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  1. The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    The Korporate Desktop Environment (KDE)

    "KDE« and the K Desktop Environment« logo are registered trademarks of KDE e.V."

    (see the bottom of just about every page at http://www.kde.org, which should
    be ...kde.com, but they are wolves in sheep's clothing)

    KDE (etc.) exists because there is a strong element of
    commercially-motivated traitors to the Linux (free and
    open-source software) movement who are interested in quantity
    rather than quality.

    They want lots of people using Linux, and they want them
    to be dumb and dependent appliance operators who don't
    understand Linux, but just understand the highly-limited
    user interface they have created.

    So that interface is a clone of the Windows user interface.

    They don't want to scare people away by requiring them to learn
    anything new. Especially, they don't want them learning the
    shell, which would allow them to dispense with KDE and therefore
    disrupt their plans for the future of Linux, which I assure you
    does not include open source and free software. Such things
    are the enemies of the profit-motivated corporations.

    Support KDE and you are supporting the eventual end lf Linux
    as free and open source software. Already, there has been one
    attempt by a major software corporation to get the courts to
    make Linux runners to pay royalties to them. It made the
    mainstream media a few years ago.

    The supporters of KDE, which includes a lot of Linux 'gurus'
    who now want to be paid yuppy salaries for their work, want
    you to believe that there are only two choices: KDE or
    spending your life typing in long commands at a shell prompt
    with no graphical capability.

    That's bull****. I am running X and a window manager here, and
    use a state-of-the-art graphical browser and any other X apps
    I want to. And I rarely type commands that are longer than two
    characters.

    That's because all the common commands I use are aliased to short
    strings: When I want to bring up firefox, I just enter "ff".
    I can do that faster than you can click a cutesy icon with a
    mouse...

    And its because I have a simple bash menu tree, open in another
    window, that has all of the commands that I use less frequently
    available at the selection of a number.

    I'm no guru. I can barely script. And I can do anything that
    KDE can do using a fraction of the system resources that that
    monstrosity requires.

    A lot of lazy Windows addicts who want to run Linux but don't
    want to learn Linux (KDE/Gnome runners) are going to post a bunch
    of **** in response to this post, and the dimwit, motormouthed
    trolls will have a field day.

    All such posts will simply be dumped. Names that are new to me
    will be checked out at the advanced search utility at google
    groups. If I accidentally read a few **** posts, you'll never
    know it because I won't reply.

    Throw off the greedy corporations and the Linux traitors! Learn
    the basics of bash and the commandline. It's easy and it's FUN.
    Save Linux!

    There's nothing special about KDE. It's just a bunch of
    applications knitted together by a menu tree with a lot eye
    candy. Things don't go better with Coke and they don't
    go better with KDE.

    Tom

    --
    calhobbit
    at gee mail dot com


  2. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    I understand that you do not like KDE, but why are you not mentioning
    GNOME? Do you think that GNOME is better?

    i

  3. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus28017 wrote:
    > I understand that you do not like KDE, but why are you not mentioning
    > GNOME? Do you think that GNOME is better?


    GNOME is a bit of a fiasco. Even Pat believes so, which is one reason
    why he dropped it from Slackware. If you feel compelled to use a
    full-blown desktop environment, KDE (and all associated libraries) is
    easier to install than GNOME. As far as using, I don't use either very
    much, but when I do I have a slight preference to KDE. I definitely
    prefer kdm to gdm, though that's a very small component of those
    environments.

    --keith

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  4. ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus28017 wrote:
    > I understand that you do not like KDE, but why are you not mentioning
    > GNOME? Do you think that GNOME is better?
    >


    Greetings Ignoramus28017 (I typed that with a straight face. Are there really that
    many ignoramuses on the Usenet? :-\)

    Gnome's basically the same thing. It's included under "etc." :-) They may be less
    commercially-motivated at present, but that path leads to the same place, unavoidably.

    I run what I call ODE, the Optimal Desktop Environment,

    Ode: A lyric poem, usually expressing exalted emotion in a complex scheme of rhyme and meter.

    In the X environment I use the ratpoison window manager. In the console environment, GNU screen.
    (Ratpoison is an X-clone of screen, so it's very easy to switch, and they both allow you to
    login into another computer running X or screen and run it is if you were there.)

    They are both minimalist applications with common depencies that are very easy to use. Each
    is about 1/2M.

