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Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
issue for now.
frz wrote:[color=blue]
> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
> issue for now.
>[/color]
Be happy that you have this 'door'.
Have fun.
Stanislaw.
frz wrote:[color=blue]
> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
> issue for now.
>[/color]
Be happy that you have this 'door'.
Have fun.
Stanislaw.
frz a écrit :[color=blue]
> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> the only linux os instead of duel booting.[/color]
duel booting = Norton Antivirus mistaking LILO in the MBR for a virus :o)
I'd say Linux makes me lazy. Things don't just stop to work out of the
blue for some mysterious reasons. Whereas the average Windows install
sooner or later turns into a whining Tamagotchi.
Niki
On 2007-10-03, Niki Kovacs <mickey@mouse.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I'd say Linux makes me lazy. Things don't just stop to work out of the
> blue for some mysterious reasons. Whereas the average Windows install
> sooner or later turns into a whining Tamagotchi.[/color]
I thought Tamagotchi mode was on by default in Windows.
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frz (frzd@hotmail.com) writes:[color=blue]
> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
> issue for now.
>[/color]
What's this Windows stuff you are talking about?
Some of us have never run Windows.
Michael
On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[color=blue]
> frz (f...@hotmail.com) writes:[color=green]
> > Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> > me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> > install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> > more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> > the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
> > issue for now.[/color]
>
> What's this Windows stuff you are talking about?
>
> Some of us have never run Windows.
>
> Michael[/color]
Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 +0000, frz wrote:[color=blue]
> On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Some of us have never run Windows.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?[/color]
Some of us have been using and programming computers since B. Gates was
still wetting his bed. His "Windows" is merely an aberation.
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 +0000, frz wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> What's this Windows stuff you are talking about?
>> Some of us have never run Windows.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?[/color]
Bugger off and leave, dimwit.
The win-droid groups are over there ----------------->
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frz (frzd@hotmail.com) writes:[color=blue]
> On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[color=green]
>> frz (f...@hotmail.com) writes:[color=darkred]
>> > Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
>> > me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
>> > install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
>> > more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
>> > the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
>> > issue for now.[/color]
>>
>> What's this Windows stuff you are talking about?
>>
>> Some of us have never run Windows.
>>
>> Michael[/color]
>
> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?
>[/color]
It's really hard to tell what the point of your post was.
And the reality is that some of us have lived without Windows, which
seems to be what your subject header was about.
Michael
"Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
news:13g9onl9uejntd7@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 +0000, frz wrote:[color=green]
>> On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Some of us have never run Windows.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?[/color]
>
> Some of us have been using and programming computers since B. Gates was
> still wetting his bed. His "Windows" is merely an aberation.[/color]
I once wrote an assembley routine that loaded a screen, from program memory
to video memory in my 48K Spectrum, just to see how fast it was against the
same routine in BASIC using 'PEEK' and 'POKE'... But surely Bill Gates was
not wetting his bed by then... :)
Best regards
Paulo
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frz a écrit :[color=blue]
>
> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?
>[/color]
I'll let you be the judge of that.
My first computer - if you can call it this - was an 8080 processor on a
single board, with a hex keyboard and a six digit LED display: four
digits for address, two for content. 512 byte (!) of RAM, and the thing
was programmed in Assembler via Hexcode. Back in 1978, my dad worked at
a development lab at Siemens in Vienna, and he brought the thing home,
along with books about binary and hexadecimal algebra, Assembler
programming and logical circuitry. Later, in 1983 IIRC, I bought a
Commodore VC-20, which I programmed in BASIC - and also a bit in Assembler.
When I went to the university back in 1986 to study Computer Science - I
broke off after about a year and a half, there was still no Windows to
be seen.
Then, for some reason, I didn't touch a computer for about a decade and
got myself a degree in French and comparative literature. When I got
back to computers, I used Windows for a while, but eventually got fed up
with it. One thing led to the other, and since 2001, I'm 100% GNU/Linux
- with a short stint on OS X.
There are other things one can *not* have. I don't have a TV at home. I
don't own a single Céline Dion record. And there's no Windows around, so
even my USB keys are formatted in ext2 :o)
cheers,
Niki
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:24:57 +0100, Paulo Costa wrote:[color=blue]
> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:13g9onl9uejntd7@news.supernews.com...[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Some of us have been using and programming computers since B. Gates was
>> still wetting his bed. His "Windows" is merely an aberation.[/color]
>
> I once wrote an assembley routine that loaded a screen, from program
> memory to video memory in my 48K Spectrum, just to see how fast it was
> against the same routine in BASIC using 'PEEK' and 'POKE'... But surely
> Bill Gates was not wetting his bed by then... :)[/color]
The BASIC I learned in 1966 did not have PEEK or POKE :-)
Neither did FORTRAN-II, for that matter.
Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> The BASIC I learned in 1966 did not have PEEK or POKE :-)
>
> Neither did FORTRAN-II, for that matter.[/color]
In 1966 it should have been Fortran-IV already, the Fortran-II
standard is all the way back from 1958 (and I never worked in that).
I started with a Basic without PEEK and POKE too (DEC's Basic/PTS,
for the PDP-11 mini-computer). Later I switched to their (DEC)
Fortran-IV product (Fortran/RT11).
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"Paulo Costa" (paulocosta[at]uniarde[dot]pt) writes:[color=blue]
> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:13g9onl9uejntd7@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 +0000, frz wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> Some of us have never run Windows.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?[/color]
>>
>> Some of us have been using and programming computers since B. Gates was
>> still wetting his bed. His "Windows" is merely an aberation.[/color]
>
> I once wrote an assembley routine that loaded a screen, from program memory
> to video memory in my 48K Spectrum, just to see how fast it was against the
> same routine in BASIC using 'PEEK' and 'POKE'... But surely Bill Gates was
> not wetting his bed by then... :)
>[/color]
No.
