On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:29:48 +0200, Joerg
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>just installed firefox 3 from current and found that the
>new "Applications" tab in "Preferences" is empty, so no change
>of applications preferences is possible. Apparently the panel is
>empty because there is a dependency to gnome-vfs. Can anybody
>confirm this?
>
>TIA
>Joerg
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Hi,

copy the file, with Firefox not running, 'mimeTypes.rdf' from your FF
2.x profile to your FF 3.0 profile, and restart FF 3.0

This should do the trich, I hope:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/MimeTypes.rdf

I cann't test it for you because I have no associations between
filetypes and applications neither in FF 2.x, nor in FF 3.0

Manuel Otto wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:29:48 +0200, Joerg
> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>just installed firefox 3 from current and found that the
>>new "Applications" tab in "Preferences" is empty, so no change
>>of applications preferences is possible. Apparently the panel is
>>empty because there is a dependency to gnome-vfs. Can anybody
>>confirm this?
>>
>>TIA
>>Joerg
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>
> Hi,
>
> copy the file, with Firefox not running, 'mimeTypes.rdf' from
> your FF 2.x profile to your FF 3.0 profile, and restart FF 3.0
>
> This should do the trich, I hope:
>
> http://kb.mozillazine.org/MimeTypes.rdf
>
> I cann't test it for you because I have no associations between
> filetypes and applications neither in FF 2.x, nor in FF 3.0

No, I already created a new mimeTypes.rdf. There are quite a few
messages in the forums , indicating that firefox 3 has now some
gnome dependencies. See

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=46470

and there are similar messages on the Kubuntu/Xbuntu foren, where
the fix is to install the gnome-support package. Now I find this
hard to believe, therefor I wonder if somebody has got the
appliations preferences working.

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:13:06 +0200, Joerg
wrote:

>Manuel Otto wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:29:48 +0200, Joerg
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>just installed firefox 3 from current and found that the
>>>new "Applications" tab in "Preferences" is empty, so no change
>>>of applications preferences is possible. Apparently the panel is
>>>empty because there is a dependency to gnome-vfs. Can anybody
>>>confirm this?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>Joerg
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>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> copy the file, with Firefox not running, 'mimeTypes.rdf' from
>> your FF 2.x profile to your FF 3.0 profile, and restart FF 3.0
>>
>> This should do the trich, I hope:
>>
>> http://kb.mozillazine.org/MimeTypes.rdf
>>
>> I cann't test it for you because I have no associations between
>> filetypes and applications neither in FF 2.x, nor in FF 3.0
>
>No, I already created a new mimeTypes.rdf. There are quite a few
>messages in the forums , indicating that firefox 3 has now some
>gnome dependencies. See
>
>http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=46470

It had Gnome dependancy for as long as I can remember, which made it
look really ugly in KDE, so I use
http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gtk-qt-engine&sv= this.

Surprised to read that there's new issues with Gnome things.

>and there are similar messages on the Kubuntu/Xbuntu foren, where
>the fix is to install the gnome-support package. Now I find this
>hard to believe, therefor I wonder if somebody has got the
>appliations preferences working.

I see. Hope you get responses which solve the problem.

>Joerg

Manuel

Manuel Otto wrote:
> It had Gnome dependancy for as long as I can remember, which made it
> look really ugly in KDE, so I use
> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gtk-qt-engine&sv= this.

that doesn't sound like a gnome dependency but a gtk dependency. gnome may
use gtk but gtk is not part of gnome. xfce for instance also uses it.


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Joost Kremers wrote:

> Manuel Otto wrote:
>> It had Gnome dependancy for as long as I can remember, which
>> made it look really ugly in KDE, so I use
>> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gtk-qt-engine&sv= this.
>
> that doesn't sound like a gnome dependency but a gtk dependency.
> gnome may use gtk but gtk is not part of gnome. xfce for
> instance also uses it.
>

Yes, I think that too. In the meantime I completly removed my
~/.mozilla dir and still no showing of application preferences,
even after copying my old mimeTypes.rdf to the new profile.
Usually that would be no big deal, there's always about:config
but if firefox 3 really has some gnome dependencies, it would
mean, all gnome free distros have either to distribute a crippled
version of firefox, or have to maintain some gnome-support
packages. Or the mozilla people will distribute firefox in two
flavours, like opera does with qt. I still find it hard to
believe, I hope it's just something in my setup. Not that I'm a
big fan of firefox, but it would mean another step to the
ubuntufication of GNU/Linux.

