Tom N wrote:

> There's a sticker on the back that says "Gateway 300S PRB PC". I googled
> for it and just found some irrelevant stuff on a mailing list, but it is
> very possible, even obvious :-) that you are better with google than I
> am.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Tom

Did you try site:support.gateway.com 300s in google?

The closest I could find without you serial number is a 300s ltd.
http://support.gateway.com/support/s...?sn=0024938999

Are the connectors three different colors for the three connectors?
http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...51108113.shtml

If that is not close enough go to http://support.gateway.com and put you
serial number in there and it should give you similar results.


--
Ed

On 2007-11-23, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
> Tom N wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Start down that path with a computer and pretty soon
>> you have five gigabytes of software devoted to analyzing every
>> packet that comes and goes out and constantly scanning
>> your files and using up RAM.
>>
>> All of it written by near-paranoids ... who are so obsessed with
>> fighting Evil Crackers that they can justify any clandestine invasion
>> of your privacy, ...
>

Hello Sylvain.

(That's a very interesting and poetical name. Must mean something like
"man of the forest".)

> Usually not: most of that stuff is written by near-clever business people
> (or programmers hired by near-clever business people) with an obsession
> for dipping into the wallets of an as large portion of the mass-population
> as possible. The stuff about "fighting Evil Crackers" is, of course,
> simply marketing and PR. Their primary concern is "moving product".
> If the product happens to help keep a few computer systems from being
> compromised even once, well that's just good PR, isn't it?

Lot of sense in that. I understand that many of the 'security experts'
are former crackers, so they certainly didn't have much in the way
of morals to start with.

I figured it was a scam. In fact, I suspected that the virus/worm
mass attacks that I've read about were initiated by the same people
who were selling the software to combat them.

Pays to note that Microsoft has no problems with doing business
with them, including all of that 'necessary protection' in their
operating systems' basic packages.

> The near-paranoids focus on protecting their own systems, but with
> software they wrote themselves, given that they can't really trust
> anything written by anyone else ...
>:-)
>

Oh ho! :-)

But they have a point...


Tom

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On 2007-11-23, Ed Wilson wrote:
> Tom N wrote:
>
>> There's a sticker on the back that says "Gateway 300S PRB PC". I googled
>> for it and just found some irrelevant stuff on a mailing list, but it is
>> very possible, even obvious :-) that you are better with google than I
>> am.
>

Ed,

> Did you try site:support.gateway.com 300s in google?

I only searched the main site with google. Didn't know about that one.

>
> The closest I could find without you serial number is a 300s ltd.
> http://support.gateway.com/support/s...?sn=0024938999
>

The specs are very close.

> Are the connectors three different colors for the three connectors?
> http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...51108113.shtml

That's it! Exactly. The black one is the one I need. Excellent!

I was very reluctant to plug the CD into random sockets, and it's good
to know the right one.

>
> If that is not close enough go to http://support.gateway.com and put you
> serial number in there and it should give you similar results.

And how does one find the serial number? There are number and letter groups
all over the place.

I'll see if I can find out by searching that site.

Maybe search the intel site for "MSI Motherboard - 1-GHz (1000-MHz) Celeron" ??

Beats the hell out of me how you came up with this, but I sure appreciate
it.

Tom

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Tom N wrote:


> And how does one find the serial number? There are number and letter
> groups all over the place.
>
> I'll see if I can find out by searching that site.

Right under the box that will take a serial number it links to a page that
will let you select your type of product, after that it will show pictures
of that type and click on the one that looks like yours.

>
> Maybe search the intel site for "MSI Motherboard - 1-GHz (1000-MHz)
> Celeron" ??
>

The best place to search for information for a msi motherboard would be the
msi website, unless gateway is the only buyer of the board in which case
you have whatever gateway gives you.

> Beats the hell out of me how you came up with this, but I sure appreciate
> it.

Most computer manufacturers/parts maker use either have a support subdomain
or a link on the main site that says support.

I started by searching for the string you gave me "Gateway 300S PRB PC".
When that didn't give me anything usefull I started chopping chunks from
the right side until I found that Gateway 300s seemed to bring up a lot of
results. Then I threw in site:support.gateway.com because I figured the
best group to know anything would be the oem.

