser. A text based web browser is
> essential for setting up the update channels at Novell or a CUPS print
> server. And the one that is included in the distribution is a real
> PITA.
>
> Günther
Hi
Look at adding the SLE SDK. What about mailx, tcpdump, rug for
adding repos, and then the ncurces yast?

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SLED 10.0 SP1 x86_64 Kernel 2.6.16.54-0.2.5-smp
up 7 days 1:39, 2 users, load average: 0.30, 0.32, 0.21

Malcolm wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:32:08 +0100
> Günther Schwarz wrote:

>> A text based web browser is
>> essential for setting up the update channels at Novell or a CUPS
>> print server. And the one that is included in the distribution is a
>> real PITA.

> Look at adding the SLE SDK.

IIRC none of the packages I mentioned are included there.

> What about mailx, tcpdump, rug for
> adding repos, and then the ncurces yast?

Actually I'm now using rug for setting up my (local) update channels and
patching. The Novell evaluation support based on a http setup was only
a workaround until the IT guys did install the local repository.

Günther