> Sendmail burps: "My unqualified host name (/host/) unknown; sleeping for
> retry unable to qualify my own domain name (/host/) -- using short name"

> The fix is to add the FQDN to /etc/hosts.
>
> No. Don't like that fix _one_ bit.
>
> /etc/hosts:
> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost

127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
A.B.C.D host.domain host

For more information on this subject consult the 'hosts(4)' manualpage.
Naturally its optional to define the localhost as loghost, but IMO its a more
cleanly solution.

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Lion-O wrote:

>>Sendmail burps: "My unqualified host name (/host/) unknown; sleeping for
>>retry unable to qualify my own domain name (/host/) -- using short name"
>
>
>>The fix is to add the FQDN to /etc/hosts.
>>
>>No. Don't like that fix _one_ bit.
>>
>>/etc/hosts:
>> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost
>
>
> 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
> A.B.C.D host.domain host
>
> For more information on this subject consult the 'hosts(4)' manualpage.
> Naturally its optional to define the localhost as loghost, but IMO its a more
> cleanly solution.
>
I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is
set in /etc/hosts.

From my initial post:
> It stops local mail being delivered, with: "host.domain. config error:
> mail loops back to me (MX problem?)"

Laying out the hosts file as you've suggested is pretty, but has sod all
to do with the problem. (And yes, I did check, on the off chance.)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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In article <439f2oF1mkmq4U1@individual.net>,
Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>It stops local mail being delivered, with: "host.domain. config error:
>mail loops back to me (MX problem?)"

Is host.domain in /etc/mail/local-host-names?

John
groenveld@acm.org

John D Groenveld wrote:

> In article <439f2oF1mkmq4U1@individual.net>,
> Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>
>>It stops local mail being delivered, with: "host.domain. config error:
>>mail loops back to me (MX problem?)"
>
>
> Is host.domain in /etc/mail/local-host-names?
>
No, it wasn't.

Added it, still get loop error.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> John D Groenveld wrote:
>> Is host.domain in /etc/mail/local-host-names?
>>
> No, it wasn't.
>
> Added it, still get loop error.

did you restart or HUP'd sendmail after editing local-host-names?

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:30:20 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

> This is sort of a reprise of a question asked earlier in c.u.s, but with
> more stuff going wrong.
>
> Sendmail burps: "My unqualified host name (/host/) unknown; sleeping
> for retry unable to qualify my own domain name (/host/) -- using short
> name"
>
> The fix is to add the FQDN to /etc/hosts.
>
> No. Don't like that fix _one_ bit.
>
> /etc/hosts:
> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost

Add it to /etc/inet/ipodes as well


>
> It stops local mail being delivered, with: "host.domain. config error:
> mail loops back to me (MX problem?)"
>
> The mail message gets bounced with:
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>
> (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 553 5.3.5 host.domain. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
> 554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
>
> What have I _not_ done that needs to be done?
>
> Cheers,
> Gary B-)

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Okay, it must be something to do with having someone to administer
systems for me for the last five years, or else I'm getting senile...

Added host.domain to /etc/hosts
Added host.domain to /etc/mail/local-host-names
Added host.domain to /etc/inet/ipnodes

# pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!

Local mail delivery now works!

Thank you all.

(Now, to work out what my next questions will be... Sneak preview -
something about IMAP servers and, perhaps, replacements for same)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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>>>/etc/hosts:
>>> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost

>> 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
>> A.B.C.D host.domain host

> I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
> which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is set in
> /etc/hosts.

The simple fact that your format example was wrong?

From the hosts(4) manpage: "IP-address official-host-name nicknames..." where
you used "IP-address nickname official-host-name".

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Lion-O wrote:
>>>>/etc/hosts:
>>>> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost
>
>
>>>127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
>>>A.B.C.D host.domain host
>
>
>>I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
>>which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is set in
>>/etc/hosts.
>
>
> The simple fact that your format example was wrong?
>
> From the hosts(4) manpage: "IP-address official-host-name nicknames..." where
> you used "IP-address nickname official-host-name".
>
No, it doesn't, and never has, worked quite that way. There is nothing
special about the position on the line of the FQDN. I remembered that
much, at least.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:58:15 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

> Okay, it must be something to do with having someone to administer
> systems for me for the last five years, or else I'm getting senile...
>
Nah /etc/inet/ipnodes is more recent than that, and hopefully it will go
away soon :-)

> Added host.domain to /etc/hosts
> Added host.domain to /etc/mail/local-host-names
> Added host.domain to /etc/inet/ipnodes
>
> # pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!
>

Sol10, learn to use svcadm restart :-)

> Local mail delivery now works!
>
> Thank you all.
>
> (Now, to work out what my next questions will be... Sneak preview -
> something about IMAP servers and, perhaps, replacements for same)
>
> Cheers,
> Gary B-)

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not every one is friendly"
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Bruce Porter wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:58:15 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>>Okay, it must be something to do with having someone to administer
>>systems for me for the last five years, or else I'm getting senile...
>>
>
> Nah /etc/inet/ipnodes is more recent than that, and hopefully it will go
> away soon :-)
>
>
>>Added host.domain to /etc/hosts
>>Added host.domain to /etc/mail/local-host-names
>>Added host.domain to /etc/inet/ipnodes
>>
>># pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!
>>
>
>
> Sol10, learn to use svcadm restart :-)
>
Alright, alright... Sometime this millennium I'll have a try and reading
the svcadm man page. Or is it a book on docs.sun.com I should read? :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Lion-O wrote:
>
> 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
> A.B.C.D host.domain host
>

Hi all,

Is placing loghost on the loopback interface's line legal and/or
proper? In both hosts and ipnodes? I can't remember where I read
it (and it's too early on a Sunday morning to take on the Solaris IP
Administration tome... ;-) but I thought that loghost was intended
to go on the line that's the machine's (non-loopback) IP address.
Being able to put loghost on the loopback line's entry would help
admin tasks for multiple machines that use only hosts and ipnodes.


