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  1. USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    such a converter?

  2. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Previously Dave Seven wrote:
    > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    > such a converter?


    Not possible without implementing a full bridge. USB needs
    a master on the other side. Such a converter would basically
    need to be a computer that emulates an SATA drive on the other
    side.

    Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
    pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to be
    the size of a small industrial PC. Also expect problems when
    using them.

    Arno

  3. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:50:23 GMT, Dave Seven
    put finger to keyboard and composed:

    >I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    >instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    >would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    >HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    >such a converter?


    Maybe one of your external USB HDDs has a SATA HDD inside, in which
    case you could just buy an external SATA enclosure and transfer one of
    your HDDs to it.

    - Franc Zabkar
    --
    Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

  4. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Dave Seven wrote:
    > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    > such a converter?


    No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
    new enclosure.

    However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
    that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB
    into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA
    already built in.

    usb to sata usb hub
    http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html

    Yousuf Khan

  5. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Yousuf Khan wrote
    > Dave Seven wrote:


    >> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have
    >> 5 external USB HDDs and would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX
    >> for such a converter and can't find one. Is there such a converter?


    > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into
    > the new enclosure.


    Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
    USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not. It wont work if they have
    PATA drives in them and most of the older ones will have PATA drives.

    > However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something that'll convert SATA into USB,


    Its just what external USB HDDs have in them,
    without the box and with an extra passive USB hub.

    > but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB into a SATA.


    No it wont, it only does the other way.

    > Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA already built in.


    That will only work if the existing USB HDDs have SATA drives in them.

    > usb to sata usb hub
    > http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html




  6. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Previously Yousuf Khan wrote:
    > Dave Seven wrote:
    >> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    >> instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    >> would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    >> HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    >> such a converter?


    > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
    > new enclosure.


    > However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
    > that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB
    > into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA
    > already built in.


    > usb to sata usb hub
    > http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html


    > Yousuf Khan


    Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed. USB to SATA
    is very hard and rarely needed.

    Arno

  7. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote in news:67imopF2p0e7bU1@mid.individual.net
    > Previously Dave Seven wrote:
    > > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    > > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    > > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    > > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    > > such a converter?

    >
    > Not possible without implementing a full bridge.


    > USB needs a master on the other side.


    So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.

    > Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
    > emulates an SATA drive on the other side.


    Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
    emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?

    Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
    Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.

    Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
    a whole computer on those SATA drives.

    >
    > Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
    > pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
    > be the size of a small industrial PC.


    Bwahahah.

    > Also expect problems when using them.
    >
    > Arno


  8. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote in news:67kdu6F2obrdeU1@mid.individual.net
    > Previously Yousuf Khan wrote:
    > > Dave Seven wrote:
    > > > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    > > > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    > > > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    > > > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    > > > such a converter?

    >
    > > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    > > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    > > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
    > > new enclosure.

    >
    > > However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
    > > that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB
    > > into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA
    > > already built in.

    >
    > > usb to sata usb hub
    > > http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html

    >
    > > Yousuf Khan

    >
    > Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed.


    > USB to SATA is very hard and rarely needed.


    No, really?

    http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp

    >
    > Arno


  9. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Previously Squeeze wrote:
    > Arno Wagner wrote in news:67imopF2p0e7bU1@mid.individual.net
    >> Previously Dave Seven wrote:
    >> > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    >> > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    >> > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    >> > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    >> > such a converter?

    >>
    >> Not possible without implementing a full bridge.


    >> USB needs a master on the other side.


    > So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.


    True for IDE and SATA, and consequentially the corresponding
    type of converter does not exist for the either. SCSI happens
    to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be master, if
    so inclined. In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer, while USB
    needs one fixed, dedicated master, has a hierachical structure
    and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.

    >> Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
    >> emulates an SATA drive on the other side.


    > Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
    > emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?


    Ahh, roddles the clueless. They are done in this way. But as SCSI
    supports very slow signalling, usually a slow 8 bit SoC is enough.

    > Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
    > Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.


    SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
    bust structure and bus arbitration.

    > Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
    > a whole computer on those SATA drives.


    So?

    >>
    >> Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
    >> pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
    >> be the size of a small industrial PC.


    > Bwahahah.


    As usual: No clue, no arguments that withstand even quick
    scrutiny and a big mouth.

    Arno

  10. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Previously Squeeze wrote:
    > Arno Wagner wrote in news:67kdu6F2obrdeU1@mid.individual.net
    >> Previously Yousuf Khan wrote:
    >> > Dave Seven wrote:
    >> > > I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external HDD
    >> > > instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB HDDs and
    >> > > would rather use one of those than having to buy a new external SATA
    >> > > HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't find one. Is there
    >> > > such a converter?

    >>
    >> > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    >> > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    >> > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
    >> > new enclosure.

    >>
    >> > However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
    >> > that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert a USB
    >> > into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with the eSATA
    >> > already built in.

    >>
    >> > usb to sata usb hub
    >> > http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html

    >>
    >> > Yousuf Khan

    >>
    >> Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed.


    >> USB to SATA is very hard and rarely needed.


    > No, really?


    > http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp


    This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
    the discussion.

    You are clueless as allways, rod.

    Arno

  11. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote
    > Squeeze wrote
    >> Arno Wagner wrote
    >>> Dave Seven wrote


    >>>> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an external
    >>>> HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5 external USB
    >>>> HDDs and would rather use one of those than having to buy a new
    >>>> external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a converter and can't
    >>>> find one. Is there such a converter?


