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Bill Landry wrote:
> Marc Perkel wrote the following on 7/12/2007 7:19 PM -0800:
>
>> Meng Weng Wong wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Marc Perkel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Need a rule written to take advantage of this trick and this could
>>>> be a major breakthrough in white listing.
>>>>
>>>> Here's what it needs to do:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Take the IP of the connecting host and do an RDNS lookup to get
>>>> the name.
>>>> 2) Verify that the name that was looked up resolves to the same IP
>>>> address.
>>>> 3) Look up the name in this dns list ===
>>>> example.com.hostdomain.junkemailfilter.com
>>>> 4) if it returns 127.0.0.1 - it's ham
>>>>
>>> I'd like to suggest that where the domain publishes SPF, we use that;
>>> where it doesn't, we use your algorithm.
>>>
>>> I recently coded up a very similar approach; I posted about it on the
>>> SPF and Karmasphere mailing lists. Here is the original message:
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> SPF is rather useless. Spammers can publish SPF records.
>>

> Hmmm, and that said in response to the author of SPF... Oops!
>
>
>


Good - I hope he's listening. SPF was an interesting attempt at
something but it breaks email forwarding unless you mangle the headers.
i've spent many hours trying to figure out some use for SPF and have
found no use for it at all. In fact all it's lead to is false positives
as I forward email to other hosts who reject it because of SPF failures.

There's lots of ideas I've had too that have gone nowhere and when I
figure out that I'm on the wrong track and what I'm trying to do just
isn't working then I give it up. So - Meng - why don't you just give it
up on SPF and quit wasing everyone's time on a broken idea.

I appreciate you effort in this but lets come up with something useful.
If you give up SPF I will give you and PoBox some anti-spam technology
that will revolutionize your spam filtering. I'm just tired of having to
deal with the bad side effects of SPF and expainging to people that the
can't use my spam filtering unless they turn SPF off.




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Bill Landry wrote:

Marc Perkel wrote the following on 7/12/2007 7:19 PM -0800:



Meng Weng Wong wrote:


On Jul 12, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Marc Perkel wrote:



Need a rule written to take advantage of this trick and this could
be a major breakthrough in white listing.

Here's what it needs to do:

1) Take the IP of the connecting host and do an RDNS lookup to get
the name.
2) Verify that the name that was looked up resolves to the same IP
address.
3) Look up the name in this dns list ===
example.com.hostdomain.junkemailfilter.com
4) if it returns 127.0.0.1 - it's ham


I'd like to suggest that where the domain publishes SPF, we use that;
where it doesn't, we use your algorithm.

I recently coded up a very similar approach; I posted about it on the
SPF and Karmasphere mailing lists. Here is the original message:




SPF is rather useless. Spammers can publish SPF records.


Hmmm, and that said in response to the author of SPF...  Oops!






Good - I hope he's listening. SPF was an interesting attempt at
something but it breaks email forwarding unless you mangle the headers.
i've spent many hours trying to figure out some use for SPF and have
found no use for it at all. In fact all it's lead to is false positives
as I forward email to other hosts who reject it because of SPF failures.



There's lots of ideas I've had too that have gone nowhere and when I
figure out that I'm on the wrong track and what I'm trying to do just
isn't working then I give it up. So - Meng - why don't you just give it
up on SPF and quit wasing everyone's time on a broken idea.



I appreciate you effort in this but lets come up with something useful.
If you give up SPF I will give you and PoBox some anti-spam technology
that will revolutionize your spam filtering. I'm just tired of having
to deal with the bad side effects of SPF and expainging to people that
the can't use my spam filtering unless they turn SPF off.










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