On 18 Aug 2007, Robert Fitzpatrick spake thusly:

> On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 15:14 +0100, Nix wrote:
>> On 17 Aug 2007, Robert Fitzpatrick verbalised:
>> > Worms and spam have made it impossible for users to use their own
>> > personal mail servers.

>> Really? Fascinating, I'm doing the impossible. I had no idea.

> Correction, normal novice users that don't have to bargain with ISP's or
> know anything about spam techniques.


> It is only a matter of time before
> somebody blocks you, if they haven't already. Botnet is designed to
> combat you.

Er, no, Botnet should be designed to combat *spammers*. If it's actually
designed to combat clued non-spammers, then anyone deploying it is a

Thankfully this doesn't actually seem to be the case.

>> Mine blocks until you prove you're competent (or post a bond: I did the
>> former) and gets really pissed if you then turn into a spamming monster.
>> It seems to work.

> And you really want to deal with your ISP instead of using a valid mail
> server?

I do use a `valid mail server'. It just isn't provided by my ISP (they
don't actually provide one other than a low-priority inbound MX in case
I have major line problems). This is a reasonably common setup among
ISPs for clued users in the UK.

> How do you handle rDNS?

Competent ISPs give you rDNS. (Really good ones delegate your rDNS to