    >>> Not possible without implementing a full bridge.


    >>> USB needs a master on the other side.


    >> So do IDE or SATA or SCSI or... or ... or ... devices, take your pick.


    > True for IDE and SATA, and consequentially the corresponding
    > type of converter does not exist for the either. SCSI happens
    > to be a multi-master bus, where every device can be master, if
    > so inclined. In modern words, SCSI is Peer-to-Peer, while USB
    > needs one fixed, dedicated master, has a hierachical structure
    > and nothing happens without the single, fixed master.


    >>> Such a converter would basically need to be a computer that
    >>> emulates an SATA drive on the other side.


    >> Similarly that IDE to SCSI converters need to be a computer that
    >> emulates a SCSI drive on the other side, babblebot?


    > Ahh, roddles the clueless.


    Thats ****nert, stupid. The use of the word babblebot is a dead giveaway.

    > They are done in this way. But as SCSI supports very
    > slow signalling, usually a slow 8 bit SoC is enough.


    >> Pity that IDE to SCSI converters are available in chip form anyway.
    >> Pity that SATA to IDE converters are available in chip form anyway too.


    > SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
    > bust structure and bus arbitration.
    >
    >> Hey, there's even IDE to SATA converters, imagine that eh, they plonk
    >> a whole computer on those SATA drives.

    >
    > So?
    >
    >>>
    >>> Bottom line: While there may be such converters, expect to
    >>> pay several hundred or more USD/EUR and expect them to
    >>> be the size of a small industrial PC.

    >
    >> Bwahahah.

    >
    > As usual: No clue, no arguments that withstand even quick
    > scrutiny and a big mouth.




  12. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote:
    > Previously Squeeze wrote:
    >> Arno Wagner wrote in news:67kdu6F2obrdeU1@mid.individual.net
    >>> Previously Yousuf Khan wrote:
    >>>> Dave Seven wrote:
    >>>>> I bought an HD PVR and they use a SATA port to connect an
    >>>>> external HDD instead of USB for extra storage space. I have 5
    >>>>> external USB HDDs and would rather use one of those than having
    >>>>> to buy a new external SATA HDD. I looked on NCIX for such a
    >>>>> converter and can't find one. Is there such a converter?
    >>>
    >>>> No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new
    >>>> enclosure with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then
    >>>> you can transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only
    >>>> enclosures into the new enclosure.
    >>>
    >>>> However, there is one solution I've seen. It seems to be something
    >>>> that'll convert SATA into USB, but I'm not sure if it can convert
    >>>> a USB into a SATA. Your best bet is to get a new enclosure with
    >>>> the eSATA already built in.
    >>>
    >>>> usb to sata usb hub
    >>>> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives...h_usb_hub.html
    >>>
    >>>> Yousuf Khan
    >>>
    >>> Unlikely. SATA to USB is easy and oten needed.

    >
    >>> USB to SATA is very hard and rarely needed.

    >
    >> No, really?

    >
    >> http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp

    >
    > This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
    > the discussion.
    >
    > You are clueless as allways, rod.


    You cant even work out who you're talking to.

    Its ****nert, stupid.



  13. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote:

    > SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set,
    > bust structure and bus arbitration.


    Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA
    connection on the external case? I could just buy one of those instead.
    I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.

  14. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Franc Zabkar wrote:

    > Maybe one of your external USB HDDs has a SATA HDD inside, in which
    > case you could just buy an external SATA enclosure and transfer one of
    > your HDDs to it.
    >
    > - Franc Zabkar


    I have one that has two 500GB SATA HDD's in it but that is a retail unit
    that has to stay as it is. The other 4 are units I put together myself
    and all use IDE HDD's.

  15. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Yousuf Khan wrote:

    > No need to buy an entire external HDD system, just buy a new enclosure
    > with an eSATA connector already included on it. And then you can
    > transfer the hard drive inside one of your USB-only enclosures into the
    > new enclosure.


    My HDD's that I can use are all IDE though and that case would require
    SATA HDD, no?

  16. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Rod Speed wrote:

    > Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
    > USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not. It wont work if they have
    > PATA drives in them and most of the older ones will have PATA drives.


    Yea, they are all PATA so nfg. Guess I will have to buy a new eSATA
    external HDD.

  17. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Squeeze wrote:


    > No, really?
    >
    > http://www.addonics.com/products/io/aau2esa.asp



    That device goes SATA to USB and not USB to SATA, as I need.

  18. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Arno Wagner wrote:

    > This device is SATA to USB, not the other way round. Read
    > the discussion.
    >
    > You are clueless as allways, rod.
    >
    > Arno


    Thanks for trying to help Arno even if the trolls are giving you aggro
    for telling me the correct info.

  19. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Dave Seven wrote
    > Arno Wagner wrote


    >> SATA to IDE is simple, because of the same command-set, bust structure and bus arbitration.

    >
    > Are there external HDD cases that convert an IDE HDD to a SATA connection on the external case?


    Nope.

    > I could just buy one of those instead.


    No such animal.

    > I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new external SATA HDD.


    Thats your only viable option.



  20. Re: USB external HDD convert to SATA possible?

    Dave Seven wrote
    > Rod Speed wrote


    >> Whether that works or not depends on whether the existing external
    >> USB HDDs have sata drives in them or not. It wont work if they have
    >> PATA drives in them and most of the older ones will have PATA drives.


    > Yea, they are all PATA so nfg. Guess I will have to buy a new eSATA external HDD.


    Yep.



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