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  1. Typing French accents in Kmail

    I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    want this facility to be persistent.

    How do I do it?

    Slack 11.0

    John Culleton


  2. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    john@wexfordpress.com trolled:
    > I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    > on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    > want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    > want this facility to be persistent.


    > How do I do it?


    > Slack 11.0


    A cute accent? Parisian French is a cute accent. (not the
    quebecois garbage)

    Some of the English accents are cute, as well.

    HTH.

    cordially, as always,

    rm


  3. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail


    john@wexfordpress.com wrote :

    > How do I do it?


    I guess your using KDE. If so start the "Control Center" and go to
    "Regional & Accessibility"|"keyboard Layout". Here choose "U.S. English"
    and set the "Layout variant" to "intl" or "alt-intl".
    --
    Thomas O.

    This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.

  4. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

    > I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    > on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    > want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    > want this facility to be persistent.


    You can put the KCharSelect on your main toolbar and then use the accents
    from that via Klipper. Its usually in the Utilities menu under 'More
    Applications'.

    --
    Two Ravens
    "...hit the squirrel..."

  5. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Jun 29, 1:40 pm, Thomas Overgaard wrote:
    > j...@wexfordpress.com wrote :
    >
    > > How do I do it?

    >
    > I guess your using KDE. If so start the "Control Center" and go to
    > "Regional & Accessibility"|"keyboard Layout". Here choose "U.S. English"
    > and set the "Layout variant" to "intl" or "alt-intl".
    > --
    > Thomas O.
    >
    > This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.


    And after I do that, which key sequence do I use for an acute accent
    over a e i o or u?

    If I were speaking French I would say "accent aigu" but since I am
    speaking Ammurrican I call it an acute accent.


  6. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Jun 29, 12:49 pm, r...@justlinux.ca (Rhonda Moffat) wrote:
    > j...@wexfordpress.com trolled:
    >
    > > I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    > > on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    > > want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    > > want this facility to be persistent.
    > > How do I do it?
    > > Slack 11.0

    >
    > A cute accent? Parisian French is a cute accent. (not the
    > quebecois garbage)
    >
    > Some of the English accents are cute, as well.
    >
    > HTH.
    >
    > cordially, as always,
    >
    > rm


    In English one can say "an acute accent" or as I did "a simple acute
    accent". Neither can be understood as "a cute accent" by those
    conversant in the English Language. In French one writes "un accent
    aigu" of course.

    Sincerely,

    John C.


  7. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Jun 29, 2:11 pm, Two Ravens wrote:
    > j...@wexfordpress.com wrote:
    > > I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    > > on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    > > want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    > > want this facility to be persistent.

    >
    > You can put the KCharSelect on your main toolbar and then use the accents
    > from that via Klipper. Its usually in the Utilities menu under 'More
    > Applications'.
    >
    > --
    > Two Ravens
    > "...hit the squirrel..."


    Thanks
    I was looking for something more like a key sequence.
    John c.


  8. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

    > I was looking for something more like a key sequence.


    If you change the mapping of your keyboard for french accents, you will just have to take the time to
    learn where they are. They are grouped adjacent to the shift and enter key on the right hand side of
    my keyboard.

  9. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail


    john@wexfordpress.com wrote :

    > And after I do that, which key sequence do I use for an acute accent
    > over a e i o or u?


    Heres your new keyboard layout:

    --
    Thomas O.

    This area is designed to become quite warm during normal operation.

  10. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:49:15 +0000, Rhonda Moffat wrote:

    > john@wexfordpress.com trolled:
    >> I have searched and searched, read the manual, the help screens and so
    >> on to no avail. I have a standard US 104 key keyboard. I use kmail. I
    >> want to be able to type a simple acute accent while composing email. I
    >> want this facility to be persistent.

    >
    >> How do I do it?

    >
    >> Slack 11.0

    >
    > A cute accent? Parisian French is a cute accent. (not the quebecois
    > garbage)
    >
    > Some of the English accents are cute, as well.
    >
    > HTH.
    >
    > cordially, as always,


    Why do you insist in posting answers devoid of any intelligent
    content? Are you really that fond of making a public display of your
    complete ignorance?




  11. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On 2007-06-29, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:
    >
    > Thanks
    > I was looking for something more like a key sequence.
    > John c.


    On Slack 10.1 (KDE Control Panel changes almost every rev), go to
    KDEs Control Center:

    * Regional & Accessability > Keyboard Layout
    * Enable keyboard layouts
    * Add US English w/ deadkeys (us_intl)
    * Apply

    You should now have little US flag icon in the right side of your tool
    tray. Left click on flag and it should turn dark. Now, you can use
    these designated dead keys:

    Hit ' before the letter and get acute accents, , , , etc.
    Hit ^ " " " " " grave accents, , , , etc.

    If you click on flag again, it should go back to normal with no dead
    keys or accents. Mine is not, remaning in dead key mode. This is
    probably due to the slow corruption of one of my user accounts, a
    problem I've yet to resolve. Try it on your box and see if it works
    OK.

    nb


  12. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:21:46 +0000, Ivar Rosquist wrote:

    >> cordially, as always,


    > Why do you insist in posting answers devoid of any intelligent
    > content? Are you really that fond of making a public display of your
    > complete ignorance?


