Gnome in Slackware 12

The question of Gnome has already arisen (again, sigh) several times.
FWIW, I use Garnome for one reason. It does not affect the host system.
It creates its own isolated environment into which it compiles all Gnome
libraries, user-selected applications, and is very well documented.
Packaged Gnomes, like Freerock, Dropline, and Gmane (I think they are way
out of date though) overwrite system libraries.

Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
to the Garnome installation.

If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
this option.

[url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]

--
Peter

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:17:26 +0000, Peter wrote:

snip...[color=blue]
> Packaged Gnomes, like Freerock, Dropline, and Gmane (I think they are
> way out of date though) overwrite system libraries.[/color]

Sorry. s/Gmane/Gware/
[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url][/color]

--
Peter

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 10:17:26 +0000, Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> The question of Gnome has already arisen (again, sigh) several times.
> FWIW, I use Garnome for one reason. It does not affect the host system.
> It creates its own isolated environment into which it compiles all Gnome
> libraries, user-selected applications, and is very well documented.
> Packaged Gnomes, like Freerock, Dropline, and Gmane (I think they are
> way out of date though) overwrite system libraries.
>
> Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
> Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
> to the Garnome installation.
>
> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
> this option.
>
> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url][/color]

What do Freerock, Dropline and Gware provide that garnome does
not?

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:45:04 +0000, James H. Newman wrote:

snip...
[color=blue]
>
> What do Freerock, Dropline and Gware provide that garnome does
> not?[/color]

The only major difference is that the former are precompiled and
packaged, more or less, ready to go. Garnome needs to be compiled which
is fairly automatic.

IMO, Garnome provides additional flexibility in that you do not need to
install the entire Gnome suite. If you only want a few applications, but
not the entire desktop, you can compile just those components and Garnome
will make sure all dependent modules are also compiled.

For example, I don't use Gnome, but rely on Evolution (which for some
insane reason has allied itself only with Gnome and is its default mail
reader). So, in order to get Evolution to work, I simply traverse to the
Evolution directory and type make install. Then, Garnome goes to work
bringing in all modules it requires.

There's also a similar product, jhbuild, for Gnome, but I do not know as
much about that.

Garnome is very easy to customize, and works fine with Slackware. JM2C.

--
Peter

Peter wrote:

SNIP[color=blue]
> Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
> Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
> to the Garnome installation.
>
> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
> this option.
>
> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>[/color]

Hi!
You seem to know a bit about garnome.
I don't so I have a question.
Can't get it to work always some 'libs' missing and so.
Now I got this problem with :
checking for XOpenDisplay... no
Then configure error libX11 not found.
What am I missing??

Cheers
//Mussemo
use

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:07:58 +0000, Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:45:04 +0000, James H. Newman wrote:
>
> snip...
>
>[color=green]
>> What do Freerock, Dropline and Gware provide that garnome does
>> not?[/color]
>
> The only major difference is that the former are precompiled and
> packaged, more or less, ready to go. Garnome needs to be compiled which
> is fairly automatic.
>
> IMO, Garnome provides additional flexibility in that you do not need to
> install the entire Gnome suite. If you only want a few applications, but
> not the entire desktop, you can compile just those components and
> Garnome will make sure all dependent modules are also compiled.
>
> For example, I don't use Gnome, but rely on Evolution (which for some
> insane reason has allied itself only with Gnome and is its default mail
> reader). So, in order to get Evolution to work, I simply traverse to the
> Evolution directory and type make install. Then, Garnome goes to work
> bringing in all modules it requires.
>
> There's also a similar product, jhbuild, for Gnome, but I do not know as
> much about that.
>
> Garnome is very easy to customize, and works fine with Slackware. JM2C.[/color]

Thanks for the info. I am certainly going to have a go at Garnome
under Slackware 12. Quite frankly, I have lost my patience with Dropline
et al. They are always late, both in Gnome and Slackware terms; they tend
to mess with Slackware, destabilizing it; and they ALWAYS seem to install
apps that do not work correctly.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
[color=blue]
> Peter wrote:
>
> SNIP[color=green]
>> Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
>> Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
>> to the Garnome installation.
>>
>> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
>> this option.
>>
>> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
> Hi!
> You seem to know a bit about garnome. I don't so I have a question.
> Can't get it to work always some 'libs' missing and so. Now I got this
> problem with :
> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>
> Cheers
> //Mussemo
> use[/color]

Well, in general (you did not give me the specifics of your system or the
version of garnome, or the application being compiled), this means that
configure for the application/library in question could not find X. This
is quite serious!!!