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On 20 Jun 2008 07:32:50 GMT, Joost Kremers
wrote:

>Manuel Otto wrote:
>> It had Gnome dependancy for as long as I can remember, which made it
>> look really ugly in KDE, so I use
>> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gtk-qt-engine&sv= this.
>
>that doesn't sound like a gnome dependency but a gtk dependency. gnome may
>use gtk but gtk is not part of gnome. xfce for instance also uses it.

I didn'y know that... I thought if builded with Gnome ToolKit, it
means it depands on (part of) gnome.

Thanks for explaining.

Manuel Otto wrote:
> I didn'y know that... I thought if builded with Gnome ToolKit, it
> means it depands on (part of) gnome.

that would indeed make sense, but gtk stands for gimp toolkit, not gnome
toolkit. ;-)


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On 20 Jun 2008 18:48:39 GMT, Joost Kremers
wrote:

>Manuel Otto wrote:
>> I didn'y know that... I thought if builded with Gnome ToolKit, it
>> means it depands on (part of) gnome.
>
>that would indeed make sense, but gtk stands for gimp toolkit, not gnome
>toolkit. ;-)

Makes me laugh! I think I just learned it the wrong way from reading
the Web, cause I'm not the only one who got it wrong:

http://www.google.com/search?q=gtk+%...&oe=utf-8&aq=t

= ;-))

Joost Kremers wrote :

> that doesn't sound like a gnome dependency but a gtk dependency. gnome may
> use gtk but gtk is not part of gnome. xfce for instance also uses it.

I've installed Firefox-3 from tarball on my Slackware 12.0 system, and
if I create a new user and run Firefox for the very first time from
Konsole this happen:

The "Accept our ****ing terms" splash screen comes up and after
accepting the terms this error message shows:

$ firefox

(firefox-bin:12858): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly
output. the offending font is 'Arial Not-Rotated 12'

(firefox-bin:12858): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly
output. the offending font is 'Arial Not-Rotated 12.0029296875'
/usr/lib/firefox-3.0/crashreporter: error while loading shared
libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file
or directory

And then it crashes. Another User has been running Firefox since install
time and here it doesn't crash, but in KDE the Firefox icon stays active
for more than a minute indicating a problem.

What a shame, Firefox was a great browser and I really cant see any
reason to change it into a Gnome application.

What will replace Firefox in the next Slackware release? Opera, or maybe
Konqueror from the new KDE 4 is able to take over.
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:21:25 +0200, Thomas Overgaard
wrote:

>
>Joost Kremers wrote :
>
>> that doesn't sound like a gnome dependency but a gtk dependency. gnome may
>> use gtk but gtk is not part of gnome. xfce for instance also uses it.
>
>I've installed Firefox-3 from tarball on my Slackware 12.0 system, and
>if I create a new user and run Firefox for the very first time from
>Konsole this happen:
>
>The "Accept our ****ing terms" splash screen comes up and after
>accepting the terms this error message shows:
>
>$ firefox
>
>(firefox-bin:12858): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly
>output. the offending font is 'Arial Not-Rotated 12'
>
>(firefox-bin:12858): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly
>output. the offending font is 'Arial Not-Rotated 12.0029296875'
>/usr/lib/firefox-3.0/crashreporter: error while loading shared
>libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file
>or directory
>
>And then it crashes. Another User has been running Firefox since install
>time and here it doesn't crash, but in KDE the Firefox icon stays active
>for more than a minute indicating a problem.
>
>What a shame, Firefox was a great browser and I really cant see any
>reason to change it into a Gnome application.
>
>What will replace Firefox in the next Slackware release? Opera, or maybe
>Konqueror from the new KDE 4 is able to take over.

I have none of these problems, but then I never wait till the official
package is there, I just download the binary from mozilla, and unpack
it to /usr/lib (same loacation as what the official Slackware package
would unpack to).

I *really* don't like the way it looks cause it's build with gtk only
(if I'm right).

So I use
http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12...gtk-qt-engine/

and experiment a little bit with what font and font sizes, to make it
behave like the rest of my KDE, then I have no problems...

I don't like Konqueror for Internet, I don't like Opera.

This might help? (Though not a solution to the errors).

