houghi schrieb am 13.06.2007 18:07:
> s. keeling wrote:
>> Mark Pryor :
>>> here is my draft of the top 5 reasons they don't post using Linux:
>> So, you killfile anyone using OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris,
>> HP-UX, AIX, ...
>>
>> It must be very lonely out there.
>
> His killfile looks like:
>[*]
> Score=-9999
> *

not a bad idea after all, I'll have to adopt it. I'm spending way to
much time on usenet ;-)

Rainer

>
> ;-)
>
> houghi

Peter K??hlmann wrote:
>Paul J Gans wrote:

>> Mark Pryor wrote:
>>>hey,
>>
>>>I'm sure folks have noticed all the questions that come from Windows users
>>>using Windows machines (i.e. Outlook and OE)
>>
>>>here is my draft of the top 5 reasons they don't post using Linux:
>>
>>> 1)they are at work and are forced to use Windows
>>> its not hard to boot using a Live distro like Knoppix and setup knode
>>> Also try setting up Knoppix on USB/flash for speed
>>
>>> 2) they don't know which Apps do NNTP in Linux
>>> try: knode or Pan
>>
>>> 3) they are trolls
>>
>>> 4) they don't think anyone will notice. I do notice and will usually
>>> ignore their questions.
>>
>>> 5) they are faking the headers
>>
>>>Frankly I'm tired of seeing this, but maybe, just maybe, there is a good
>>>reason that they post with Windows.
>>
>> There are no loyalty tests here. We are here to help each
>> other out with OpenSuse linux problems. I don't care what
>> machine folks post from.

>I do, if some dolt uses OE *and* top-posts.
>Using it incorrectly configured (like no indication which character set to
>use, or posting HTML) will not make things better.
>If he also mangles the quotes it is a complete show-stopper
>Such a guy will never get any answer to his problems from me

He's lucky.


--
--- Paul J. Gans

On 2007-06-21, Jim wrote:
> Mark Pryor came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago
> in alt.os.linux.suse:
>
>> hey,
>>
>> I'm sure folks have noticed all the questions that come from Windows users
>> using Windows machines (i.e. Outlook and OE)
>>
>> here is my draft of the top 5 reasons they don't post using Linux:
>>
>> 1)they are at work and are forced to use Windows
>> its not hard to boot using a Live distro like Knoppix and setup knode
>> Also try setting up Knoppix on USB/flash for speed
>>
>> 2) they don't know which Apps do NNTP in Linux
>> try: knode or Pan
>>
>> 3) they are trolls
>>
>> 4) they don't think anyone will notice. I do notice and will usually
>> ignore their questions.
>>
>> 5) they are faking the headers
>>
>> Frankly I'm tired of seeing this, but maybe, just maybe, there is a good
>> reason that they post with Windows.
>>
>
> I'd go with 3.

I'd say that any and all of the above are possible.

As for the suggestion in #1 to reboot and use a Live CD/DVD, that'll
only work for systems that haven't been locked down so they only boot
from hard drive. And then there's also the case where running
unauthorised software is a breach of the employment contract and a
sackable offence.

As for #2, all they need to do is look in the KDE or Gnome menus to
locate an app that is used to access Usenet.

On to #3. Windows users are the only trolls. Trolls come in all shapes
and sizes, and aren't restricted just to Windows.

And then there's #4. All I can say about this is, if the OP is going to
ignore someone because they are posting using a Windows machine, he may
as well killfile me now. Why? Well, because I regularly use a Windows
system to post. I do, occasionally, use Knode but that's not all that
often. And right now, well you'd have to guess which OS I'm using. It
might be a Windows machine, or it could be a Linux system, or it could be
any of a number of other OSes[0].

Finally, we get to #5. While it does happen[1], I'd guess that it's not
all that common.


[0] Apart from the different versions of SuSE, SUSE and openSUSE, a quick
check of my .sig shows another two. Then there's the version of Windows
that I don't list, and I also don't list the FreeBSD I'm hoping to be
looking at this weekend.

[1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
plausible version numbers as well.

Regards,
David Bolt

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David Bolt wrote:
> [1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
> of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
> plausible version numbers as well.

Forging headers makes you exactly what? Are you thinking it somehow
makes you interesting or someone that would be worth reading?

For what it's worth, you simply reinforce my experience with people who
post with OE.

On Jun 12, 4:23 pm, Mark Pryor wrote:
> hey,
>
> I'm sure folks have noticed all the questions that come from Windows users
> using Windows machines (i.e. Outlook and OE)
>
> here is my draft of the top 5 reasons they don't post using Linux:
>
> 1)they are at work and are forced to use Windows
> its not hard to boot using a Live distro like Knoppix and setup knode
> Also try setting up Knoppix on USB/flash for speed
>
> 2) they don't know which Apps do NNTP in Linux
> try: knode or Pan
>
> 3) they are trolls
>
> 4) they don't think anyone will notice. I do notice and will usually
> ignore their questions.
>
> 5) they are faking the headers
>
> Frankly I'm tired of seeing this, but maybe, just maybe, there is a good
> reason that they post with Windows.
>
> --
> Mark

Well, in my case you could say it was because OpenSUSE won't allow me
to a) use my modem on my laptop and b) won't function with WIFI as
almost all other distros do.
David

stan wrote:
> David Bolt wrote:
>> [1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
>> of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
>> plausible version numbers as well.
>
> Forging headers makes you exactly what? Are you thinking it somehow
> makes you interesting or someone that would be worth reading?