Either X is installed in a non-standard location (Slack 12 puts it in /
usr, so that's standard) or X is not installed or incompletely installed.

If you still have problems, write back with more details, or troll on
over to the garnome mailing list accessible via gmane.


--
Peter

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:35 +0000, James H. Newman wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Garnome is very easy to customize, and works fine with Slackware. JM2C.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Thanks for the info. I am certainly going to have a go at Garnome
> under Slackware 12. Quite frankly, I have lost my patience with Dropline
> et al. They are always late, both in Gnome and Slackware terms; they tend
> to mess with Slackware, destabilizing it; and they ALWAYS seem to install
> apps that do not work correctly.[/color]

I agree, and am planning on giving Garnome a look this time too, as there
is nothing else available. On a related note, I had a personal email
exchange in the last few days with Freerock of FRG, and he said he's
planning to revitalize (new release) of FRG "very soon now". I'll give
that a look when/if it comes out, but will try Garnome in the meanwhile.


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Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Peter wrote:
>>
>> SNIP
>>SNIP some more
>> problem with :
>> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
>> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>>
>> Cheers
>> //Mussemo
>> use[/color]
>
> Well, in general (you did not give me the specifics of your system or the
> version of garnome, or the application being compiled), this means that
> configure for the application/library in question could not find X. This
> is quite serious!!!
>
> Either X is installed in a non-standard location (Slack 12 puts it in /
> usr, so that's standard) or X is not installed or incompletely installed.
>
> If you still have problems, write back with more details, or troll on
> over to the garnome mailing list accessible via gmane.
>
>[/color]
Sorry forgot those details. To much thinking is not good for the memory.

I just upgraded to Slack 12 (well wasn't much to upgrade since this test
system was running Slack-current), and just downloaded the newest garnome.
Ver 2.18.2
The packages that are supposed to be built is gtk+-2.10.12. And it is a
packages I believe is a must have :)

I just wanted to try out Gnome again. And when I saw this thread I got
curious and thought that it would be nice to try. Nothing wrong with KDE or
XFCE but another choice is always fun.

Well KDE works and xorg is fully installed the only 'extra' thing I've done
that differs from 'normal full installation' is that I installed the ATI
packages for xorg that was in /extras since I had a slight problem with
starting KDE.

Cheers
//Mussemouse

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:26:14 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
[color=blue]
> Peter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Peter wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>SNIP some more
>>> problem with :
>>> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
>>> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> //Mussemo
>>> use[/color]
>>
>> Well, in general (you did not give me the specifics of your system or
>> the version of garnome, or the application being compiled), this means
>> that configure for the application/library in question could not find
>> X. This is quite serious!!!
>>
>> Either X is installed in a non-standard location (Slack 12 puts it in /
>> usr, so that's standard) or X is not installed or incompletely
>> installed.
>>
>> If you still have problems, write back with more details, or troll on
>> over to the garnome mailing list accessible via gmane.
>>
>>[/color]
> Sorry forgot those details. To much thinking is not good for the memory.
>
> I just upgraded to Slack 12 (well wasn't much to upgrade since this test
> system was running Slack-current), and just downloaded the newest
> garnome. Ver 2.18.2
> The packages that are supposed to be built is gtk+-2.10.12. And it is a
> packages I believe is a must have :)
>[/color]

This really should be on the garnome ml, but I will say this. Check to
see which application gave the error. If it was gtk+, make sure another
dependency was not being compiled within it. Also, SOME poorly written
configure scripts have /usr/X11R6 hard coded or in .la files, and this
will cause other program's configures to bomb. When I upgraded from X11
6.9 to 7.1, I spent the better part of a day adjusting .la files for the
new location.
[color=blue]
> I just wanted to try out Gnome again. And when I saw this thread I got
> curious and thought that it would be nice to try. Nothing wrong with KDE
> or XFCE but another choice is always fun.
>
> Well KDE works and xorg is fully installed the only 'extra' thing I've
> done that differs from 'normal full installation' is that I installed
> the ATI packages for xorg that was in /extras since I had a slight
> problem with starting KDE.
>
> Cheers
> //Mussemouse[/color]

Bring your issue to the garnome ml, and I or others there will surely
help. Some garnome Makefiles may require some tweaking.