Thanks,
Dave

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:19:43 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

> Bruce Porter wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:58:15 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Okay, it must be something to do with having someone to administer
>>>systems for me for the last five years, or else I'm getting senile...
>>>
>>
>> Nah /etc/inet/ipnodes is more recent than that, and hopefully it will go
>> away soon :-)
>>
>>
>>>Added host.domain to /etc/hosts
>>>Added host.domain to /etc/mail/local-host-names
>>>Added host.domain to /etc/inet/ipnodes
>>>
>>># pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sol10, learn to use svcadm restart :-)
>>
> Alright, alright... Sometime this millennium I'll have a try and reading
> the svcadm man page. Or is it a book on docs.sun.com I should read? :-)
>


Start here

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/smf/

Which leads here

http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/...uickstart.html

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>>>>127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
>>>>A.B.C.D host.domain host
>>
>>
>>>I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
>>>which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is set in
>>>/etc/hosts.
>>
>>
>> The simple fact that your format example was wrong?
>>
>> From the hosts(4) manpage: "IP-address official-host-name nicknames..." where
>> you used "IP-address nickname official-host-name".
>>
> No, it doesn't, and never has, worked quite that way. There is nothing
> special about the position on the line of the FQDN. I remembered that
> much, at least.

That heavily depends on what utilities you used.

IMO this is like saying that certain code isn't wrong because gcc accepts it.
Yes, it might but gcc is allowing itself some very wide standards as to what is
acceptable and what is not. I guess you're one of those persons who'd blame cc
for not compiling certain code. Oh well, guess we'll never agree on this,
untill you finally pick up that non-compilable piece of code.

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:21:06 +1100 "Gary R. Schmidt" wrote:
> Lion-O wrote:
>>>>>/etc/hosts:
>>>>> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost
>>
>>>>127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
>>>>A.B.C.D host.domain host
>>
>>>I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
>>>which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is set in
>>>/etc/hosts.
>> The simple fact that your format example was wrong?
>> From the hosts(4) manpage: "IP-address official-host-name
>> nicknames..." where
>> you used "IP-address nickname official-host-name".
>>
> No, it doesn't, and never has, worked quite that way. There is
> nothing special about the position on the line of the FQDN. I
> remembered that much, at least.

You remembered incorrectly.

-frank

Frank Cusack wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:21:06 +1100 "Gary R. Schmidt" wrote:
>
>>Lion-O wrote:
>>
>>>>>>/etc/hosts:
>>>>>> A.B.C.D host host.domain loghost
>>>
>>>>>127.0.0.1 localhost loghost
>>>>>A.B.C.D host.domain host
>>>
>>>>I'm sorry, but what do you think this has to do with the actual problem,
>>>>which is that sendmail will _not_ deliver local mail when the FQDN is set in
>>>>/etc/hosts.
>>>
>>>The simple fact that your format example was wrong?
>>>From the hosts(4) manpage: "IP-address official-host-name
>>>nicknames..." where
>>>you used "IP-address nickname official-host-name".
>>>
>>
>>No, it doesn't, and never has, worked quite that way. There is
>>nothing special about the position on the line of the FQDN. I
>>remembered that much, at least.
>
>
> You remembered incorrectly.
>
Which variant(s) did it have meaning on?

(Of course, it'll be the ones that I never used in an internet
environment, so or _course_ I I won't have remembered them.)

But I really would like to know.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Lion-O wrote:
[SNIP]
>>No, it doesn't, and never has, worked quite that way. There is nothing
>>special about the position on the line of the FQDN. I remembered that
>>much, at least.
>
>
> That heavily depends on what utilities you used.
>
> IMO this is like saying that certain code isn't wrong because gcc accepts it.
> Yes, it might but gcc is allowing itself some very wide standards as to what is
> acceptable and what is not. I guess you're one of those persons who'd blame cc
> for not compiling certain code. Oh well, guess we'll never agree on this,
> untill you finally pick up that non-compilable piece of code.
>
This is drawing a very long bow, indeed.

Rather than introducing an analogy ("gcc accepts non-portable code") at
the start, you should list some of the utilities which fail(ed) when
confronted with a non-ordered line in /etc/hosts. Then you introduce
the analogy.

As I can't recall coming across one in the last 20-odd years, possibly
because most of the systems were _not_ on the internet, and therefore
did not have FQDNs, I may simply have slid past the requirement without
noticing it.

So, what utilities on what variant(s) had this requirement?

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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Bruce Porter wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:58:15 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

>> # pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!
>>
>
> Sol10, learn to use svcadm restart :-)

the old "/etc/init.d/sendmail start|stop|restart" still works
(it calls svcadm)

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:38:14 -0500, Oscar del Rio wrote:

> Bruce Porter wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:58:15 +1100, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>
>>> # pkill -1 sendmail # This was the bit I'd forgotten!!
>>>
>>
>> Sol10, learn to use svcadm restart :-)
>
> the old "/etc/init.d/sendmail start|stop|restart" still works
> (it calls svcadm)

Thats not learning though

And it will change in the future

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