Not forging headers makes you what? As long as you don't forge the
headers of the relevant parts, who realy cares? It is not as if somebody
actualy reads and and does something usefull with them, exept filtering.

> For what it's worth, you simply reinforce my experience with people who
> post with OE.

Must remind me to change my headers again so it looks like I am posting
with 27 different Usenetclients. :-D

houghi
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, stan wrote:-

>David Bolt wrote:
>> [1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
>> of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
>> plausible version numbers as well.
>
>Forging headers makes you exactly what?

Forging headers makes me nothing more than I already am.

>Are you thinking it somehow
>makes you interesting or someone that would be worth reading?

No. What I put into the bodies of an article makes what I type worth
reading. Or maybe not, as the case may be.

>For what it's worth, you simply reinforce my experience with people who
>post with OE.

Well, since I don't use OE, and I can't even remember why I made the
change to slrn[0], you'll have to make do with just relying on the
experience you have with real OE[1] users.

And, just to really annoy, you'll probably find that "experience" is a
little skewed anyway. How do I know that? Well that's because unless
you're looking at the headers for every single article you read, you're
only likely to look at those that are broken, or trollish, and remember
what you see. This would give a negative impression, reinforced each
time you see the same things in the headers. What you won't see are the
numerous posts where the poster _didn't_ make a screwed-up posting, or
was trollish, and so you never bothered to check what they were using.


[0] BTW, you aren't a little p'd off because you use slrn and I used a
recompiled version that added the fake X-Newsreader: header are you?

[1] And, as is always the case, there are some that are actually quite
capable of using OE so as not to top-post, use HTML, or to expose to
Usenet any of the other flaws OE has.

Regards,
David Bolt

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David Bolt wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, stan wrote:-
>
>>David Bolt wrote:
>>> [1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
>>> of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
>>> plausible version numbers as well.
>>
>>Forging headers makes you exactly what?
>
> Forging headers makes me nothing more than I already am.

Hehe. Forging headers is fun.

> [0] BTW, you aren't a little p'd off because you use slrn and I used a
> recompiled version that added the fake X-Newsreader: header are you?

Oh, you naughty, naught boy. :-D


houghi
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sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, houghi wrote:-

>David Bolt wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, stan wrote:-
>>
>>>David Bolt wrote:
>>>> [1] Just search for a few posts made by me with an apparent newsreader
>>>> of Micro$oft Outlook Express. There are a few, and they have some almost
>>>> plausible version numbers as well.
>>>
>>>Forging headers makes you exactly what?
>>
>> Forging headers makes me nothing more than I already am.

I really shouldn't have used the word "forging" as it wasn't. It was a
fake, and an obvious one if someone took the effort to look.

>Hehe. Forging headers is fun.

Only if the faked headers are the unimportant ones. My opinion is that
all the X-*: headers are unimportant and I don't care what they are, or
if they are faked. OTOH, forging the official headers, From: ,
NNTP-Posting-Host: , and a few others, is a no-no and those I won't
touch.

>> [0] BTW, you aren't a little p'd off because you use slrn and I used a
>> recompiled version that added the fake X-Newsreader: header are you?
>
>Oh, you naughty, naught boy. :-D

That's what my wife says as well ;-)


Regards,
David Bolt

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David Bolt wrote:
> Only if the faked headers are the unimportant ones. My opinion is that
> all the X-*: headers are unimportant and I don't care what they are, or
> if they are faked. OTOH, forging the official headers, From: ,
> NNTP-Posting-Host: , and a few others, is a no-no and those I won't
> touch.

Well, DUH. have you looked at my previous posting and the headers there?

houghi
--
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, houghi wrote:-

>David Bolt wrote:
>> Only if the faked headers are the unimportant ones. My opinion is that
>> all the X-*: headers are unimportant and I don't care what they are, or
>> if they are faked. OTOH, forging the official headers, From: ,
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: , and a few others, is a no-no and those I won't
>> touch.
>
>Well, DUH. have you looked at my previous posting and the headers there?