    With ODE, _you_ choose the apps you want to run, not some geeks at Gnome or KDE or freedesktop.org.
    If you want to run kstars, for example, do it. It doesn't need KDE....

    When ratpoison comes up here, there are two 'workspaces', which are kept seperate. Each has a number
    of full-screen windows running various apps, from simple xterms on up.

    Switching workspaces and screens is really simple. Just takes a couple of keystrokes.

    On one screen I am running tethereal, which shows me what's happenning on my eth0 interface. Here's
    an excerpt:

    11828.371704 66.233.63.67 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 61090 Destination port: 2222
    11828.489650 74.61.134.100 -> 74.61.143.255 UDP Source port: 6646 Destination port: 6646
    11829.175584 66.233.60.105 -> 66.233.63.255 UDP Source port: 6646 Destination port: 6646
    11829.397477 64.13.18.213 -> 64.13.19.255 UDP Source port: 6646 Destination port: 6646
    11829.397640 74.61.141.130 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 55221 Destination port: 2222
    11830.333142 64.13.19.118 -> 255.255.255.255 DHCP DHCP Inform - Transaction ID 0x5cfd0707
    11832.039336 66.233.54.171 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 52470 Destination port: 2222
    11832.152179 66.233.48.180 -> 255.255.255.255 UDP Source port: 1809 Destination port: 1211
    11834.845454 66.233.61.138 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 64963 Destination port: 2222
    11835.376612 66.233.56.126 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 54555 Destination port: 2222
    11835.451892 74.61.129.194 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 50488 Destination port: 2222
    11836.915705 74.61.133.28 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 49715 Destination port: 2222
    11838.229200 74.61.136.26 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 51891 Destination port: 2222
    11838.764092 64.13.17.141 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 61807 Destination port: 2222
    11839.888891 74.61.139.127 -> 74.61.143.255 RIPv2 Response
    11839.986244 66.233.51.0 -> 66.233.63.255 UDP Source port: 6646 Destination port: 6646
    11841.520439 66.233.59.231 -> 66.233.63.255 RIPv1 Response
    11842.245048 74.61.139.100 -> 74.61.143.255 UDP Source port: 6646 Destination port: 6646
    11842.791405 66.233.58.213 -> 255.255.255.255 ENIP Source port: 56452 Destination port: 2222

    On another, I am running slrn (newsreader) and mutt (mail client). On another I have firefox
    up. On another, system info:


    total used free shared buffers cached
    Mem: 116 97 19 0 0 42
    -/+ buffers/cache: 53 63
    Swap: 188 0 188


    inet addr: [deleted] Bcast: [deleted] Mask:255.255.240.0
    inet6 addr: [deleted] Scope:Link

    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/hda1 9.2G 5.5G 3.3G 64% /
    /dev/hdc 638M 638M 0 100% /cdrom

    top - 21:45:36 up 1 day, 9:49, 12 users, load average: 0.42, 0.19, 0.12
    Tasks: 74 total, 1 running, 73 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
    Cpu(s): 2.9%us, 1.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.9%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
    Mem: 119768k total, 99796k used, 19972k free, 904k buffers
    Swap: 192772k total, 0k used, 192772k free, 43768k cached

    PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
    15821 hokomo 18 0 4756 2100 1544 S 0.0 1.8 0:00.16 slrn -C- -f /home/hokomo/.jnewsrc-aioe
    15910 hokomo 15 0 4628 2676 1648 S 0.0 2.2 0:00.44 vi /home/hokomo/.followup
    18791 hokomo 17 0 5016 2404 1496 S 0.0 2.0 0:00.03 mutt
    18837 hokomo 17 0 2692 1356 1028 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.02 /bin/sh /usr/bin/firefox
    18848 hokomo 25 0 2732 1384 1016 S 0.0 1.2 0:00.02 /bin/sh /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.4/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.4/firefox-bin
    18853 hokomo 15 0 101m 24m 14m S 0.0 21.0 0:03.08 /usr/lib/firefox-2.0.0.4/firefox-bin
    31712 root 15 0 1680 228 152 S 0.0 0.2 0:00.45 dhcpcd -d

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    In another window I run an address book with calendar in an
    editor and on another, a menu. Here's an excpert from the menu:

    [1] exit -- or Ctrl-c
    [2] edit menu (same window) -- restart for changes to take effect
    [3] dhcpd howto in links (new window)
    [4] edit ratpoisonrc (new window)
    [5] ratpoison manual in links (new window)
    [6] links manual in links (new window)
    [7] * Net Apps

    (the asterisk indicates a submenu)

    Only the simplest of scripts using common utilities are needed for all of this. The system
    info script uses the 'watch' utility. (normally operating daemons and apps are not displayed)

    I'm happy to share any of the scripts with anyone. I run an ftp server for file transfers,
    disliking to use mail attachments. It's not up all the time. Email me for access.

