spamassassin 3.2.4-2, debian package. I'm getting occasional errors about
missing utf8.pl file:

plugin: eval failed: Can't locate utf8.pm in @INC (@INC contains:
/usr/share/perl5 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8
/usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at
/usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 732, line 1293.

BEGIN failed--compilation aborted, line 1293.

I have truly no idea where the problem is. Any ideas?

> spamassassin 3.2.4-2, debian package. I'm getting
> occasional errors about missing utf8.pl file:
>
> plugin: eval failed: Can't locate utf8.pm in @INC (@INC
> contains: /usr/share/perl5 /etc/perl
> /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8
> /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8
> /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at
> /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 732,
> line 1293.
>
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted, line 1293.
>
> I have truly no idea where the problem is. Any ideas?

$ locate utf8.pl
/usr/share/mysql/mysql-test/suite/funcs_2/lib/gen_charset_utf8.pl

No idea. I have no idea what utf8.pl is..

> > spamassassin 3.2.4-2, debian package. I'm getting
> > occasional errors about missing utf8.pl file:
> >
> > plugin: eval failed: Can't locate utf8.pm in @INC (@INC
> > contains: /usr/share/perl5 /etc/perl
> > /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8
> > /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8
> > /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at
> > /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 732,
> > line 1293.
> >
> > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted, line 1293.
> >
> > I have truly no idea where the problem is. Any ideas?

On 07.06.08 10:56, Jari Fredriksson wrote:
> $ locate utf8.pl
> /usr/share/mysql/mysql-test/suite/funcs_2/lib/gen_charset_utf8.pl
>
> No idea. I have no idea what utf8.pl is..

% locate utf8.pm
/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/DBM_Filter/utf8.pm
/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
% dlocate /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
perl-base: /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm

seems to be from perl, at least from debian's perl package... Which perl
version do you have installed?

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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

> % locate utf8.pm
> /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/DBM_Filter/utf8.pm
> /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
> % dlocate /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
> perl-base: /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
>
> seems to be from perl, at least from debian's perl package... Which perl
> version do you have installed?

5.10.0-10 from current testing repository. Well, there is such file:

/usr/share/perl/5.10.0/utf8.pm

But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's probably the
reason. How to tell perl (or spamassassin?) to include
/usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8
paths. I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will work as a
temporary solution.
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> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>
> >% locate utf8.pm
> >/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/DBM_Filter/utf8.pm
> >/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
> >% dlocate /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
> >perl-base: /usr/share/perl/5.8.8/utf8.pm
> >
> >seems to be from perl, at least from debian's perl package... Which perl
> >version do you have installed?

On 07.06.08 11:56, Micha³ Jêczalik wrote:
> 5.10.0-10 from current testing repository. Well, there is such file:
>
> /usr/share/perl/5.10.0/utf8.pm
>
> But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's probably the
> reason. How to tell perl (or spamassassin?) to include
> /usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8
> paths. I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will work as a
> temporary solution.

Haven't you upgraded perl w/o reinstalling spamassassin? Or, doesn't
spamassassin use old version of libperl?
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

>> But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's probably the
>> reason. How to tell perl (or spamassassin?) to include
>> /usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8
>> paths. I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will work as a
>> temporary solution.
>
> Haven't you upgraded perl w/o reinstalling spamassassin? Or, doesn't
> spamassassin use old version of libperl?

Both spamassassin and perl packages came directly from debian
repositories. I didn't touch them. Probably it's some inconsistency among
debian packages. Anyway, my symlink didn't work well, because I made a
typo, but now I fixed it and we'll see...

Michal

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>> But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's probably the
>> reason. How to tell perl (or spamassassin?) to include
>> /usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8
>> paths. I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will work as a
>> temporary solution.
>
> Haven't you upgraded perl w/o reinstalling spamassassin? Or, doesn't
> spamassassin use old version of libperl?


OK, now I have a symlink and there's another problem:

plugin: eval failed: Undefined subroutine utf8::SWASHGET called at
/usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line 732

Aaargh, I guess somebody at debian developers team did not coordinated
perl and spamassassin packages somehow, but don't know why and how to fix
it. ;(

> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>>> But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's
>>> probably the reason. How to tell perl (or
>>> spamassassin?) to include /usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in
>>> @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8 paths.
>>> I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will
>>> work as a temporary solution.
>>
>> Haven't you upgraded perl w/o reinstalling spamassassin?
>> Or, doesn't spamassassin use old version of libperl?
>
>
> OK, now I have a symlink and there's another problem:
>
> plugin: eval failed: Undefined subroutine utf8::SWASHGET
> called at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/HTML.pm line
> 732
>
> Aaargh, I guess somebody at debian developers team did
> not coordinated perl and spamassassin packages somehow,
> but don't know why and how to fix it. ;(

$ perl --version

This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi

Copyright 1987-2006, Larry Wall


Debian Etch with backports here. Dunno where did you get that perl 5.10 ???