But the interesting thing is that we are in a minority. The further
back in time you go, the fewer the people that had computers, and the
more the landscape was quite different.
A lot of people didn't get computers until a lot of iterations were
gone through, a lot of people with computers now weren't even born
before GUIs started moving into the small computer world.
So their viewpoint is of Windows, and they can't really imagine
a world without it, because they were't part of the world before
Windows.
There is a common expectation that people move from Windows to
Linux, and likely that is what commonly happens (because there
is a far bigger mass of people who first got computers with Windows
than who were around in the early days). But there's a big
leap from assuming someone moved to Linux from Windows to expecting
everyone to have gone through Windows.
Michael
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:23:51 +0200, Eef Hartman wrote:
[color=blue]
> Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> The BASIC I learned in 1966 did not have PEEK or POKE :-)
>>
>> Neither did FORTRAN-II, for that matter.[/color]
>
> In 1966 it should have been Fortran-IV already, the Fortran-II standard
> is all the way back from 1958 (and I never worked in that).[/color]
Perhaps IBM was behind the curve. But it most certainly was FORTRAN-II
on an IBM Model 1620, punched card decks and all.
Dave Uhring <daveuhring@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> Perhaps IBM was behind the curve. But it most certainly was FORTRAN-II
> on an IBM Model 1620, punched card decks and all.[/color]
IBM _was_ the developer of Fortran, and they released Fortran-IV
(later made into the Fortran 66 standard) in 1962:
FORTRAN IV
Starting in 1961, as a result of customer demands, IBM began development
of a 'FORTRAN IV' that removed the machine-dependent features of FORTRAN II
(such as |READ INPUT TAPE|), while adding new features such as a |LOGICAL|
data type, logical Boolean expressions and the 'logical IF statement' as
an alternative to the 'arithmetic IF statement.' FORTRAN IV was eventually
released in 1962, first for the IBM 7030 ("Stretch") computer, followed
by versions for the IBM 7090 and IBM 7094.
FORTRAN 66
Perhaps the most significant development in the early history of FORTRAN
was the decision by the 'American Standards Association' (now ANSI) to
form a committee to develop an "American Standard Fortran."
The resulting two standards, approved in March 1966, defined two languages,
'FORTRAN' (based on FORTRAN IV, which had served as a 'de facto' standard),
and 'Basic FORTRAN' (based on FORTRAN II, but stripped of its
machine-dependent features). The FORTRAN defined by the first standard
became known as 'FORTRAN 66' (although many continued to refer to it as
FORTRAN IV, the language upon which the standard was largely based).
FORTRAN 66 effectively became the first "industry-standard" version of
FORTRAN. FORTRAN 66 included:
* Main program, |SUBROUTINE|, |FUNCTION|, and |BLOCK DATA| program units
* |INTEGER|, |REAL|, |DOUBLE PRECISION|, |COMPLEX|, and |LOGICAL|
data types
* |COMMON|, |DIMENSION|, and |EQUIVALENCE| statements
* |DATA| statement for specifying initial values
* Intrinsic and |EXTERNAL| (e.g., library) functions
* Assignment statement
* |GOTO|, assigned |GOTO|, and computed |GOTO| statements
* Logical |IF| and arithmetic (three-way) |IF| statements
* |DO| loops
* |READ|, |WRITE|, |BACKSPACE|, |REWIND|, and |ENDFILE| statements
for sequential I/O
* |FORMAT| statement
* |CALL|, |RETURN|, |PAUSE|, and |STOP| statements
* Hollerith constants in |DATA| and
|FORMAT| statements, and as actual arguments to procedures
* Identifiers of up to six characters in length
* Comment lines
(cut out of the wipipedia page for "Fortran").
Ok. your model 1620 isn't mentioned here, but I would expect a big
firm like IBM to have a Fortran IV compiler available for that platform,
almost 4 years after the release for the 7030.
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Stanislaw Flatto wrote:[color=blue]
> frz wrote:[color=green]
>> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
>> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
>> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
>> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
>> the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
>> issue for now.
>>[/color]
> Be happy that you have this 'door'.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Stanislaw.[/color]
that reminds me of when i fooled around with bbs's, odd times indeed.
On 2007-10-04, Paulo Costa <paulocosta> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "Dave Uhring" <daveuhring@yahoo.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:13g9onl9uejntd7@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:45:06 +0000, frz wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Oct 3, 8:56 pm, et...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>> Some of us have never run Windows.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Aren't you all a bunch of show offs?[/color]
>>
>> Some of us have been using and programming computers since B. Gates was
>> still wetting his bed. His "Windows" is merely an aberation.[/color]
>
> I once wrote an assembley routine that loaded a screen, from program memory
> to video memory in my 48K Spectrum, just to see how fast it was against the
> same routine in BASIC using 'PEEK' and 'POKE'... But surely Bill Gates was
> not wetting his bed by then... :)
>[/color]
so... how did it compare? :P
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My Linux box is my best friend. It is my life."
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:58:33 +0000, frz wrote:
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> Its true, windows does make the average user lazy but, you don't need
> me to tell you that. You guys here already knew. So anywho I have
> install Slackware 12 on a separate hard drive, same laptop, to focus
> more on it. I had a spare drive laying around and decided use it with
> the only linux os instead of duel booting. That also fix my HDD space
> issue for now.[/color]
Most modern systems have windows: X windows for Linux/Unix; some sort of
windows for MAC and MS Windows for MS - so what's your problem??