    But this is just my version of ODE. You make it like you want it.

    Tom

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    calhobbit
    at gee mail dot com


  5. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:01:12 +0100, Tom N wrote:

    > On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus28017
    > wrote:
    >> I understand that you do not like KDE, but why are you not mentioning
    >> GNOME? Do you think that GNOME is better?
    >>
    >>

    > Greetings Ignoramus28017 (I typed that with a straight face. Are there
    > really that many ignoramuses on the Usenet? :-\)
    >


    [snip]

    >
    > total used free shared buffers
    > cached
    > Mem: 116 97 19 0 0
    > 42 -/+ buffers/cache: 53 63 Swap: 188
    > 0 188
    >
    >
    > inet addr: [deleted] Bcast: [deleted] Mask:255.255.240.0
    > inet6 addr: [deleted] Scope:Link
    >
    > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1
    > 9.2G 5.5G 3.3G 64% / /dev/hdc 638M 638M 0 100%
    > /cdrom
    >
    > top - 21:45:36 up 1 day, 9:49, 12 users, load average: 0.42, 0.19,
    > 0.12 Tasks: 74 total, 1 running, 73 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0
    > zombie Cpu(s): 2.9%us, 1.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.9%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi,
    > 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 119768k total, 99796k used, 19972k free,
    > 904k buffers Swap: 192772k total, 0k used, 192772k free,
    > 43768k cached
    >


    [snip]

    >
    > But this is just my version of ODE. You make it like you want it.
    >
    > Tom


    With those resources I wouldn't run KDE, either.

    I used to feel the same way. I switched around between xfce, fluxbox,
    etc. I started out using fvwm. Now, I figure I have the system
    resources, why the heck not use them? Maybe I'm just getting old. I
    like KDE.

    BTW, the last Windows version I used was 3.1, when I switched to
    Slackware 3.3, so I hope you won't be calling me a lazy Windows addict.
    (That was quite a mind bending experience but worth the effort.)

    And, BTW, using only 2-character commands aliased to application names
    doesn't exactly make you a shell user, if you ask me, so, if I was you, I
    wouldn't be going around talking about people who want to run Linux but
    don't want to learn it. Methinks you don't know what you don't know.


  6. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    While I have not used KDE, I think that you are missing the point of
    GNOME: there are many functions of it that simplify managing the
    system. Examples are NetworkManager applet that lets your laptop
    connect to Internet networks, mounting various pluggable drives on the
    filesystem, etc.

    I have a very long background with writing and running scripts, having
    used Linux since 1995. So I am not by any means opposed to scripts. I
    have 528 personal scripts, not counting stuff written for various
    separate projects. I also have 362 bash aliases.

    i

  7. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    Tom N (tom@somewhere.invalid) writes:
    > The Korporate Desktop Environment (KDE)
    >
    > "KDE« and the K Desktop Environment« logo are registered trademarks of KDE e.V."
    >

    And once again, since in true troll-like you continue with this, even
    cross-posting it, "Linux" itself is a trademark.

    Once upon a time it wasn't trademarked. Someone on the periphery then
    trademarked it, and started to charge people for its use. That came
    to the attention of some who weren't that interested in trademarks, and
    they worked to get the trademark transferred to an umbrella group that
    would take care of the trademark.

    If you weren't lazy, you could look up the specific details, which I
    have read but not recently. We shouldn't have to do your research for
    you.

    So Linux itself has an "evil trademark" because the alternative was someone
    else exploiting it.

    I think if you went through all the distributions, you'd discover that
    all the ones that are reasonably visible have had their name trademarked.

    Hence the fact that KDE is trademarked means nothing in itself.

    Michael

  8. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus17333 wrote:
    > While I have not used KDE, I think that you are missing the point of
    > GNOME: there are many functions of it that simplify managing the
    > system. Examples are NetworkManager applet that lets your laptop
    > connect to Internet networks, mounting various pluggable drives on the
    > filesystem, etc.
    >
    > I have a very long background with writing and running scripts, having
    > used Linux since 1995. So I am not by any means opposed to scripts. I
    > have 528 personal scripts, not counting stuff written for various
    > separate projects. I also have 362 bash aliases.