>
> Tom
>

--
Ed

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:21:04 -0500, Ed Wilson wrote:

> Did you try site:support.gateway.com 300s in google?
>
> The closest I could find without you serial number is a 300s ltd.
> http://support.gateway.com/support/s...?sn=0024938999
>
> Are the connectors three different colors for the three connectors?
> http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...51108113.shtml
>
> If that is not close enough go to http://support.gateway.com and put you
> serial number in there and it should give you similar results.

Boy you get the sleuthing award! I tried about 20 minutes and couldn't
get nowhere close to what you did.

If I had this information alone I'd go ahead and just try the three
plugs. The one thing 'd be concerned about, though not very much, is
causing an electrical problem on the mobo from plugging something in an
incompatible socket. Again even in the absence of information the
chances of that are low as I've never seen the type of plug used on
CDROM connectors used for anything but line level audio but there is
always that first time

I'd say that if Gateway decided to include these three type of adaptors
in this year on their slimline cases most likely they used the same
layout on all the slimline cases during that period.


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Tom N wrote:

> (That's a very interesting and poetical name. Must mean something like
> "man of the forest".)

To be honest, I haven't a clue about it, and I've never been inclined to
find out. It's a pretty common French-Canadian name.

> ... I suspected that the virus/worm mass attacks that I've read about
> were initiated by the same people who were selling the software to
> combat them.

I've never found any proof of that, but I have pointed out to people
that every new variant of every worm does tend to "move product" for the
"security software" companies. In fact, I've pointed out the oddity
that there is effectively an entire industry built on the idea of adding
"protection" to computer systems, rather than removing the vulnerable
software in the first place.

> Pays to note that Microsoft has no problems with doing business
> with them, ...

I assure you that the companies that write this stuff love Microsoft.
It's good for their business.

>> The near-paranoids focus on protecting their own systems, but with
>> software they wrote themselves, given that they can't really trust
>> anything written by anyone else ...
>
> But they have a point...

To an extent. Can you trust a compiler that produces an incorrect
result for "i = 2; n = -1 * abs(i - 1);"? Compile and run the following
on any recent Linux system for an example. Can you trust
command-interpreters (like shells or Perl and friends) built with such a
compiler?

---- start newmath.c ----
#include
#include

int main( void )
{
int i, n;
i = 2;
n = -1 * abs(i - 1);
printf("-1 * %d = %d\n", abs(i - 1), n);
return 0 ;
}
---- end newmath.c ----

: charlotte[syl] ~/src; make newmath
cc newmath.c -o newmath
: charlotte[syl] ~/src; ./newmath
-1 * 1 = 1

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Sylvain Robitaille syl@alcor.concordia.ca

Systems and Network analyst Concordia University
Instructional & Information Technology Montreal, Quebec, Canada
----------------------------------------------------------------------

On 2007-11-23, Sylvain Robitaille wrote:
> Tom N wrote:
>
>> (That's a very interesting and poetical name. Must mean something like
>> "man of the forest".)
>
> To be honest, I haven't a clue about it, and I've never been inclined to
> find out. It's a pretty common French-Canadian name.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sylvan


1. Relating to or characteristic of woods or forest regions.
2. Located in or inhabiting a wood or forest.
3. Abounding in trees; wooded.

>> ... I suspected that the virus/worm mass attacks that I've read about
>> were initiated by the same people who were selling the software to
>> combat them.
>
> I've never found any proof of that, but I have pointed out to people
> that every new variant of every worm does tend to "move product" for the
> "security software" companies. In fact, I've pointed out the oddity
> that there is effectively an entire industry built on the idea of adding
> "protection" to computer systems, rather than removing the vulnerable
> software in the first place.

I think that Microsoft builds security holes into their operating systems
so that _they_ can access them without the 'owner' being aware of it,
and therefore _other_people_ can use those same holes.

They can't get rid of the vulnerable software because they'd have to
get rid of Windows.