--
Peter

Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 19:26:14 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Peter wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SNIP
>>>>SNIP some more
>>>> problem with :
>>>> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
>>>> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> //Mussemo
>>>> use
>>>
>>> Well, in general (you did not give me the specifics of your system or
>>> the version of garnome, or the application being compiled), this means
>>> that configure for the application/library in question could not find
>>> X. This is quite serious!!!
>>>
>>> Either X is installed in a non-standard location (Slack 12 puts it in /
>>> usr, so that's standard) or X is not installed or incompletely
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> If you still have problems, write back with more details, or troll on
>>> over to the garnome mailing list accessible via gmane.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Sorry forgot those details. To much thinking is not good for the memory.
>>
>> I just upgraded to Slack 12 (well wasn't much to upgrade since this test
>> system was running Slack-current), and just downloaded the newest
>> garnome. Ver 2.18.2
>> The packages that are supposed to be built is gtk+-2.10.12. And it is a
>> packages I believe is a must have :)
>>[/color]
>
> This really should be on the garnome ml, but I will say this. Check to
> see which application gave the error. If it was gtk+, make sure another
> dependency was not being compiled within it. Also, SOME poorly written
> configure scripts have /usr/X11R6 hard coded or in .la files, and this
> will cause other program's configures to bomb. When I upgraded from X11
> 6.9 to 7.1, I spent the better part of a day adjusting .la files for the
> new location.
>[color=green]
>> I just wanted to try out Gnome again. And when I saw this thread I got
>> curious and thought that it would be nice to try. Nothing wrong with KDE
>> or XFCE but another choice is always fun.
>>
>> Well KDE works and xorg is fully installed the only 'extra' thing I've
>> done that differs from 'normal full installation' is that I installed
>> the ATI packages for xorg that was in /extras since I had a slight
>> problem with starting KDE.
>>
>> Cheers
>> //Mussemouse[/color]
>
> Bring your issue to the garnome ml, and I or others there will surely
> help. Some garnome Makefiles may require some tweaking.
>
>[/color]

Ok!
Of to the garnome ml then :)!

Thanks for the help!

//Mussemouse

Peter wrote:

[color=blue]
> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
> this option.
>
> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>[/color]

It fell over when compiling HAL on my Slack 11.0 system. Anyone else had
this on Slack I wonder. Just trying to narrow down whether it is an
idiosycracy with my system.

Pete

--
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:32:56 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:
[color=blue]
> Peter wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
>> this option.
>>
>> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
> It fell over when compiling HAL on my Slack 11.0 system. Anyone else
> had this on Slack I wonder. Just trying to narrow down whether it is an
> idiosycracy with my system.
>
> Pete[/color]

Like Mussemouse, you give no specifics (i.e. Garnome version, configure
output or make output, etc). There are several system-level dependencies
which Garnome requires that are listed in the DEPS-LIST file. While I
have not checked it against S-12, I recall I had to add several libraries
to Slackware for Garnome to compile. Please bring your Garnome issues to
the Garnome ml.

--
Peter

Le Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse a écrit:
[color=blue]
> Peter wrote:
>
> SNIP[color=green]
>> Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
>> Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
>> to the Garnome installation.
>>
>> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
>> this option.
>>
>> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
> Hi!
> You seem to know a bit about garnome. I don't so I have a question.
> Can't get it to work always some 'libs' missing and so. Now I got this
> problem with :
> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>
> Cheers
> //Mussemo
> use[/color]
libX11 is provide by libX11-1.1.1-i486-4.tgz

guy wrote:
[color=blue]
> Le Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:40:50 +0000, Mussemouse a écrit:
>[color=green]
>> Peter wrote:
>>
>> SNIP[color=darkred]
>>> Garnome can be installed system-wide, and I put it in /opt/gnome/#.##.
>>> Only user X startup scripts need to be changed, mostly to include paths
>>> to the Garnome installation.
>>>
>>> If you like to protect your system and keep it Slackware, then consider
>>> this option.
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/[/url]
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Hi!
>> You seem to know a bit about garnome. I don't so I have a question.
>> Can't get it to work always some 'libs' missing and so. Now I got this
>> problem with :
>> checking for XOpenDisplay... no
>> Then configure error libX11 not found. What am I missing??
>>
>> Cheers
>> //Mussemo
>> use[/color]
> libX11 is provide by libX11-1.1.1-i486-4.tgz[/color]

It is, and it is installed. But garnome doesn't find it.
Error in the search script perhaps?
I use KDE instead. Or XFCE4 but it would have been fun with Gnome. Perhaps
later when I have more time to spend on it.