    Then you know that "NetworkManager" could be written in bash as
    well as in C++ or GTK or TCL or whatever Gnome uses, and that
    this bash script would require a fraction of the system resources
    to run and be infinitely easier to modify, if needed.

    The original "wizards" were shell scripts. Still a lot of those
    around, like Slackware's netconfig and Debian's pppconfig.. And
    that's all they still are: Scripts with a lot of eye-candy and a
    fancy name thrown in, to wow the peasants.

    echo "Hellow World"

    works just as well as the compiled C version. And can be changed
    to echo "Hello Universe" by any Linux runner in a blink...


    Tom

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    calhobbit
    at gee mail dot com


  9. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    Tom N wrote:
    >
    > I run what I call ODE, the Optimal Desktop Environment,
    >


    Christ, you are Alan Connor! Actually, I think I first remember you
    as Bruce Burhans (I believe that was back in the day when you used to
    use the 5 line signature). Now I get it - you finally figured out
    how to configure X, so now you have moved on from your TUI (Text
    User Interface) to ETUI (Enhanced Text User Interface), or maybe it is
    TUIUX (Text User Interface Under X).

    At least you have not been completely useless this time around - I didn't
    know about the shift key thing with copy/past.

    OK Dan, I was a bit slow this time around. Usually, Bruce is a lot easier
    for me to spot. But, I have been ignoring most of the long rambling posts
    when they start up - that is my excuse.

    - Kurt

  10. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    Keith Keller wrote:
    >
    > GNOME is a bit of a fiasco. Even Pat believes so, which is one reason
    > why he dropped it from Slackware. If you feel compelled to use a
    > full-blown desktop environment, KDE (and all associated libraries) is
    > easier to install than GNOME. As far as using, I don't use either very
    > much, but when I do I have a slight preference to KDE. I definitely
    > prefer kdm to gdm, though that's a very small component of those
    > environments.


    I don't run KDE, but I find many of the KOffice, and other apps, to be
    very good.

    - Kurt

  11. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, ~kurt wrote:
    > Tom N wrote:
    >>
    >> I run what I call ODE, the Optimal Desktop Environment,
    >>

    >
    > Christ, you are Alan Connor! Actually, I think I first remember you
    > as Bruce Burhans (I believe that was back in the day when you used to
    > use the 5 line signature). Now I get it - you finally figured out
    > how to configure X, so now you have moved on from your TUI (Text
    > User Interface) to ETUI (Enhanced Text User Interface), or maybe it is
    > TUIUX (Text User Interface Under X).
    >
    > At least you have not been completely useless this time around - I didn't
    > know about the shift key thing with copy/past.
    >
    > OK Dan, I was a bit slow this time around. Usually, Bruce is a lot easier
    > for me to spot. But, I have been ignoring most of the long rambling posts
    > when they start up - that is my excuse.
    >
    > - Kurt


    Darn. I've been unmasked by a genius who takes Dan C(unt) seriously.

    Whatever am I going to do now? My life is over. The end is nigh.

    ~kurt? Get out of my newsreader and stay out.

    If anything I post bothers you, feel free to **** yourself in the
    asshole you talk out of and tell someone else about how good it
    feels.

    Where do all these idiots come from? Is ~kurt yet another psuedonym
    of Dan C(unt)'s? Who cares? Another fool posting garbage that I don't
    read, and no rational adult takes seriously, is hardly going to pose
    any problems for me. The Usenet seems to breed this type like a rotting
    carcass breeds maggots.

    None of them can do anything but sit on their fat asses and run their
    punk mouths while they hide behind the Internet.

    Tom

    --
    calhobbit
    at gee mail dot com


  12. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    ~kurt wrote:

    > I don't run KDE, but I find many of the KOffice, and other apps, to be
    > very good.


    I think a lot of people do that. I settled on XFCE several years ago, but
    start it up with KDE services, and I regularly use Knode, Amarok, K3B,
    Konqueror (for some file management stuff), and Kspread (for
    quick-and-dirty spreadsheets, because it starts up faster than Open
    Office). Nothing against KDE. I used it for quite a while, and still look
    at it after every upgrade. Before that, I used Blackbox for a good while,
    and fvwm before that. XFCE is just a comfortable fit for me.