Thomas Overgaard wrote:
> (firefox-bin:12858): Pango-WARNING **: shape engine failure, expect ugly
> output. the offending font is 'Arial Not-Rotated 12.0029296875'
> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/crashreporter: error while loading shared
> libraries: libgconf-2.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory
>
> And then it crashes.

i'm running firefox 3 from tarball on two slackware 12.0 systems, and it
works fine on both. note that the libgconf-dependency is not reported by
firefox itself, but by a program in the firefox dir called crashreporter.
while that might be considered dubious as well, firefox itself doesn't seem
to have any dependencies that a standard slackware install does not
provide.

> Another User has been running Firefox since install
> time and here it doesn't crash, but in KDE the Firefox icon stays active
> for more than a minute indicating a problem.

you do seem to have a problem, but i doubt it has to do with gnome
dependencies.

> What a shame, Firefox was a great browser and I really cant see any
> reason to change it into a Gnome application.

neither can i. and i don't think it's happening just yet. ;-)


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Manuel Otto wrote :

> I have none of these problems, but then I never wait till the official
> package is there, I just download the binary from mozilla, and unpack
> it to /usr/lib (same loacation as what the official Slackware package
> would unpack to).
>
Thats exactly what I did too.

Then I ran 'ldd /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox-bin' and it showed me some
missing dependencies and that Firefox relayed pretty much on
Seamonkey. So I added the line "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0" to /etc/ld.so.conf
before the Seamonkey line and ran 'ldconfig'.

Now the output of 'ldd' seems fine, and Joost you are right 'ldd' shows
its the chrashreporter thats an gnome application.

Then I tested Firefox and found that there was no java, so I added a
symlink /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so ->
/usr/lib/jre1.6.0_02/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so

I think this is the way to install Firefox but maybe I've triggered a
bug.

> I *really* don't like the way it looks cause it's build with gtk only
> (if I'm right).
>
Check out a ftp server to see something ugly.
>
> I don't like Konqueror for Internet, I don't like Opera.
>
I was using Konqueror before Firefox because I felt Netscape was to big
and slow and I was using Opera back in my W4WG-3.11 days.

But it seems like we are having a rainy day around here so maybe its
about time to upgrade to Slackware 12.1 and see how Firefox 3 runs on a
clean Slackware system.
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Thomas Overgaard wrote:
> Then I ran 'ldd /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox-bin' and it showed me some
> missing dependencies and that Firefox relayed pretty much on
> Seamonkey. So I added the line "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0" to /etc/ld.so.conf
> before the Seamonkey line and ran 'ldconfig'.

if you unpack the firefox tar ball from the mozilla site and then run ldd
on firefox-bin, it does indeed report several missing libraries. but all
those are in the same directory firefox-bin is in. i didn't need to add
anything to ld.so.conf, firefox finds these libraries automatically.

i unpacked the tar ball in /usr/local, creating the directory
/usr/local/firefox. then all i did was make a sym-link from
/usr/local/bin/firefox to /usr/local/firefox/firefox and that's it.


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>> but in KDE the Firefox icon stays active for more than a minute indicating a problem.

I have also this problem but i don't use the package of Slackware. I
have create my own package. (with firefox 2.0.x idon't have this problem)

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:37:57 +0200, Thomas Overgaard
wrote:

>
>Manuel Otto wrote :
>
>> I have none of these problems, but then I never wait till the official
>> package is there, I just download the binary from mozilla, and unpack
>> it to /usr/lib (same loacation as what the official Slackware package
>> would unpack to).
>>
>Thats exactly what I did too.
>
>Then I ran 'ldd /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox-bin' and it showed me some
>missing dependencies and that Firefox relayed pretty much on
>Seamonkey. So I added the line "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0" to /etc/ld.so.conf
>before the Seamonkey line and ran 'ldconfig'.

I never ran ldd on firefox (cause I had no trubbles), but now that I
do, ldd reports many missing libraries on *both* FF 2.0.0.14 and FF
3.0

All those libraries are found in FF dir, and FF seems to have no
trubble with that.

>Now the output of 'ldd' seems fine, and Joost you are right 'ldd' shows
>its the chrashreporter thats an gnome application.

If I delete the crashreporter files, FF still runs fine, even seems to
be a bit faster.

If I remember well, in previous versions the crashreporter was
installed as an extension in /usr.lib/firefox/extensions, and was not
needed for normal operation. In Windows there was an option during
Install, Advanced to not install the crashreporter.