>> Pays to note that Microsoft has no problems with doing business
>> with them, ...
>
> I assure you that the companies that write this stuff love Microsoft.
> It's good for their business.
>
>>> The near-paranoids focus on protecting their own systems, but with
>>> software they wrote themselves, given that they can't really trust
>>> anything written by anyone else ...
>>
>> But they have a point...
>
> To an extent. Can you trust a compiler that produces an incorrect
> result for "i = 2; n = -1 * abs(i - 1);"? Compile and run the following
> on any recent Linux system for an example. Can you trust
> command-interpreters (like shells or Perl and friends) built with such a
> compiler?
>
> ---- start newmath.c ----
> #include
> #include
>
> int main( void )
> {
> int i, n;
> i = 2;
> n = -1 * abs(i - 1);
> printf("-1 * %d = %d\n", abs(i - 1), n);
> return 0 ;
> }
> ---- end newmath.c ----
>
> : charlotte[syl] ~/src; make newmath
> cc newmath.c -o newmath
> : charlotte[syl] ~/src; ./newmath
> -1 * 1 = 1
>

Sorry. I'm too paranoid to compile and run that.

:-))

Tom

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On 2007-11-23, Ron Gibson wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:21:04 -0500, Ed Wilson wrote:
>
>> Did you try site:support.gateway.com 300s in google?
>>
>> The closest I could find without you serial number is a 300s ltd.
>> http://support.gateway.com/support/s...?sn=0024938999
>>
>> Are the connectors three different colors for the three connectors?
>> http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...51108113.shtml
>>
>> If that is not close enough go to http://support.gateway.com and put you
>> serial number in there and it should give you similar results.
>
> Boy you get the sleuthing award! I tried about 20 minutes and couldn't
> get nowhere close to what you did.
>

For which I thank you. You laid the groundwork here.

And your solution would have most likely worked...

> If I had this information alone I'd go ahead and just try the three
> plugs. The one thing 'd be concerned about, though not very much, is
> causing an electrical problem on the mobo from plugging something in an
> incompatible socket. Again even in the absence of information the
> chances of that are low as I've never seen the type of plug used on
> CDROM connectors used for anything but line level audio but there is
> always that first time

But I would have tried, if nothing else came up. If it trashed the
board then I'd get another computer and chalk it up to experience.
You make due with what you know.

I _have_ followed your advice and copied /etc, gzipped, to some
floppies.

Plus the output of tree for the whole system, again gzipped. I
have the CDs I used to build it 'from scratch' in the first place.
I'd be back here making a pest of myself in no time.

:-)


>
> I'd say that if Gateway decided to include these three type of adaptors
> in this year on their slimline cases most likely they used the same
> layout on all the slimline cases during that period.
>
>

That makes sense.

Tom

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On 2007-11-23, Ed Wilson wrote:
> Tom N wrote:
>
>
>> And how does one find the serial number? There are number and letter
>> groups all over the place.
>>
>> I'll see if I can find out by searching that site.
>
> Right under the box that will take a serial number it links to a page that
> will let you select your type of product, after that it will show pictures
> of that type and click on the one that looks like yours.
>
>>
>> Maybe search the intel site for "MSI Motherboard - 1-GHz (1000-MHz)
>> Celeron" ??
>>
>
> The best place to search for information for a msi motherboard would be the
> msi website, unless gateway is the only buyer of the board in which case
> you have whatever gateway gives you.
>

http://support.gateway.com/s/MOTHERB...51491201.shtml

That looks exactly like it, though about half of mine is obscured by
the CD and floppy drives

The component list matches too.

>> Beats the hell out of me how you came up with this, but I sure appreciate
>> it.
>
> Most computer manufacturers/parts maker use either have a support subdomain
> or a link on the main site that says support.
>
> I started by searching for the string you gave me "Gateway 300S PRB PC".
> When that didn't give me anything usefull I started chopping chunks from
> the right side until I found that Gateway 300s seemed to bring up a lot of
> results. Then I threw in site:support.gateway.com because I figured the
> best group to know anything would be the oem.

An approach I will make good use of in the future.

Thanks, Ed,

Tom


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Tom N says:

>Hi Mark,

Smoochie koo...

You're sickening. Bugger off. You're an embarrassment to all the
readers of this ng.

Again, bugger off.

cordially, as always,

rm

Tom N says:

>Greetings Loki, linux/unix guru par exellence.