    --
    Old Man

    "Swagger isn't courage." Lee Iacocca

  13. Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE

    On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:59:55 +0100, Tom N wrote:

    > The Korporate Desktop Environment (KDE)
    >
    > "KDE® and the K Desktop Environment® logo are registered trademarks of
    > KDE e.V."
    >
    > (see the bottom of just about every page at http://www.kde.org, which
    > should be ...kde.com, but they are wolves in sheep's clothing)
    >
    > KDE (etc.) exists because there is a strong element of
    > commercially-motivated traitors to the Linux (free and open-source
    > software) movement who are interested in quantity rather than quality.
    >
    > They want lots of people using Linux, and they want them to be dumb and
    > dependent appliance operators who don't understand Linux, but just
    > understand the highly-limited user interface they have created.
    >
    > So that interface is a clone of the Windows user interface.
    >
    > They don't want to scare people away by requiring them to learn anything
    > new. Especially, they don't want them learning the shell, which would
    > allow them to dispense with KDE and therefore disrupt their plans for
    > the future of Linux, which I assure you does not include open source and
    > free software. Such things are the enemies of the profit-motivated
    > corporations.
    >
    > Support KDE and you are supporting the eventual end lf Linux as free and
    > open source software. Already, there has been one attempt by a major
    > software corporation to get the courts to make Linux runners to pay
    > royalties to them. It made the mainstream media a few years ago.
    >
    > The supporters of KDE, which includes a lot of Linux 'gurus' who now
    > want to be paid yuppy salaries for their work, want you to believe that
    > there are only two choices: KDE or spending your life typing in long
    > commands at a shell prompt with no graphical capability.
    >
    > That's bull****. I am running X and a window manager here, and use a
    > state-of-the-art graphical browser and any other X apps I want to. And I
    > rarely type commands that are longer than two characters.
    >
    > That's because all the common commands I use are aliased to short
    > strings: When I want to bring up firefox, I just enter "ff". I can do
    > that faster than you can click a cutesy icon with a mouse...
    >
    > And its because I have a simple bash menu tree, open in another window,
    > that has all of the commands that I use less frequently available at the
    > selection of a number.
    >
    > I'm no guru. I can barely script. And I can do anything that KDE can do
    > using a fraction of the system resources that that monstrosity requires.
    >
    > A lot of lazy Windows addicts who want to run Linux but don't want to
    > learn Linux (KDE/Gnome runners) are going to post a bunch of **** in
    > response to this post, and the dimwit, motormouthed trolls will have a
    > field day.
    >
    > All such posts will simply be dumped. Names that are new to me will be
    > checked out at the advanced search utility at google groups. If I
    > accidentally read a few **** posts, you'll never know it because I won't
    > reply.
    >
    > Throw off the greedy corporations and the Linux traitors! Learn the
    > basics of bash and the commandline. It's easy and it's FUN. Save Linux!
    >
    > There's nothing special about KDE. It's just a bunch of applications
    > knitted together by a menu tree with a lot eye candy. Things don't go
    > better with Coke and they don't go better with KDE.
    >
    > Tom


    I wish the GPL/FOSS demagogues would disappear. They are as stupid and
    ignorant as Islamic fundamentlists.

  14. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, Tom N wrote:
    > On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus17333 wrote:
    >> While I have not used KDE, I think that you are missing the point of
    >> GNOME: there are many functions of it that simplify managing the
    >> system. Examples are NetworkManager applet that lets your laptop
    >> connect to Internet networks, mounting various pluggable drives on the
    >> filesystem, etc.
    >>
    >> I have a very long background with writing and running scripts, having
    >> used Linux since 1995. So I am not by any means opposed to scripts. I
    >> have 528 personal scripts, not counting stuff written for various
    >> separate projects. I also have 362 bash aliases.

    >
    > Then you know that "NetworkManager" could be written in bash as
    > well as in C++ or GTK or TCL or whatever Gnome uses, and that
    > this bash script would require a fraction of the system resources
    > to run and be infinitely easier to modify, if needed.


    I actually tried it. Wrote a script to make my laptop connect to the
    best network, in my home, work, at friends etc. Ethernet, wifi, etc.

    In the end, I spent a lot of efforts, and ended up with something that
    was usable most of the time, except when it was not usable, but
    NetworkManager works a lot better.