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Jari Fredriksson wrote:

>> Aaargh, I guess somebody at debian developers team did
>> not coordinated perl and spamassassin packages somehow,
>> but don't know why and how to fix it. ;(
>
> $ perl --version
>
> This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
>
> Copyright 1987-2006, Larry Wall
>
>
> Debian Etch with backports here. Dunno where did you get that perl 5.10 ???

samotnia:~# perl --version

This is perl, v5.10.0 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi

;-)

samotnia:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://ftp.task.gda.pl/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing
testing/security-updates main contrib non-free


Nothing above that. Just plain 'testing' depository updates. Maybe it's
too much for a production system, but it worked quite good for a couple of
years so far.
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> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>
> >>But spamassassin tries to find it in 5.8.8. And that's probably the
> >>reason. How to tell perl (or spamassassin?) to include
> >>/usr/share/perl/5.10.0 in @INC as well? Now this variable has only 5.8.8
> >>paths. I've created a symlink 5.8.8 -> 5.10.0, maybe it will work as a
> >>temporary solution.
> >
> >Haven't you upgraded perl w/o reinstalling spamassassin? Or, doesn't
> >spamassassin use old version of libperl?

On 07.06.08 16:58, Micha³ Jêczalik wrote:
> Both spamassassin and perl packages came directly from debian
> repositories. I didn't touch them. Probably it's some inconsistency among
> debian packages. Anyway, my symlink didn't work well, because I made a
> typo, but now I fixed it and we'll see...

if you are running testing of unstable versions of debian, or use backports,
you must expect that. Wait for a few days, maybe new packages appear and
problem wil be fixed. You are always welcome to re-build spamassassin
yourself.

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On 07.06.08 16:58, Micha³ Jêczalik wrote:
> To: Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org

And, please, do NOT send me private copies. I do not need nor want them.

If I wouldn't read this list, I would not answer your message because I
wouldn't know about it.

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Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote (to someone else):

> And, please, do NOT send me private copies. I do not need nor want them.


I noticed I have to keep editing the To field every time I reply.
Why doesn't the list insert a Reply-to directing replies to the list?

It does have a Mail-Followup-To field, a proposal from 1997 that was not
included in RFC 2822 in 2001, so not surprisingly clients don't know
they should use it. If it was "standardized" in the last couple of
years I expect someone here to educate me :-)


Joseph Brennan
Columbia University Information Technology

>
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote (to someone else):
>
>> And, please, do NOT send me private copies. I do not need nor want them.
>
>
> I noticed I have to keep editing the To field every time I reply.
> Why doesn't the list insert a Reply-to directing replies to the list?

Reply-To considered harmful: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
And still considered harmful:
http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/repl...l-harmful.html

-- Matthias

Matthias Leisi wrote:
> Reply-To considered harmful: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
> And still considered harmful:
> http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/repl...l-harmful.html

Yeah, well, "Considered Harmful" essays are also considered harmful:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html

Let's remember that these essays are matters of individual opinion, not
statements of indisputable truth handed down from on high.

--
Kelson Vibber
SpeedGate Communications

Kelson wrote:
> Yeah, well, "Considered Harmful" essays are also considered harmful:
> http://meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html

It was inevitable that the format would be used on itself.

> Let's remember that these essays are matters of individual opinion, not
> statements of indisputable truth handed down from on high.

They are still useful just the same. They are like FAQ documents.
They inform and educate up to the present level of understanding of
the issues involved in the problem. Since the Internet has no memory
these are useful to hold the collective wisdom learned so far.

Bob

> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote (to someone else):
>
> >And, please, do NOT send me private copies. I do not need nor want them.

On 09.06.08 09:45, Joseph Brennan wrote:
> I noticed I have to keep editing the To field every time I reply.
> Why doesn't the list insert a Reply-to directing replies to the list?
>
> It does have a Mail-Followup-To field, a proposal from 1997 that was not
> included in RFC 2822 in 2001, so not surprisingly clients don't know
> they should use it. If it was "standardized" in the last couple of
> years I expect someone here to educate me :-)

It's bad that so many clients don't support mailing lists in any way.

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On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 09:45 -0400, Joseph Brennan wrote:
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote (to someone else):
>
> > And, please, do NOT send me private copies. I do not need nor want them.

ACK.

> I noticed I have to keep editing the To field every time I reply.

Please change to a sane MUA ...

> Why doesn't the list insert a Reply-to directing replies to the list?

.... because your MUA should have a "List-Reply" feature/button/...

> It does have a Mail-Followup-To field, a proposal from 1997 that was not

And that is good. "Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful" was already
mentioned.

Bernd
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On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:55 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Kelson wrote:
> > Yeah, well, "Considered Harmful" essays are also considered harmful:
> > http://meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html
>
> It was inevitable that the format would be used on itself.

Of course. People should use more "on itself" - a lot of crap would
simply vanish.

> > Let's remember that these essays are matters of individual opinion, not
> > statements of indisputable truth handed down from on high.

Of course not.

> They are still useful just the same. They are like FAQ documents.

ACK.

Bernd
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