    Yes, he really is.


    --
    "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".


  13. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:40:46 +0200, Thomas Overgaard wrote:

    > john@wexfordpress.com wrote :
    >
    >> How do I do it?

    >
    > I guess your using KDE.


    It is probable but not necessary, I personally use Kmail as MUA
    but I swapped KDE for Fluxbox a few years ago for many OT reasons :-)

    > If so start the "Control Center" and go to
    > "Regional & Accessibility"|"keyboard Layout". Here choose "U.S. English"
    > and set the "Layout variant" to "intl" or "alt-intl".


    I think this will use the deadkeys? In case you'd prefer
    the 'Compose' way you can dedicate a key to this usage.

    To get the keycode, use 'xev' and type the key, for instance
    I here test with the "leftWindow-key' which I never use in any
    OS and always wondered what it was here for :-)

    # xev (then type the key)
    ....
    KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x3e00002,
    root 0x1f8, subw 0x0, time 2109334233, (406,340), root407,365),
    state 0x10, keycode 115 (keysym 0xff20, Multi_key), same_screen YES,

    The keycode then is 115, now use xmodmap to match the function:

    # xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = Multi_key"

    Now, typing Multi_key, ' , e
    will give you the "e accent aigü" é
    wich you'd use in the word "tréma" like in
    "aigü avec un tréma sur le u" ;-)

    Before doing all this first check that it's not already
    activated in the dark:

    $ xmodmap -pke | grep Multi_
    keycode 115 = Multi_key

    (
    Note that it's possible that the previous settings of your
    environment disabled the 'Compose key' usage, I'm not so sure
    about where and how to set it back in most WM/DM but in KDE
    it should be somewhere in the Xkb options in the
    "Xkb options" pane of the page:
    Control Center/Regional & Accessibility/keyboard Layout

    Which settings are what is quite unclear to me
    the exercise to translate it to a logical language is left to
    the next hermeneutics specialist that'lluse Slackware ;-)
    )

  14. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Jun 29, 4:36 pm, notbob wrote:
    > On 2007-06-29, j...@wexfordpress.com wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Thanks
    > > I was looking for something more like a key sequence.
    > >Johnc.

    >
    > On Slack 10.1 (KDE Control Panel changes almost every rev), go to
    > KDEs Control Center:
    >
    > * Regional & Accessability > Keyboard Layout
    > * Enable keyboard layouts
    > * Add US English w/ deadkeys (us_intl)
    > * Apply
    >
    > You should now have little US flag icon in the right side of your tool
    > tray. Left click on flag and it should turn dark. Now, you can use
    > these designated dead keys:
    >
    > Hit ' before the letter and get acute accents, , , , etc.
    > Hit ^ " " " " " grave accents, , , , etc.
    >
    > If you click on flag again, it should go back to normal with no dead
    > keys or accents. Mine is not, remaning in dead key mode. This is
    > probably due to the slow corruption of one of my user accounts, a
    > problem I've yet to resolve. Try it on your box and see if it works
    > OK.
    >
    > nb


    That seems to work, in Vim and in Kmail. Thanks to all who answered.

    I use Slackware 11 KDE 3.54 and Kmail 1.9.4

    The keyboard selection is called intl, and not US-intl, but this is a
    minor difference. It works---mission accomplished (at the cost of
    typing space after every legitimate apostrophe or bactick.)

    John C.


  15. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:35:30 -0700, john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

    I trimmed a lot because that's just a sidenote

    > The keyboard selection is called intl, and not US-intl, but this is a
    > minor difference. It works---mission accomplished (at the cost of typing
    > space after every legitimate apostrophe or bactick.)


    that's the reason why I prefered the use of a 'Compose' key
    to the use of 'dead-keys', but I have to mention that's only
    because my main language, being french, is somewhat unreadable
    without properly set accents on the keywords ;-)
    Now, to type some code I simply use Eterm which is resisting to
    the X parms as a good old console should.

    I suppose that for people using english as a main language
    and not coding or posting to <> people (like
    ``german'' that'll be easier to use «dead-keys»

    Note: I typed the L&R frenchquotes
    (or guillemets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemets)
    very easily with 'Compose'+'<'+'<' («)
    and 'Compose'+'<'+'<' (»)
    I couldn't find those in 'dead-keys' when I tried this system
    but that doesn't mean it's not somewhere I haven't had time to check,
    I can see it's here on the mapped intl|--|US keyboard but the
    glove doesn't fit for my fr kb...


  16. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    On Jun 30, 2:18 pm, loki harfagr wrote:
    > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:40:46 +0200, Thomas Overgaard wrote:
    > > j...@wexfordpress.com wrote :

    >
    > >> How do I do it?

    >
    > > I guess your using KDE.

    >
    > It is probable but not necessary, I personally use Kmail as MUA
    > but I swapped KDE for Fluxbox a few years ago for many OT reasons :-)
    >
    > > If so start the "Control Center" and go to
    > > "Regional & Accessibility"|"keyboard Layout". Here choose "U.S. English"
    > > and set the "Layout variant" to "intl" or "alt-intl".