    NetworkManager works on my kid's laptop with 256MB of RAM and 850 MHz
    CPU.

    i

    > The original "wizards" were shell scripts. Still a lot of those
    > around, like Slackware's netconfig and Debian's pppconfig.. And
    > that's all they still are: Scripts with a lot of eye-candy and a
    > fancy name thrown in, to wow the peasants.
    >
    > echo "Hellow World"
    >
    > works just as well as the compiled C version. And can be changed
    > to echo "Hello Universe" by any Linux runner in a blink...
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >


  15. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus17333 wrote:
    > On 2008-01-26, Tom N wrote:
    >> On 2008-01-26, Ignoramus17333 wrote:
    >>> While I have not used KDE, I think that you are missing the point of
    >>> GNOME: there are many functions of it that simplify managing the
    >>> system. Examples are NetworkManager applet that lets your laptop
    >>> connect to Internet networks, mounting various pluggable drives on the
    >>> filesystem, etc.
    >>>
    >>> I have a very long background with writing and running scripts, having
    >>> used Linux since 1995. So I am not by any means opposed to scripts. I
    >>> have 528 personal scripts, not counting stuff written for various
    >>> separate projects. I also have 362 bash aliases.

    >>
    >> Then you know that "NetworkManager" could be written in bash as
    >> well as in C++ or GTK or TCL or whatever Gnome uses, and that
    >> this bash script would require a fraction of the system resources
    >> to run and be infinitely easier to modify, if needed.

    >
    > I actually tried it. Wrote a script to make my laptop connect to the
    > best network, in my home, work, at friends etc. Ethernet, wifi, etc.
    >
    > In the end, I spent a lot of efforts, and ended up with something that
    > was usable most of the time, except when it was not usable, but
    > NetworkManager works a lot better.
    >
    > NetworkManager works on my kid's laptop with 256MB of RAM and 850 MHz
    > CPU.
    >


    Well, the script obviously needs some work. The fault is yours, not
    bash's. You know that. Why do I need to state the obvious?

    The people who wrote "NetworkManager" know more about what's involved
    here than you do. They could just as well have used bash as whatever
    they used. Or perl or python or ruby...

    Tom



  16. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)


    From google groups, advanced group search:

    Results 1 - 5 of 5 from Dec 1, 2007 to Jan 26, 2008 for author:GTK2

    All on widely divergent groups.

    Troll.

    I won't be reading his post or any replies to it, now and forever.


    Tom



  17. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:00:17 +0100, Tom N wrote:

    >> OK Dan, I was a bit slow this time around. Usually, Bruce is a lot easier
    >> for me to spot. But, I have been ignoring most of the long rambling posts
    >> when they start up - that is my excuse.


    > Darn. I've been unmasked by a genius who takes Dan C seriously.
    > Whatever am I going to do now? My life is over.


    Please, Bob, let this be true.


    --
    "Tom N" - the latest nymshift of "Alan Connor".
    Read more about the netkook Alan Connor here:
    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/fga.shtml


  18. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:01:12 +0100, Tom N wrote:

    > I run what I call ODE, the Optimal Desktop Environment,


    Is that what the alien spacemen who abducted you run? Did you copy it
    from them while you were in the spaceship?

    Friggin whacko.

    --
    "Tom N" - the latest nymshift of "Alan Connor".
    Read more about the netkook Alan Connor here:
    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/fga.shtml


  19. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:20:23 -0600, Dan C wrote:

    > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:00:17 +0100, Tom N wrote:
    >
    >>> OK Dan, I was a bit slow this time around. Usually, Bruce is a lot
    >>> easier for me to spot. But, I have been ignoring most of the long
    >>> rambling posts when they start up - that is my excuse.

    >
    >> Darn. I've been unmasked by a genius who takes Dan C seriously.
    >> Whatever am I going to do now? My life is over.

    >
    > Please, Bob, let this be true.


    )

    -----
    Imagine a man
    Not a child of any revolt
    But a man of today feeling new

    Imagine a soul
    So old it it is broken
    And you know your invention is you

    And you will see the end
    -----

  20. Re: ODE (was: Re: The Korporate Desktop Environment -- KDE)

    On 2008-01-26, Tom N wrote:
    >
    > From google groups, advanced group search:
    >
    > Results 1 - 5 of 5 from Dec 1, 2007 to Jan 26, 2008 for author:GTK2
    >
    > All on widely divergent groups.
    >
    > Troll.
    >
    > I won't be reading his post or any replies to it, now and forever.
    >
    >
    > Tom


    What the hell is the troll formula here?

    Only five posts in seven weeks. Four of the posts to the same group not
    "widely divergent" groups!!!

    What the hell is the troll formula here??

    ken


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