Thanks anyway!

//Mussemouse

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:31:32 +0000, Peter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Like Mussemouse, you give no specifics (i.e. Garnome version, configure
> output or make output, etc). There are several system-level dependencies
> which Garnome requires that are listed in the DEPS-LIST file. While I
> have not checked it against S-12, I recall I had to add several libraries
> to Slackware for Garnome to compile. Please bring your Garnome issues to
> the Garnome ml.[/color]

I've been unable to build Garnome (2.18.3) on Slack 12.0. It runs for a
while and then fails with an "Error 2" with no other particularly helpful
messages.

Would you mind posting here what additional libraries need to be added to
get things to work?

I may look into the mailing list, but it would sure be nice if it was a
little easier to get things to work.


--
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:27:55 -0500, Dan C wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:31:32 +0000, Peter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Like Mussemouse, you give no specifics (i.e. Garnome version, configure
>> output or make output, etc). There are several system-level
>> dependencies which Garnome requires that are listed in the DEPS-LIST
>> file. While I have not checked it against S-12, I recall I had to add
>> several libraries to Slackware for Garnome to compile. Please bring
>> your Garnome issues to the Garnome ml.[/color]
>
> I've been unable to build Garnome (2.18.3) on Slack 12.0. It runs for a
> while and then fails with an "Error 2" with no other particularly
> helpful messages.[/color]

I have just undertaken this myself, and the only thing I had to
install was the XML::Simple Perl package. Building Garnome 2.18.3 has
otherwise proceeded uneventfully. Mind you, I haven't run it yet. I am
just saying that it did compile fine.

By the way, my Slackware 12 installation was a full one.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:55:34 +0000, James H. Newman wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I've been unable to build Garnome (2.18.3) on Slack 12.0. It runs for a
>> while and then fails with an "Error 2" with no other particularly
>> helpful messages.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I have just undertaken this myself, and the only thing I had to
> install was the XML::Simple Perl package. Building Garnome 2.18.3 has
> otherwise proceeded uneventfully. Mind you, I haven't run it yet. I am
> just saying that it did compile fine.[/color]

Could you post the actual package name, and where you got it? Thanks.
[color=blue]
> By the way, my Slackware 12 installation was a full one.[/color]

Same here.

I'm gonna have a look at the Garnome mailing list, and might give things
another try if I can find the motivation. Otherwise, I may just switch
over to XFCE...


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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:33:38 -0500, Dan C wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:55:34 +0000, James H. Newman wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I've been unable to build Garnome (2.18.3) on Slack 12.0. It runs for
>>> a while and then fails with an "Error 2" with no other particularly
>>> helpful messages.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> I have just undertaken this myself, and the only thing I had to
>> install was the XML::Simple Perl package. Building Garnome 2.18.3 has
>> otherwise proceeded uneventfully. Mind you, I haven't run it yet. I am
>> just saying that it did compile fine.[/color]
>
> Could you post the actual package name, and where you got it? Thanks.[/color]

You have to get it from the Perl MCPAN repository. Here is what I
did:

Logged in as root, at the command line prompt type

perl -MCPAN -e shell

If this the first time you do it, you'll have to answer a lot of inane
questions. The default answers seem to have worked for me. Anyway, once
perl is happy you will be left at a perl-controlled command line, with a
cpan> prompt. Type

install XML::Simple

and let perl download all the crap it requires. Once this is done,
launching the garnome build process should succeed. Well, it did for me.

On 2007-07-05, James H. Newman <NewJames@exicite.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Logged in as root, at the command line prompt type
>
> perl -MCPAN -e shell[/color]

For most recent Perl installs, just typing

cpan

will do the same as perl -MCPAN -e shell.

--keith


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