Yes, just a couple of additional ones X- headers. Nothing strange as yet
:-)


Regards,
David Bolt

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DavidW wrote:
> On Jun 12, 4:23 pm, Mark Pryor wrote:
>> hey,
>>
>> I'm sure folks have noticed all the questions that come from Windows users
>> using Windows machines (i.e. Outlook and OE)
>>
>> here is my draft of the top 5 reasons they don't post using Linux:
>>
>> 1)they are at work and are forced to use Windows
>> its not hard to boot using a Live distro like Knoppix and setup knode
>> Also try setting up Knoppix on USB/flash for speed
>>
>> 2) they don't know which Apps do NNTP in Linux
>> try: knode or Pan
>>
>> 3) they are trolls
>>
>> 4) they don't think anyone will notice. I do notice and will usually
>> ignore their questions.
>>
>> 5) they are faking the headers
>>
>> Frankly I'm tired of seeing this, but maybe, just maybe, there is a good
>> reason that they post with Windows.
>>
>> --
>> Mark
>
> Well, in my case you could say it was because OpenSUSE won't allow me
> to a) use my modem on my laptop and b) won't function with WIFI as
> almost all other distros do.
> David
>
Can't we all just get along???

rac

houghi wrote:
> Rainer Latka wrote:
>> BTW, did you never use the evil empire's operating systems? If yes, did
>> you hope _your_ questions would be answered?
>
> Not only am I using it at mu job. I am going to find a cource for excel
> to follow. At this moment I am already the most knowledgable person, but
> I want to 'excel' further and will be following VBS for excel to make my
> job easier.
>
> On the plus side, I run it on Windows NT and the version is 2000. :-D
>
> houghi
Try this site for Excel help! I use it all the time.

rac

rac wrote:
> houghi wrote:
>> Rainer Latka wrote:
>>> BTW, did you never use the evil empire's operating systems? If yes,
>>> did you hope _your_ questions would be answered?
>>
>> Not only am I using it at mu job. I am going to find a cource for excel
>> to follow. At this moment I am already the most knowledgable person, but
>> I want to 'excel' further and will be following VBS for excel to make my
>> job easier.
>>
>> On the plus side, I run it on Windows NT and the version is 2000. :-D
>>
>> houghi
> Try this site for Excel help! I use it all the time.
>
> rac
Oops my bad!
http://www.cpearson.com/excel.htm

rac

houghi wrote:
> Rainer Latka wrote:
>> BTW, did you never use the evil empire's operating systems? If yes, did
>> you hope _your_ questions would be answered?
>
> Not only am I using it at mu job. I am going to find a cource for excel
> to follow. At this moment I am already the most knowledgable person, but
> I want to 'excel' further and will be following VBS for excel to make my
> job easier.
>
> On the plus side, I run it on Windows NT and the version is 2000. :-D
>
> houghi
Try this site for Excel help.
http://www.cpearson.com/excel.htm

rac

rac wrote:
> Try this site for Excel help.
> http://www.cpearson.com/excel.htm

Thanks. Sometimes it is extremely frustrating to do things, because it
would be so much easier to use bash.
A site I found was http://www.rondebruin.nl/tips.htm

What they find absolutely fascinating is how the numbers look. The
"trick" I use is to first pick soft colour for the cells. Those are the
ones that are on the bottom when picking the colour. For large text I
take some grey, instead of black. Makes it less prominent.

It is amazing how you can pull wool over the eyes of people by a bit of
non standard choices. Takes about 10 minutes extra work to have it
correct. The effect will last much longer, as those are numers I need to
get things done with.

Management will more likely think: He spend so much time on layout and
the numbers _look_ so pretty, he must know what he is talking about. Let
us give him what he asks for, otherwise he thinks we are stupid and he
will know we know jack-**** about the subject.

That is why I like working with numbers. To get the deal done. Some
people work with a hammer. Unfortunatly the tool/scrip I use is less
then ideal, but that is what I have.

I already have one script that I run at home from my job, because I am
unable to do it any other way, because of the limitations you have with
Windows. Can't give up, because the tool sucks.

Nothing native like bash on Windows to do simple tasks, like making a
1200+ page website. The obvious way would be to run the information from
a database, but that is unfortunatly not an option.

But there is an other plus side on running Windows at my job. I do not
have Windows at home and they don't give me a portable. So no way to
work overtime at home. :-D

houghi
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numbers into letters with ASCII and we thought it was a typewriter. Then
we discovered graphics, and we thought it was television. With the World
Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure. -- Douglas Adams.

rac wrote:
> Can't we all just get along???

Where is the fun in that? Just kidding:

___ ____ _____ __ __ ____ _ _ __ __ ___
/ __)( _ \( _ )( )( )( _ \( )_( )( )( )/ __)
( (_-. ) / )(_)( )(__)( )___/ ) _ ( )(__)(( (_-.
\___/(_)\_)(_____)(______)(__) (_) (_)(______)\___/


The above I found with the following and the looking in ~/figlet.txt to
decide what text I like best for this. Next just figlet -f copy and
paste the font and follow it by the word.

#v+
#!/bin/bash
TEXT="Houghi.org"
for I in `locate *.flf`
do
echo "$TEXT in the font $I" >> ~/figlet.txt
figlet -d /usr/share/games/figlet/fonts -f $I $TEXT \
>> ~/figlet.txt
echo ""
done
#v-

houghi
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numbers into letters with ASCII and we thought it was a typewriter. Then
we discovered graphics, and we thought it was television. With the World
Wide Web, we've realized it's a brochure. -- Douglas Adams.