    >
    > I think this will use the deadkeys? In case you'd prefer
    > the 'Compose' way you can dedicate a key to this usage.
    >
    > To get the keycode, use 'xev' and type the key, for instance
    > I here test with the "leftWindow-key' which I never use in any
    > OS and always wondered what it was here for :-)
    >
    > # xev (then type the key)
    > ...
    > KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x3e00002,
    > root 0x1f8, subw 0x0, time 2109334233, (406,340), root407,365),
    > state 0x10, keycode 115 (keysym 0xff20, Multi_key), same_screen YES,
    >
    > The keycode then is 115, now use xmodmap to match the function:
    >
    > # xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = Multi_key"
    >
    > Now, typing Multi_key, ' , e
    > will give you the "e accent aig"
    > wich you'd use in the word "trma" like in
    > "aig avec un trma sur le u" ;-)
    >
    > Before doing all this first check that it's not already
    > activated in the dark:
    >
    > $ xmodmap -pke | grep Multi_
    > keycode 115 = Multi_key
    >
    > (
    > Note that it's possible that the previous settings of your
    > environment disabled the 'Compose key' usage, I'm not so sure
    > about where and how to set it back in most WM/DM but in KDE
    > it should be somewhere in the Xkb options in the
    > "Xkb options" pane of the page:
    > Control Center/Regional & Accessibility/keyboard Layout
    >
    > Which settings are what is quite unclear to me
    > the exercise to translate it to a logical language is left to
    > the next hermeneutics specialist that'lluse Slackware ;-)
    > )


    OK I backed up and created the multi key as Loki has suggested.
    When I enter

    xmodmap -pke | grep Multi_

    I get the new key code.

    Then I switched back to the us keyboard and the keycode disappeared.
    So I did it all again. Now it works in Gvim which is my principal
    editor. It also works in KDE. I like this method better than the intl
    keyboard which also worked.

    Just FYI the language for which I need to use an acute accent is
    Irish, but I felt mentioning that earlier might send people down false
    trails. Now I can type French as well. Marvelous!

    Thanks again to all who responded.

    John C.


  17. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    john@wexfordpress.com wrote:

    > Just FYI the language for which I need to use an acute accent is
    > Irish, but I felt mentioning that earlier might send people down false
    > trails. Now I can type French as well. Marvelous!
    >
    > Thanks again to all who responded.


    Just for information, I can't remember where I got it from but on my
    version of open office it has a Gaelic font set via KCharSelect, there is
    also this page which may be of some interest:
    http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/britlang/
    and this might be of further help:
    http://www.computing.dcu.ie/~mburke/
    --
    Two Ravens
    "...hit the squirrel..."

  18. Re: Typing French accents in Kmail

    john@wexfordpress.com :
    > On Jun 29, 4:36 pm, notbob wrote:


    >> Hit ' before the letter and get acute accents, ?, ?, ?, etc.
    >> Hit ^ " " " " " grave accents, ?, ?, ?, etc.
    >>
    >> If you click on flag again, it should go back to normal with no dead
    >> keys or accents. Mine is not, remaning in dead key mode. This is
    >> probably due to the slow corruption of one of my user accounts, a
    >> problem I've yet to resolve. Try it on your box and see if it works
    >> OK.

    >
    > That seems to work, in Vim and in Kmail. Thanks to all who answered.
    >
    > I use Slackware 11 KDE 3.54 and Kmail 1.9.4


    > The keyboard selection is called intl, and not US-intl, but this is a
    > minor difference. It works---mission accomplished (at the cost of
    > typing space after every legitimate apostrophe or bactick.)


    What about to try an option modifier in '/etc/X11/xorg.conf',
    something like

    <
    Section "InputDevice"
    ....
    option "XkbOptions" "compose:ralt"
    >?


    By this, everywhere in X, there is the same behaviour, so Right Alt-Key
    behaves as compose-key, and while the compose key is pressed, the accents
    become dead-keys and may graphically be mixed with other letters.

    I use 'Right Alt-Key' here, because on those thinkpads, there is a real
    space key, instead of a too small one, plus those new funny extra keys.
    I have no extra keys.

    Writing without X, I use the 'left-Alt num-pad key-code' method. But people,
    who get nervous easily, might run crazy because of this, so I hesitate, to
    ask others to try it:

    Shift-ScrollLock, Alt 2-2-4, Shift-ScrollLock --> voil__!

    (and since I do not remember all key-codes, in many cases it's just fun, to
    try to find the right one in the neighbourhood: pick the appropriate one
    from ... ... (i.e. 224...230).

    Compared to this, the compose-key method (so, switch to dead-key-behaviour,
    while compose-key is pressed) in X feels more kind of comfortable, but still
    a bit ennervating, as long as I was not used to it:
    right-alt-plus-left-shift-plus-double-quote ... vowel ... makes an umlaut.

    (and right-alt-'s'...'s' delivers the '|z'-, respectively 'sz'-letter, .)

    At least, there is no need for different key sequences in different
    environments below X.


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