>Then I tested Firefox and found that there was no java, so I added a
>symlink /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so ->
>/usr/lib/jre1.6.0_02/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so

Java is a third-party plugin which is not needed by Firefox at all, as
a matter of fact I have it disabled 99.99 % of the time, and only
enable it when I have to my online banking.

I still use 'Plugin Manager, a' FF extension to enable/disable my
plugins, as I found that the plugin tab in 'Add-ons' sometimes shows
the active plugins, and the next time it doesn't, or shows only 1 of
2. It's not reiable.

http://www.gozer.org/mozilla/extensions/

>I think this is the way to install Firefox but maybe I've triggered a
>bug.
>
>> I *really* don't like the way it looks cause it's build with gtk only
>> (if I'm right).
>>
>Check out a ftp server to see something ugly.

?

>> I don't like Konqueror for Internet, I don't like Opera.
>>
>I was using Konqueror before Firefox because I felt Netscape was to big
>and slow and I was using Opera back in my W4WG-3.11 days.

A question of pesonal preference maybe.

>But it seems like we are having a rainy day around here so maybe its
>about time to upgrade to Slackware 12.1 and see how Firefox 3 runs on a
>clean Slackware system.

Wish you luck!

Joost Kremers wrote:

> Thomas Overgaard wrote:
>> Then I ran 'ldd /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/firefox-bin' and it showed
>> me some missing dependencies and that Firefox relayed pretty
>> much on Seamonkey. So I added the line "/usr/lib/firefox-3.0"
>> to /etc/ld.so.conf before the Seamonkey line and ran
>> 'ldconfig'.
>
> if you unpack the firefox tar ball from the mozilla site and
> then run ldd on firefox-bin, it does indeed report several
> missing libraries. but all those are in the same directory
> firefox-bin is in. i didn't need to add anything to ld.so.conf,
> firefox finds these libraries automatically.
>
> i unpacked the tar ball in /usr/local, creating the directory
> /usr/local/firefox. then all i did was make a sym-link from
> /usr/local/bin/firefox to /usr/local/firefox/firefox and that's
> it.
>
>

Do you have anything in Preferences->Applications?

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Joerg wrote:
> Joost Kremers wrote:
>> i unpacked the tar ball in /usr/local, creating the directory
>> /usr/local/firefox. then all i did was make a sym-link from
>> /usr/local/bin/firefox to /usr/local/firefox/firefox and that's
>> it.
>
> Do you have anything in Preferences->Applications?

nope, can't say that i do. ;-) though i never had any in ff 2, save for
those that i added myself.


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On Jun 23, 2:20*pm, Joost Kremers wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
> > Joost Kremers wrote:
> >> i unpacked the tar ball in /usr/local, creating the directory
> >> /usr/local/firefox. then all i did was make a sym-link from
> >> /usr/local/bin/firefox to /usr/local/firefox/firefox and that's
> >> it.
>
> > Do you have anything in Preferences->Applications?
>
> nope, can't say that i do. ;-) though i never had any in ff 2, save for
> those that i added myself.
>
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I am having the same problem on Slackware 12.1 with Firefox3. Nothing
is listed in the Preferences -> Applications panel.

Where does the data which populates that list come from? I built and
installed orbit2, gconf, gnome-mime-data, and gnome-vfs, and still
nothing displays in that panel.

Furthermore, Thunderbird no longer opens when I click on a mailto:
URL. This worked fine in Firefox2 with "network.protocol-
handler.app.mailto" set to "/usr/bin/thunderbird".

I provide the Firefox3 package on Linuxpackages.net, and would
appreciate some answers to this problem.

Thanks,

Ken Zalewski

ken.zalewski@gmail.com wrote:

>> > Do you have anything in Preferences->Applications?
>>
>> nope, can't say that i do. ;-) though i never had any in ff 2,
>> save for those that i added myself.
>>
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>
> I am having the same problem on Slackware 12.1 with Firefox3.
> Nothing is listed in the Preferences -> Applications panel.
>

It seems to be not only a slackware problem, it looks all distros
w/o gnome support are affected (or at least it looks like that
from what I gathered so far from the net).

> Where does the data which populates that list come from? I
> built and installed orbit2, gconf, gnome-mime-data, and
> gnome-vfs, and still nothing displays in that panel.
>

According to a mail from an ArchLinux forum, firefox needs to be
build with --enable-gnome-vfs, to show application preferences
(see http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=46470), but
probably you did that already.

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