Grr.

Please leave.

cordially, as always,

rm

Mark South says:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:00:51 +0100, Tom N wrote:

>> Hi Mark,

>Hi Tom :-) <------------ rm flamebait

Gee, and how were you able to figure that out?

And why the smiley? You don't want to be taken seriously, but the
other guy is TOTALLY SERIOUS.

And his domain name is _still_ darkstar.example.net. Could somebody
please straighten this idiot out? He's making us all look like a
bunch of fairies or something...

cordially, as always,

rm

Tom N says:
>On 2007-11-21, Ron Gibson wrote:

>> BTW, OP - Tom, Newegg is a great store to buy from. They are
>> cheap, reliable and back their products with a no nonsense return
>> policy.

>Good to know.

Smoochie koo.

One of these days somebody is going to take you outside, shove a
loaded shotgun up your ass, and wait for you to say something.

Anything at all...

cordially, as always,

rm

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:45:25 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote:

> One of these days somebody is going to take you outside, shove a
> loaded shotgun up your ass, and wait for you to say something.

One of these days (hopefully) you are going to shove a loaded shotgun into
your mouth, say "cordially", and pull the trigger. Please hurry.

> cordially, as always,

Smeg off, troll.


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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:07:16 +0100, Tom N wrote:

>> To be honest, I haven't a clue about it, and I've never been inclined to
>> find out. It's a pretty common French-Canadian name.

> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sylvan
>
> 1. Relating to or characteristic of woods or forest regions.
> 2. Located in or inhabiting a wood or forest.
> 3. Abounding in trees; wooded.

The name is "Sylvain", not "Sylvan", doofus.


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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:12:31 -0600, Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:07:16 +0100, Tom N wrote:
>
>>> To be honest, I haven't a clue about it, and I've never been inclined to
>>> find out. It's a pretty common French-Canadian name.
>
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sylvan
>>
>> 1. Relating to or characteristic of woods or forest regions.
>> 2. Located in or inhabiting a wood or forest.
>> 3. Abounding in trees; wooded.
>
> The name is "Sylvain", not "Sylvan", doofus.

And the french pronunciation of "Sylvain" (modulo the nasal n) is very
close to the english pronunciation of "Sylvan", which is from the latin
word for a wood.

There's more floppiness between pronunciation and orthography than there
is between rm's ears.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:35:43 +0000, Realto Margarino wrote:

> Mark South says:
>>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:00:51 +0100, Tom N wrote:
>
>>> Hi Mark,
>
>>Hi Tom :-) <------------ rm flamebait
>
> Gee, and how were you able to figure that out?

It's a tautology. Any post at all in aols is rm flamebait.

> And why the smiley? You don't want to be taken seriously, but the
> other guy is TOTALLY SERIOUS.

I am totally serious that I intended there to be a smiley.

> And his domain name is _still_ darkstar.example.net. Could somebody
> please straighten this idiot out? He's making us all look like a
> bunch of fairies or something...

If you stuck a pine tree up your ass and held a candle in each hand you
would even look the part, and be early for xmas.

Don't forget to post jpegs.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:53:03 +0100, Mark South wrote:

>> The name is "Sylvain", not "Sylvan", doofus.

> And the french pronunciation of "Sylvain" (modulo the nasal n) is very
> close to the english pronunciation of "Sylvan", which is from the latin
> word for a wood.

Well, isn't that nice. Quite irrelevant though, when talking about
looking words up in a dictionary. The discussion was about the *meaning*
of a word, not it's *pronunciation*.


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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:39:27 -0600, Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:53:03 +0100, Mark South wrote:
>
>>> The name is "Sylvain", not "Sylvan", doofus.
>
>> And the french pronunciation of "Sylvain" (modulo the nasal n) is very
>> close to the english pronunciation of "Sylvan", which is from the latin
>> word for a wood.
>
> Well, isn't that nice. Quite irrelevant though, when talking about
> looking words up in a dictionary. The discussion was about the *meaning*
> of a word, not it's *pronunciation*.

When words move across languages, they tend to keep their pronunciation
and change their orthography. So not at all irrelevant to your
original objection.